What's keeping Blu-ray recorders form the market

[wiyosaya]

Interesting opinion article that I think is worth a read.

It might be worth taking the suggestion of writing the Obama administration on this...

[Blacklac]

Originally Posted by wiyosaya

It might be worth taking the suggestion of writing the Obama administration on this...

Yeah, that's all we need...

If you want things produced or brought to market, LET THE PRODUCERS KNOW THERE IS A MARKET FOR SUCH PRODUCTS.

[Blu-ray Fanatic]

What's keeping blu-ray recorders from the market? Simple answer: Piracy

[john_1958]

I've been asking that for a few years now where are they ?`

[wiyosaya]

Originally Posted by Blacklac

Yeah, that's all we need...

If you want things produced or brought to market, LET THE PRODUCERS KNOW THERE IS A MARKET FOR SUCH PRODUCTS.

They already know.

Originally Posted by Blu-ray Fanatic

What's keeping blu-ray recorders from the market? Simple answer: Piracy

Sorry, but I beg to differ, and I think that is a "cop-out" answer. Fair use was made law by the supreme court in the US in the mid 1980's. Without it, there would not have been VCRs; they would have been playback only devices. Interestingly enough, Sony led the cause; however, now they are a content provider, too, and have reason not to release stand-alone recording devices.

In the digital world, there are many available schemes to enable limited copying for legitimate use.

What is keeping the technology from the US market now? Try the DCMA, if anything. Basically, the DCMA says that industry has a right to do almost anything necessary to prevent copying, essentially overruling fair use laws. In every sense of the word, many people, not only myself, see it as draconian. It is another case where big business has been allowed by legislators to shoot themselves in the foot at the expense of adoption of technology by a larger number of people.

[DavidAg02]

Is there really a market for Blu-ray recorders?

Until HDTV is the mainstream standard, I see no real reason to produce one. As enthusiasts, we often forget that a very small percentage of people across the country are viewing HD television on a regular basis. Most are still watching standard def channels through cable or even over the air. Until that changes, I see no viable reason for companies to spend R&D dollars to produce a recorder that will only be necessary to such a small percentage of the population.

[shooter3295]

The Hollywood lobby is very large,....and very effective. Money and a captive audience is what is keeping recorders from the US,....not than many could afford them in today's economy anyway.

[wiyosaya]

Originally Posted by DavidAg02

Is there really a market for Blu-ray recorders?

Until HDTV is the mainstream standard, I see no real reason to produce one. As enthusiasts, we often forget that a very small percentage of people across the country are viewing HD television on a regular basis. Most are still watching standard def channels through cable or even over the air. Until that changes, I see no viable reason for companies to spend R&D dollars to produce a recorder that will only be necessary to such a small percentage of the population.

If you base the answer to your question to the market for BR recorders in Japan, the answer is yes. In Japan, there are no "players" per se. All stand-alone BR units have recording capability, and a recent news item that appeared around Dec. '08 said that the number of BR recorders sold has surpassed the sales of DVD recorders in Japan.

Also, I do not see it as a matter of some company needing to spend big R&D dollars on a recorder for the US market. The recorders that are sold in Japan could be relatively easily adapted to the US market. IMHO, the two things needed would be an ATSC tuner, instead of the Japanese HD tuner, and an HDMI input instead of a FireWire input. These are "front-end" features that could be relatively easily swapped out for any region that needed different tuners and input means. Sony did display a prototype BR recorder at CES in Jan. '09. Its main claim to fame was that it would accept input from HD camcorders. If Sony would have included the HDMI input, IMHO, it would be production ready.

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by Blu-ray Fanatic

What's keeping blu-ray recorders from the market? Simple answer: Piracy

BLU-RAY has BD+ renewable copy protection that keeps the format secure. People that pirate DVD's or attempt to pirate BLU-RAY discs use computer DVD recorders and BLU-RAY recorders for the computer with special software if they are going to attempt piracy. Pirates are not interested in standalone recorders. For example the discontinued D-theater D-VHS format that has 1080I pre-recorded movies will not allow consumers to make a perfect backup copies with two standalone D-VHS machines due to copy protection. If one was to connect two D-VHS machines using IEEE-1394 interface and hit record the D-VHS machine would pop up a message that says the program is copy protected and recordings are not allowed when a prerecorded movie is trying to be copied. Only non copy protected programs from TV or other video sources are allowed to be recorded with standalone D-VHS recorders. Under the 5C copy protection system some programs on TV are marked as copy never, copy once, copy always, etc. It depends on the program provider. BLU-RAY standalone recorders could use the same system as D-VHS.

Hollywood Studios need to be worried about computer based optical recorders when it comes to piracy. I am against piracy but there are consumers out there that make 480I quality perfect dual layer bit for bit copies of DVD movies on their PC's in a few minutes for under 80 cents for friends and relatives. At least BD+ with renewable security is keeping consumers honest that own a under $300 BLU-RAY recorder on the PC.

[vamsilak]

seems like when we compare to dvd technology to bluray
dvd technology took over vhs very fast an d rapid way that including standalone recorders

bluray is taking a bit more time
I think the various reasons
1) economy
2) most people felt like they didn't see that much difference between up converted and vluray
3)30% of people got excited when they introduced dvd coz its a new technology and jumped into it and they bought the dvd blanks for 10.00 apiece singlelayer burners 400.00
4)sony doesn't want to get burned again ... yes again they burn their butt back in svhs era
5)people realize even though its not the same tecnology(dvd and bluray) its same platform...discsand people knew eventually it came down

but bluray rocks
i know i know we said the samething when they released dvd
thats the good part of it who can adopt early and appreciate by buying wisely

[JadedRaverLA]

The piracy argument is mostly a red-herring. DVD recorders and DVRs are everywhere in the U.S. And Blu-ray recorders are readily available in other regions. It's not like Americans are the only ones involved in piracy.

The BIG issue in the US is that we've been dragging our feet forever on coming up with a standard that will allow bi-directional encrypted digital cable signals to be sent to the device of a customer's choosing: including potentially a BD recorder.

We are finally getting Tru2Way rolled out among cable companies now, and Panasonic has launched the first HDTVs with Tru2Way cable card capability. Many more devices should be out over the next year out for consumers that want to own their own equipment, rather than being forced to lease everything from their cable co. Given that Panasonic, Sony, and Samsung are all Tru2Way licensees, I would imagine at least one will have a BD recorder out this year in the U.S.

Of course, they could have released BD recorders that featured ATSC/ClearQAM tuners already, but the market for such devices would be incredibly small. The vast majority of Americans with HDTVs and high end home theatres that would have an interest in expensive BD recorders get the majority of their TV programming from either cable or satellite.

Anyway, don't worry too much: they are definitely coming... just not as soon as some would like.

[Blu-Boy in BKK]

What's keeping Blu-ray recorders form the market

[vamsilak]

when does the first dvd recorder introduced to the consumer?
and i know dvd introduced in 2000 i hope iam right
please correct me
Thankyou guys
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