Unfair Member Reviews... - Blu-ray Forum

Ashamed Pegasus · 01-30-2009, 04:37 PM

There needs to be some sort of minimum requirements in order for a BD.com member to post a review of a movie... Just because you disliked the movie does not justify giving the PQ, AQ, and extras a .5 rating... THIS movie in particular is one example, and you can see 2 of the 3 users don't even post on the forums... People who join just to give false reviews should be deleted, or atleast have their review deleted...

swingle007 · 01-30-2009, 04:41 PM

yeah, looks lke they hated the film, but was it really a 0.5 across the board on quality of picture, audio, etc.? I doubt it, but I'm not sure what the site can do about it really. It's supposed to be our opinions, but in instances like this it really seems ridiculous.....it's no different than someone dropping a 1 rating on one of the nicer galleries on the site just to mess someone's rating up.

Johnny Vinyl · 01-30-2009, 04:56 PM

I agree! Same goes for the ratings section on the HT Galleries. If a new member doesn't post....they shouldn't be allowed to offer opinion.

After all, forums are meant to enhance/encourage participation (regardless of opinion) on a subject for which we joined. Those who choose to become members just to stir the pot, because they think it's fun, should be weeded out.

As Blu-ray.com becomes more populated, that is a task not easily accomplished and the moderators/handlers/owners of the site need to incorporate more stringent (but not detrimental) parameters for participation.

How do you do that? I don't personally have an answer for that, but implementating newer basic guidelines might be something to look at. Although it will never be the panacea to this form of expression.

jw · 01-30-2009, 04:57 PM

lol, no offense but you picked a BADDDDDD movie to try and build a case with

Like you said these are user reviews and the purpose of that is to have users review movies and have an active role in the forum(whether they choose to be an active poster, movie reviewer or new comment guru). If we enact a policy to delete user reviews because someone doesnt agree with it, IS that fair? I don't think we should intimidate users from participating by having a delete review button if someone doesnt like it. If the scores are low, read the comments and if the review responses lack explantion for the low score, use your own judgement or start a thread asking others opinions

No if its offensive or promotes a users agenda other than the movie, it will be removed by the developers

Just rate it down if you dont agree

This is my two cents and no way reflects the views of anyone else on the forum

Beta Man · 01-30-2009, 04:58 PM

If more people review movies they've seen (I'm guilty of not providing reviews myself) then the large majority of "fair" reviews would make the hasty "angry" reviews less poignant.

One problem I've seen is the tendency for people who blind-bought a movie to give it a 0.5 for the movie itself, just because it wasn't a "Good" blind-buy..... You may not like the movie THAT MUCH, but it is probably RARELY a 0.5 to that person..... heck, the chances of blind buying a 0.5 (if you've read a review etc) are probably pretty rare..... you would have to not even read the back of the box!!!!!

Sussudio · 01-30-2009, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwbbud

lol, no offense but you picked a BADDDDDD movie to try and build a case with

Like you said these are user reviews and the purpose of that is to have users review movies and have an active role in the forum(whether they choose to be an active poster, movie reviewer or new comment guru). If we enact a policy to delete user reviews because someone doesnt agree with it, IS that fair? I don't think we should intimidate users from participating by having a delete review button if someone doesnt like it. If the scores are low, read the comments and if the review responses lack explantion for the low score, use your own judgement or start a thread asking others opinions

No if its offensive or promotes a users agenda other than the movie, it will be removed by the developers

Just rate it down if you dont agree

This is my two cents and no way reflects the views of anyone else on the forum

ha nice disclaimer

i have to concur, as the point of user reviews is for members to express their own opinions of a movie. it would be detrimental to the point of user reviews if this site started to delete the ones they didn't feel were beneficial, therefore taking away the entire idea of allowing users to freely express themselves in the first place. obviously those user reviews that don't have any comments to back up their ratings you should take with a grain of salt and/or completely disregard if you so choose.

Marine Mike · 01-30-2009, 05:09 PM

Also, on where the user review is posted, it states if they are a 'New Member' or not. Even someone not familiar with Blu-ray.com would know that they are 'New Members' and can make a consicious decision to let that affect their opinion.

Johnny Vinyl · 01-30-2009, 05:16 PM

Despite the fact I agree with the TS, the other posts after mine described very valid points as well. This is where the complexity of the matter comes into play. I suppose you either open up it up for all or close down the option.

I liked what BetaMan said: If more people review movies they've seen (I'm guilty of not providing reviews myself) then the large majority of "fair" reviews would make the hasty "angry" reviews less poignant. I am guilty of that myself.

In defense of the TS, I know it's annoying to read reviews from people who just drive down the pipeline, but contribute nothing of value to the community.

Maybe I should post my review of "In The Name of The King"? Maybe not, because there aren't enough "choice" words I have for that waste of celluloid!

John

jw · 01-30-2009, 05:21 PM

Also its just like feedback or customer service hotlines, They are generally only used when you are displeased with something, you never just call to say, Great Job!!!.....seems to be alot with the reviews as well

Bullseye · 01-30-2009, 05:25 PM

The rating on Fight Club is ludicrous

When you take account of Pretty Womans review

Another_Dude · 01-30-2009, 06:08 PM

The problem I'm seeing are the score averages at the top of the screen. I'd rather not have to read through all of the reviews and see how many of them were tripe and weigh that against the combined score.

I haven't seen that title but have heard those scores for the actual movie may be accurate. It does seem wrong to rip the PQ and AQ because they are in a bad movie though.

It would be great if once the other users have rated a reviewer's comments down to the max that their score is removed from the total.

Ashamed Pegasus · 01-30-2009, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwbbud

lol, no offense but you picked a BADDDDDD movie to try and build a case with

It was a perfect example of how people give a really bad movie the lowest possible rating across the board... They're not rating the movies based on the picture and audio but rather what they think of the movie... I've also noticed some movies that come as a 2-disc set and the reviewers give it a poor rating for the extras, which in some cases they probably rented it and did not see the extras which were on disc 2...

jono_0101 · 01-30-2009, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashamed Pegasus

It was a perfect example of how people give a really bad movie the lowest possible rating across the board... They're not rating the movies based on the picture and audio but rather what they think of the movie... I've also noticed some movies that come as a 2-disc set and the reviewers give it a poor rating for the extras, which in some cases they probably rented it and did not see the extras which were on disc 2...

it was a good example, and while it was a terrible movie as far as content, i havent seen it on BD, but i hardly think that this, or ANY movie for that matter, shot in the last few years would come close to legitimatly registering a .5 on PQ and AQ, but if you are looking at the review as a way to help decide if its worth a purchase or not, you can tell which ones are real, fair reviews and which ones are the "angry" reviews, and you can just disregard the "angry" ones, thats what i do at least

Blu Man · 02-01-2009, 01:13 AM

Why do you care how they rate a movie? It doesn't affect you.

CasualKiller · 02-01-2009, 02:45 AM

I see no problem here, the review is overly generous in my opinion..

Great PQ and AQ on crap is still crap.

Ozz · 02-01-2009, 04:33 AM

Greetings,
Reviewing a movie if it is good or bad on a personal viewing is one thing, but give reasons why it was good or bad based on what you had seen. Reviewing audio and picture quality is another ball of wax all together. Was the picture quality based on eyeballing the monitor's video setup or calibrated proper either by an ISF tech or with a meter and software or even test patterns with a filter? Was the sound review done through a htib with 2in drivers or tv speakers, or was it done with a proper system and calibrated? As well as being a member with a min amount of posts, maybe reviewers should be forced to have pictures in the gallery with a list of components in their system and how they were calibrated so there could be some merit to AQ and PQ ratings.

xander · 02-01-2009, 03:32 PM

I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist, but let's be honest, we have a seriously disproportionate number of "New Member" reviews for a lot of films, and I'm talking more about the league of New Members that crop up to praise a particular film/transfer, never to be heard from again. That said, like JW mentioned, the smart thing is to take those with a grain of salt and you can usually find a consensus among the rest.

squall_line · 02-25-2009, 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Another_Dude

The problem I'm seeing are the score averages at the top of the screen. I'd rather not have to read through all of the reviews and see how many of them were tripe and weigh that against the combined score.

I haven't seen that title but have heard those scores for the actual movie may be accurate. It does seem wrong to rip the PQ and AQ because they are in a bad movie though.

It would be great if once the other users have rated a reviewer's comments down to the max that their score is removed from the total.

To expand on this, since you can choose from the pull-down "reviews with popularity xx% or better", it would be nice if the system would re-calculate the averages based on that pull-down, in addition to hiding the less popular reviews.

The "+ / -" ranking should provide enough oversight and "community policing" to weed out intentionally unfair reviews, and upgrading a functionality that already exists (re-calculating the scores in addition to hiding the unpopular reviews) would be a good addition, IMHO.

Another_Dude, did I come close to what you were getting at?

proxpilot · 02-26-2009, 12:36 AM

I thought the Movie was terrible, but the PQ looked pretty good. I know the girls did.

(o)(o)

Variable · 02-26-2009, 12:57 AM

well the problem here is similar to one I was talking to friends about with netflix last night. people regularly rate a movie 1 star because they, for example, received a scratched disc. this makes the review useless.

but for as much as that bothers me, about equal to giving a movie bad aq/pq ratings due to it being a bad movie, the most we can ask for is the ability to rate the review. and we have that.

01-30-2009, 04:37 PM	#1
Ashamed Pegasus Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Baltimore, MD 4K collection:8 Blu-ray collection:472 Digital collection:305 Blu-ray reviews: 5 Trading Score:192	Unfair Member Reviews... There needs to be some sort of minimum requirements in order for a BD.com member to post a review of a movie... Just because you disliked the movie does not justify giving the PQ, AQ, and extras a .5 rating... THIS movie in particular is one example, and you can see 2 of the 3 users don't even post on the forums... People who join just to give false reviews should be deleted, or atleast have their review deleted...

01-30-2009, 04:41 PM	#2
swingle007 Senior Member Member since:Oct 2008 Location:Kingwood, Tx. Home Theater Gallery:34 Blu-ray collection:41 Trading Score:17	yeah, looks lke they hated the film, but was it really a 0.5 across the board on quality of picture, audio, etc.? I doubt it, but I'm not sure what the site can do about it really. It's supposed to be our opinions, but in instances like this it really seems ridiculous.....it's no different than someone dropping a 1 rating on one of the nicer galleries on the site just to mess someone's rating up. Last edited by swingle007; 01-30-2009 at 05:22 PM.

02-01-2009, 02:45 AM	#15
CasualKiller Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Feb 2008 Location:Brooks Alberta Blu-ray collection:54 Trading Score:15	I see no problem here, the review is overly generous in my opinion.. Great PQ and AQ on crap is still crap. Last edited by CasualKiller; 02-01-2009 at 02:47 AM.

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01-30-2009, 04:56 PM	#3
Johnny Vinyl Moderator Top ranked HT gallery Top contributor Member since:Jul 2007 Location:At the crossroad of Analogue Dr & 2CH Ave Home Theater Gallery:19 Blu-ray collection:205 DVD collection:7 Blu-ray reviews:3 Trading Score:8	I agree! Same goes for the ratings section on the HT Galleries. If a new member doesn't post....they shouldn't be allowed to offer opinion. After all, forums are meant to enhance/encourage participation (regardless of opinion) on a subject for which we joined. Those who choose to become members just to stir the pot, because they think it's fun, should be weeded out. As Blu-ray.com becomes more populated, that is a task not easily accomplished and the moderators/handlers/owners of the site need to incorporate more stringent (but not detrimental) parameters for participation. How do you do that? I don't personally have an answer for that, but implementating newer basic guidelines might be something to look at. Although it will never be the panacea to this form of expression.

01-30-2009, 04:57 PM	#4
jw Blu-ray Archduke Top contributor Member since:Apr 2007 Location:USA Trading Score:519	lol, no offense but you picked a BADDDDDD movie to try and build a case with Like you said these are user reviews and the purpose of that is to have users review movies and have an active role in the forum(whether they choose to be an active poster, movie reviewer or new comment guru). If we enact a policy to delete user reviews because someone doesnt agree with it, IS that fair? I don't think we should intimidate users from participating by having a delete review button if someone doesnt like it. If the scores are low, read the comments and if the review responses lack explantion for the low score, use your own judgement or start a thread asking others opinions No if its offensive or promotes a users agenda other than the movie, it will be removed by the developers Just rate it down if you dont agree This is my two cents and no way reflects the views of anyone else on the forum

01-30-2009, 04:58 PM	#5
Beta Man Moderator Top contributor Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Juuuuuuuust A Bit Outside.... Home Theater Gallery:4 Blu-ray collection:268 Blu-ray reviews: 18 Trading Score:25	If more people review movies they've seen (I'm guilty of not providing reviews myself) then the large majority of "fair" reviews would make the hasty "angry" reviews less poignant. One problem I've seen is the tendency for people who blind-bought a movie to give it a 0.5 for the movie itself, just because it wasn't a "Good" blind-buy..... You may not like the movie THAT MUCH, but it is probably RARELY a 0.5 to that person..... heck, the chances of blind buying a 0.5 (if you've read a review etc) are probably pretty rare..... you would have to not even read the back of the box!!!!!

01-30-2009, 05:09 PM	#7
Marine Mike The Busey Member since:Apr 2008 Location:Ohio Home Theater Gallery:10 Blu-ray collection:120 Blu-ray reviews:4 Trading Score:4	Also, on where the user review is posted, it states if they are a 'New Member' or not. Even someone not familiar with Blu-ray.com would know that they are 'New Members' and can make a consicious decision to let that affect their opinion.

01-30-2009, 05:16 PM	#8
Johnny Vinyl Moderator Top ranked HT gallery Top contributor Member since:Jul 2007 Location:At the crossroad of Analogue Dr & 2CH Ave Home Theater Gallery:19 Blu-ray collection:205 DVD collection:7 Blu-ray reviews:3 Trading Score:8	Despite the fact I agree with the TS, the other posts after mine described very valid points as well. This is where the complexity of the matter comes into play. I suppose you either open up it up for all or close down the option. I liked what BetaMan said: If more people review movies they've seen (I'm guilty of not providing reviews myself) then the large majority of "fair" reviews would make the hasty "angry" reviews less poignant. I am guilty of that myself. In defense of the TS, I know it's annoying to read reviews from people who just drive down the pipeline, but contribute nothing of value to the community. Maybe I should post my review of "In The Name of The King"? Maybe not, because there aren't enough "choice" words I have for that waste of celluloid! John

01-30-2009, 05:21 PM	#9
jw Blu-ray Archduke Top contributor Member since:Apr 2007 Location:USA Trading Score:519	Also its just like feedback or customer service hotlines, They are generally only used when you are displeased with something, you never just call to say, Great Job!!!.....seems to be alot with the reviews as well

01-30-2009, 05:25 PM	#10
Bullseye Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Sep 2006 Location:Ireland Home Theater Gallery:24 4K collection:70 Blu-ray collection:760 Blu-ray reviews: 44	The rating on Fight Club is ludicrous When you take account of Pretty Womans review

01-30-2009, 06:08 PM	#11
Another_Dude Blu-ray Guru Member since:Dec 2008 Blu-ray collection:191 Blu-ray reviews:8	The problem I'm seeing are the score averages at the top of the screen. I'd rather not have to read through all of the reviews and see how many of them were tripe and weigh that against the combined score. I haven't seen that title but have heard those scores for the actual movie may be accurate. It does seem wrong to rip the PQ and AQ because they are in a bad movie though. It would be great if once the other users have rated a reviewer's comments down to the max that their score is removed from the total.

02-01-2009, 01:13 AM	#14
Blu Man Banned Member since:Sep 2008 Location:United States Blu-ray collection:19 Blu-ray reviews:1	Why do you care how they rate a movie? It doesn't affect you.

02-01-2009, 04:33 AM	#16
Ozz Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Surrey, BC. Canada Home Theater Gallery:13	Greetings, Reviewing a movie if it is good or bad on a personal viewing is one thing, but give reasons why it was good or bad based on what you had seen. Reviewing audio and picture quality is another ball of wax all together. Was the picture quality based on eyeballing the monitor's video setup or calibrated proper either by an ISF tech or with a meter and software or even test patterns with a filter? Was the sound review done through a htib with 2in drivers or tv speakers, or was it done with a proper system and calibrated? As well as being a member with a min amount of posts, maybe reviewers should be forced to have pictures in the gallery with a list of components in their system and how they were calibrated so there could be some merit to AQ and PQ ratings.

02-01-2009, 03:32 PM	#17
xander Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:May 2008 Location:Just Outside of the Alliance's Reach 4K collection:1 Blu-ray collection:720 iTunes collection:1 Blu-ray reviews:4 Trading Score:4	I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist, but let's be honest, we have a seriously disproportionate number of "New Member" reviews for a lot of films, and I'm talking more about the league of New Members that crop up to praise a particular film/transfer, never to be heard from again. That said, like JW mentioned, the smart thing is to take those with a grain of salt and you can usually find a consensus among the rest.

02-26-2009, 12:36 AM	#19
proxpilot Special Member Member since:Jan 2009 Location:High Point, North Carolina Home Theater Gallery:2 Blu-ray collection:108 Trading Score:1	I thought the Movie was terrible, but the PQ looked pretty good. I know the girls did. (o)(o)

02-26-2009, 12:57 AM	#20
Variable Special Member Member since:Mar 2008 Location:Northern New Jersey Blu-ray collection:12	well the problem here is similar to one I was talking to friends about with netflix last night. people regularly rate a movie 1 star because they, for example, received a scratched disc. this makes the review useless. but for as much as that bothers me, about equal to giving a movie bad aq/pq ratings due to it being a bad movie, the most we can ask for is the ability to rate the review. and we have that.

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