Look at these ads - Blu-ray Forum

bruce · 05-20-2007, 09:58 AM

Toshiba has sent all new displays to Best Buys, now it looks like they are paying both for ad space and to make BR look bad, look at this ad from BB with HD DVD and BR on the same page-

now at least Circuit kept them on different pages-

Guinness7 · 05-20-2007, 12:47 PM

This has been the first time i have seen CC use a whole page just for blu-ray, but i have seen that they put both formats on the same page before because a lot of places still lump hd dvd and blu-ray together even thought they are different.

The Don · 05-20-2007, 06:01 PM

Sears is running a promotion where the Samsung BD player is 699.99 on sale and you knock off another 300 bucks if you purchase a Samsung 1080p TV

pretty sweet deal..

The Don · 05-20-2007, 06:05 PM

also....it feels like HDDVD is pretty much giving their movies and players away...

you get another 2 free HDDVD's when you purchase the Matrix collection...

that's 7.....there's about 7 movies max that I'd want...

Troy
Batman Begins
and I forget the others...but they are trying....I'll give them that...

hopefully people who decide to make a purchase are willing to go to blu-ray.com /hddvd.com and see for themselves which is the smarter buy..

cooper1010 · 05-20-2007, 06:13 PM

it's interesting that both players in the BB ad have $100 savings attached, but the Samsung's price is listed as 799 (before the $100 savings) and the Toshiba is listed at 299 (after the $100 savings)

jubaiweaponx · 05-20-2007, 06:32 PM

yeah i posted about this in another thread too BB pushing 2 movies xtra w/purchase of matrix and player ...oh when will my amazon order arrive with POTC already lol!!!!

AlaskaDon · 05-20-2007, 07:00 PM

I was watching Jaws on Universal HD yesterday, and every few minutes you had to watch an ad for HD-DVD, or Toshiba, or some title available on HD-DVD. It was really annoying, especially to a Blu-ray supporter. Toshiba seems to really have kicked up the ad campaign.

blublublu · 05-20-2007, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bruce

Toshiba has sent all new displays to Best Buys, now it looks like they are paying both for ad space and to make BR look bad

Like it or not, price is one factor that consumers are going to use to pick a format.

With the $100 off, and some of the other disc promotions that Toshiba has going on, the deals on HD DVD are pretty tempting, and these face-to-face ads really show what a wide price gap is there today.

Mystique · 05-20-2007, 07:18 PM

DAMN HDDVD players are so cheap compared to Blu-ray players.

Helicon · 05-20-2007, 07:22 PM

If I knew nothing about HD-DVD and Blu-ray I would probably buy an HD-DVD player....

blublublu · 05-20-2007, 07:23 PM

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http://www.homemediaretailing.com/ne...ticle_id=10665

HDTV1080P · 05-20-2007, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blublublu

Like it or not, price is one factor that consumers are going to use to pick a format.

With the $100 off, and some of the other disc promotions that Toshiba has going on, the deals on HD DVD are pretty tempting, and these face-to-face ads really show what a wide price gap is there today.

Good points.

I was thinking if Toshiba can get the player prices down to under $200 or under $100 they could sale million of players with limited titles to play on. I am hoping that Disney and Fox stay with Sony and remain exclusive which they most likely will. This format war is very interesting. The higher priced BLU-RAY players are not really an issue for people that paid $3000 or more on their HDTV display. It’s mostly people buying the 30 inch Sanyo CRT Widescreen HDTV TV’s at Walmart for $399 that are interested in a $299 Toshiba HD-DVD player.

dgator783 · 05-20-2007, 07:54 PM

did anyone notice on the add that the HD DVD player is listed only at 1080i while the blu ray is listed as 1080p.....I laugh at u HD DVD...mwhaahhaah! I saw it in my paper this mornign and thought it was funny....too bad the average consumer has really no idea what the hell those numbers actually mean or what the 'i' or 'p' stand for.....

KingDeezie · 05-20-2007, 08:06 PM

This could be dangerous....

Its not always the better format that wins...

If HD-DVD takes over because its cheaper...I am going to be pissed...

The Don · 05-20-2007, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingDeezie

This could be dangerous....

Its not always the better format that wins...

If HD-DVD takes over because its cheaper...I am going to be pissed...

bluray doesn't have to come down in price yet....and I expect a price cut to follow sometime mid-summer...

Greenmatiz2 · 05-20-2007, 08:28 PM

It'll soon get to the point where I don't care.

If Sony wants to sit on its ass and keep player prices high, and loses as a result, I'll be able to pick up an HD-DVD player really cheap, and I'll still have the PS3 to play games with.

If HD-DVD loses, then the HD-DVD people have a brick that plays a few movies.

That is the REAL advantage to owning any of these units.

Nismobeach · 05-20-2007, 08:46 PM

The HD-DVD group just raised the ante so now the BDA must do the same. The only reason why the BDA hasn't cut prices is because they feel they don't have to.

The BDA needs to TKO HD-DVD ASAP.

HDTV1080P · 05-20-2007, 08:47 PM

I wish every consumer electronics manufactory that is making BLU-RAY players would make two different models. The ideal situation would be each company release a high-end quality BLU-RAY player for $1,000+ and at the same time have a lower quality BLU-RAY player for under $500 for the general population.
Then consumers could choose between a high-end BLU-RAY player and a lower average quality BLU-RAY player. Personally I would purchase one or two $1,000+ BLU-RAY players for the main home theater room areas and then I would purchase several under $500 BLU-RAY players to replace all of my DVD players. If everything goes to schedule there will be two Sony BLU-RAY players this year. The Sony BDP-S300 and the high end BDP-S500. Hopefully other BLU-RAY manufactories will do something similar. Toshiba has 3 different models to choose from in the HD-DVD camp.

Fozziwig · 05-20-2007, 08:57 PM

I believe that the concerns of Fox & Disney when it came to HD DVD were poor content protection and lack of region coding.

HD DVD can add region coding but the players that are already out there are region free and won't be effected by future region coding efforts.

So Sony, Fox and Disney can be counted as no way, not ever, when it comes to HD DVD.

Let's say you are an innocent consumer and you buy a cheap HD DVD player. At some point it is possible you might want to buy a HD movie that is Blu-ray exclusive. What happens next?

1) The salesperson lies and says that all studios will soon release on HD DVD (this has reportedly happened already). Even then you will eventually realise the seller is a lying scumbag.

2) The customer realises that a large number of titles are not available to him, gets pissed off and demands a refund.

3) The customer buys a BD player to go with the HD DVD player.

4) The customer settles for the HD DVD catalogue and decides upscaling SD DVD is good enough for other titles - in which case he then decides there's no point spending money on either HD format.

At some point the shit is going to hit the fan. Whatever you think about the quality of the actual films is not important here. What is important is that a large number of BIG titles will not be available to the HD DVD bargain hunter.

These include:

Casino Royale (and all future Bond releases on HD)
Spider-man trilogy
Pirates Trilogy
Simpsons Movie
Die Hard Quadrilogy
Alien Quadrilogy
Night At The Museum
Anything from Walt Disney
Anything from Pixars
Star Wars (you never know!)

And a load more I'm sure you can all think of.

I'm sorry, but these HD DVD giveaway ads are actually great for Blu-ray because it exposes HD DVD's ultimate weakness. Studio support. Seriously, does anyone think that Toshiba are remotely happy that in order to compete they have to effectively give products away? This is desperation on a truly grand scale. One equivalent would be Toshiba selling $50 SD DVD players in 1998.

Sure, the neutrals can put a few decent titles together to shore up the facade but one day somebody is going to take a look behind the curtain to see Craig Kornblau screaming "Ignore that man behind the curtain - we have excellent studio support I tell ya!"

Universal, Toshiba and those zany 'neutrals' are just pissing in the wind. Be not afraid, Blu-ray will rule this Christmas (even more than it already is).

Greenmatiz2 · 05-20-2007, 09:06 PM

I fully disagree. The Best Buy and CompUSA ads are a tragedy. They absolutely scare the general consumer away from buying BR anytime soon. Just look at those high prices -- ON SALE, BUT STILL 2 to 3 TIMES HIGHER THAN HD-DVD players.

I wrote/produced TV commercials for nearly a decade (in another life). The general consumer buying at Best Buy is dumb, and they think price.

They will see that it is a high definition movie player, is far less expensive than BR, and that they get several disks for buying a few with the player. They will see a wall of BR disks, and HD-DVD disks and think:

"Oh, the store must not have those movies in the blue boxes in the white boxes yet, but they will soon. They're probably sold out of the white boxes because the players cost half as much."

The consumer will buy the HD-DVD player.

I think many of us expected Sony not to counter with low-priced players (no, going from $1,200 to $600 does not equal low-priced players), and many of us feared they would lose the war due to hubris. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy that we all feared from the get-go, whether we admit it or not.

Now is the time for BR to get off of its big blue butt and do something before they lose this war.

Pimping a few Pirates disks as being "exclusive" is not going to do it.

Hubris.

That Best Buy ad hardly points out the "advantages of blu-ray".

It is a tragedy.

05-20-2007, 09:58 AM	#1
bruce Banned Member since:Oct 2006	Look at these ads Toshiba has sent all new displays to Best Buys, now it looks like they are paying both for ad space and to make BR look bad, look at this ad from BB with HD DVD and BR on the same page- now at least Circuit kept them on different pages-

05-20-2007, 06:32 PM	#6
jubaiweaponx Special Member Member since:Mar 2007 Location:collingdale,pa Blu-ray collection:304	indeed yeah i posted about this in another thread too BB pushing 2 movies xtra w/purchase of matrix and player ...oh when will my amazon order arrive with POTC already lol!!!!

05-20-2007, 08:47 PM	#18
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	I wish every consumer electronics manufactory that is making BLU-RAY players would make two different models. The ideal situation would be each company release a high-end quality BLU-RAY player for $1,000+ and at the same time have a lower quality BLU-RAY player for under $500 for the general population. Then consumers could choose between a high-end BLU-RAY player and a lower average quality BLU-RAY player. Personally I would purchase one or two $1,000+ BLU-RAY players for the main home theater room areas and then I would purchase several under $500 BLU-RAY players to replace all of my DVD players. If everything goes to schedule there will be two Sony BLU-RAY players this year. The Sony BDP-S300 and the high end BDP-S500. Hopefully other BLU-RAY manufactories will do something similar. Toshiba has 3 different models to choose from in the HD-DVD camp. Last edited by HDTV1080P; 05-20-2007 at 08:51 PM.

05-20-2007, 09:06 PM	#20
Greenmatiz2 Banned Member since:Apr 2007	I fully disagree. The Best Buy and CompUSA ads are a tragedy. They absolutely scare the general consumer away from buying BR anytime soon. Just look at those high prices -- ON SALE, BUT STILL 2 to 3 TIMES HIGHER THAN HD-DVD players. I wrote/produced TV commercials for nearly a decade (in another life). The general consumer buying at Best Buy is dumb, and they think price. They will see that it is a high definition movie player, is far less expensive than BR, and that they get several disks for buying a few with the player. They will see a wall of BR disks, and HD-DVD disks and think: "Oh, the store must not have those movies in the blue boxes in the white boxes yet, but they will soon. They're probably sold out of the white boxes because the players cost half as much." The consumer will buy the HD-DVD player. I think many of us expected Sony not to counter with low-priced players (no, going from $1,200 to $600 does not equal low-priced players), and many of us feared they would lose the war due to hubris. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy that we all feared from the get-go, whether we admit it or not. Now is the time for BR to get off of its big blue butt and do something before they lose this war. Pimping a few Pirates disks as being "exclusive" is not going to do it. Hubris. That Best Buy ad hardly points out the "advantages of blu-ray". It is a tragedy. Last edited by Greenmatiz2; 05-20-2007 at 09:14 PM.

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05-20-2007, 12:47 PM	#2
Guinness7 Power Member Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Location:NJ Blu-ray collection:259 Trading Score:59	This has been the first time i have seen CC use a whole page just for blu-ray, but i have seen that they put both formats on the same page before because a lot of places still lump hd dvd and blu-ray together even thought they are different.

05-20-2007, 06:01 PM	#3
The Don Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Apr 2006 Blu-ray reviews:12 Trading Score:2	Sears is running a promotion where the Samsung BD player is 699.99 on sale and you knock off another 300 bucks if you purchase a Samsung 1080p TV pretty sweet deal..

05-20-2007, 06:05 PM	#4
The Don Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Apr 2006 Blu-ray reviews:12 Trading Score:2	also....it feels like HDDVD is pretty much giving their movies and players away... you get another 2 free HDDVD's when you purchase the Matrix collection... that's 7.....there's about 7 movies max that I'd want... Troy Batman Begins and I forget the others...but they are trying....I'll give them that... hopefully people who decide to make a purchase are willing to go to blu-ray.com /hddvd.com and see for themselves which is the smarter buy..

05-20-2007, 06:13 PM	#5
cooper1010 Member Member since:Apr 2007	it's interesting that both players in the BB ad have $100 savings attached, but the Samsung's price is listed as 799 (before the $100 savings) and the Toshiba is listed at 299 (after the $100 savings)

05-20-2007, 07:00 PM	#7
AlaskaDon Special Member Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Tennessee Blu-ray collection:-	I was watching Jaws on Universal HD yesterday, and every few minutes you had to watch an ad for HD-DVD, or Toshiba, or some title available on HD-DVD. It was really annoying, especially to a Blu-ray supporter. Toshiba seems to really have kicked up the ad campaign.

05-20-2007, 07:18 PM	#9
Mystique Expert Member Member since:Apr 2007 Location:Newark, CA Blu-ray collection:240 Blu-ray reviews:5 Trading Score:1	DAMN HDDVD players are so cheap compared to Blu-ray players.

05-20-2007, 07:22 PM	#10
Helicon Active Member Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Denmark	If I knew nothing about HD-DVD and Blu-ray I would probably buy an HD-DVD player....

05-20-2007, 07:23 PM	#11
blublublu Banned Member since:Jan 2007	See also this article: http://www.homemediaretailing.com/ne...ticle_id=10665

05-20-2007, 07:54 PM	#13
dgator783 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Feb 2007 Location:Lakeland,FL 4K collection:377 Blu-ray collection:1521 Blu-ray reviews:11 Trading Score:14	did anyone notice on the add that the HD DVD player is listed only at 1080i while the blu ray is listed as 1080p.....I laugh at u HD DVD...mwhaahhaah! I saw it in my paper this mornign and thought it was funny....too bad the average consumer has really no idea what the hell those numbers actually mean or what the 'i' or 'p' stand for.....

05-20-2007, 08:06 PM	#14
KingDeezie Active Member Member since:Mar 2007	This could be dangerous.... Its not always the better format that wins... If HD-DVD takes over because its cheaper...I am going to be pissed...

05-20-2007, 08:28 PM	#16
Greenmatiz2 Banned Member since:Apr 2007	It'll soon get to the point where I don't care. If Sony wants to sit on its ass and keep player prices high, and loses as a result, I'll be able to pick up an HD-DVD player really cheap, and I'll still have the PS3 to play games with. If HD-DVD loses, then the HD-DVD people have a brick that plays a few movies. That is the REAL advantage to owning any of these units.

05-20-2007, 08:46 PM	#17
Nismobeach Senior Member Member since:Dec 2006	The HD-DVD group just raised the ante so now the BDA must do the same. The only reason why the BDA hasn't cut prices is because they feel they don't have to. The BDA needs to TKO HD-DVD ASAP.

05-20-2007, 08:57 PM	#19
Fozziwig Senior Member Member since:Feb 2007	I believe that the concerns of Fox & Disney when it came to HD DVD were poor content protection and lack of region coding. HD DVD can add region coding but the players that are already out there are region free and won't be effected by future region coding efforts. So Sony, Fox and Disney can be counted as no way, not ever, when it comes to HD DVD. Let's say you are an innocent consumer and you buy a cheap HD DVD player. At some point it is possible you might want to buy a HD movie that is Blu-ray exclusive. What happens next? 1) The salesperson lies and says that all studios will soon release on HD DVD (this has reportedly happened already). Even then you will eventually realise the seller is a lying scumbag. 2) The customer realises that a large number of titles are not available to him, gets pissed off and demands a refund. 3) The customer buys a BD player to go with the HD DVD player. 4) The customer settles for the HD DVD catalogue and decides upscaling SD DVD is good enough for other titles - in which case he then decides there's no point spending money on either HD format. At some point the shit is going to hit the fan. Whatever you think about the quality of the actual films is not important here. What is important is that a large number of BIG titles will not be available to the HD DVD bargain hunter. These include: Casino Royale (and all future Bond releases on HD) Spider-man trilogy Pirates Trilogy Simpsons Movie Die Hard Quadrilogy Alien Quadrilogy Night At The Museum Anything from Walt Disney Anything from Pixars Star Wars (you never know!) And a load more I'm sure you can all think of. I'm sorry, but these HD DVD giveaway ads are actually great for Blu-ray because it exposes HD DVD's ultimate weakness. Studio support. Seriously, does anyone think that Toshiba are remotely happy that in order to compete they have to effectively give products away? This is desperation on a truly grand scale. One equivalent would be Toshiba selling $50 SD DVD players in 1998. Sure, the neutrals can put a few decent titles together to shore up the facade but one day somebody is going to take a look behind the curtain to see Craig Kornblau screaming "Ignore that man behind the curtain - we have excellent studio support I tell ya!" Universal, Toshiba and those zany 'neutrals' are just pissing in the wind. Be not afraid, Blu-ray will rule this Christmas (even more than it already is).

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