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Old 03-06-2009, 10:19 PM   #1
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I'm shooting 1440x1080 video on a Panasonic HDC SP1 camera, and burning the resulting .MTS files to DVD with Vegas Pro 8.0 which does a good job. All my computers play these DVD's badly. And I don't want to play them on a PC, I want to play them on my HDTV. I took them to Best Buy and they work great on a Blu-Ray player, so I know they're good.

So I figured that since the new DVD players play DVD's, VCD's, Jpg's, MP3's, Divx and so on, there had to be one that would read Blu-Ray files on a DVD.

But when you google +"dvd player" +"blu-ray files" the list is kind of long.

Oh, I don't just get a Blu-Ray player because I spent most of my money already on the camera and HDTV.

Thanks in advance to all you gurus!
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Old 03-06-2009, 10:21 PM   #2
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Old 03-07-2009, 12:45 AM   #3
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I'm not a techy about that stuff. But from what I do know is you CAN'T get a bluray quality to play on a DVD. No matter what you do. They are 2 totlay diffenrnt technilogies. I'm sure someone will come along that wil either back me up with some techy facts or totlay say I don't have a clue as to what i'm talking about either way someone wil come along that has a good idea of whats going and and will be ale ot hepl you out.
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Old 03-07-2009, 01:15 AM   #4
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I'm not a techy about that stuff. But from what I do know is you CAN'T get a bluray quality to play on a DVD. No matter what you do. They are 2 totlay diffenrnt technilogies. I'm sure someone will come along that wil either back me up with some techy facts or totlay say I don't have a clue as to what i'm talking about either way someone wil come along that has a good idea of whats going and and will be ale ot hepl you out.
Thanks. How to say this... It's all just zeros and ones. I myself was surprised when it played (badly) on dvd drives on 3 of my computers. But it did. My friend went on about codecs and video cards, but it was plain to see that depending on the speed of the system and so forth, it was better on some than others.

Took it to Best Buy and ran it on a Sony Blu-Ray. Beautiful, and no jerky motion. Just like running the camera to the TV on the HDMI cable.

Sony Vegas 8.0 flat out allows you to write Blu-Ray to DVD. You can try it.

So we have that. If the file format is right, all there is left is the size of the media, which is much less. And the final piece is finding a DVD player that reads that format just like all the others. Zeros and ones.

Thanks though. It may just be that nobody ever thought of doing that. Usually, I don't have original thoughts, somebody already beat me to almost everything.
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the other question is that the DVD player won't play that DVD @ HD resolutions. Unless you play it on an upconverter or BD-player.
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Here's how I understand it:

The problem isn't so much with the zeros and ones as it is with the limitations of DVD Player resolutions. While some DVD Players will indeed read DATA encoded files (which is what you would burn HD video content as in order to keep it HD), a DVD Player will be stuck only reading it in 720x480, which is standard definition. Though upconverting players are able to output 1080p resolution, they are not able to decode this; they decode at 480, then upconvert the information by breaking up the pixelation and smoothing out edges. A BD Player, on the other hand, is able to decode at a higher resolution, letting you keep the HD quality from the transfer.

Again, this is how I've always understood DVD Player compatibility, so please don't throw objects that are too heavy if I am totally wrong.
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Old 03-07-2009, 02:16 AM   #7
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Here's how I understand it:

The problem isn't so much with the zeros and ones as it is with the limitations of DVD Player resolutions. While some DVD Players will indeed read DATA encoded files (which is what you would burn HD video content as in order to keep it HD), a DVD Player will be stuck only reading it in 720x480, which is standard definition. Though upconverting players are able to output 1080p resolution, they are not able to decode this; they decode at 480, then upconvert the information by breaking up the pixelation and smoothing out edges. A BD Player, on the other hand, is able to decode at a higher resolution, letting you keep the HD quality from the transfer.

Again, this is how I've always understood DVD Player compatibility, so please don't throw objects that are too heavy if I am totally wrong.
Here's a screen shot of the contents of the BDMV subdirectory on the Blu-Ray DVD that Vegas 8.0 built. Is this the correct format for a Blu-Ray disk and not just a data disk?
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As I said, I've always understood DVD encoding as being limited to 480 lines (576 for PAL) of encoded data, regardless of the resolution of the original. The only way to keep high resolution becomes to encode it as DATA, where it is an image of file, thus not formatted for DVD playback.

As far as AVCHD goes, I was under the impression that this format was kind of the same deal; you can record HD video onto a DVD, but you need a BD Player to be able to decode it in HD. I would assume that the formatting you're applying is similar, so I'm assuming it works similarly. But, I'd realy like to hear from someone who's confident in the matter.
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Here's a screen shot of the contents of the BDMV subdirectory on the Blu-Ray DVD that Vegas 8.0 built. Is this the correct format for a Blu-Ray disk and not just a data disk?
Those are blu-ray authored files in your screenshot. The stream file is the key and you have it.
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Those are blu-ray authored files in your screenshot. The stream file is the key and you have it.
Thanks! Any idea if a DVD player could read these Blu-Ray files on a DVD? Or where to look?
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Thanks! Any idea if a DVD player could read these Blu-Ray files on a DVD? Or where to look?
Your DVD player can not read those files, only a BD player can.
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