If you receiver doesnt have pre-outs

[SPH]

How would you add an amp?

I have an onkyo 605, and would like to add a 3 or 5 channel amp and truly bi-amp my front end.

[brett_day]

i do not believe you can. i think you are going to have to upgrade your receiver. However there might be someone on here that might know a way around this, but i think you might be out of luck

[SPH]

Originally Posted by brett_day

i do not believe you can. i think you are going to have to upgrade your receiver. However there might be someone on here that might know a wat around this, but i think you might be out of luck

Yeah I think so too, but thought I would ask.

Thanks

[Fors*]

Originally Posted by brett_day

i do not believe you can. i think you are going to have to upgrade your receiver. However there might be someone on here that might know a way around this, but i think you might be out of luck

+1, I am about 99.99% sure you can't do it with the 605 as brett stated. IF you could, I know I would have done it already! Darn 605 and your lack of pre-outs!!

[SPH]

the pioneer or the yamaha is the most inexpensive option? I see you can get the yamaha for about 374+ freight.

[Intamin]

No Pre-outs = no external amp. However, I think your money would be better spent on new speakers over an external amplifier if you're wanting an improvement in sound quality. An amp will give improvement, but much more can be gained through speakers.

[Johnny Vinyl]

Originally Posted by Intamin

No Pre-outs = no external amp. However, I think your money would be better spent on new speakers over an external amplifier if you're wanting an improvement in sound quality. An amp will give improvement, but much more can be gained through speakers.

+1. I'm a big believer in adding a seperate amp (considering several right now for hopefull purchase next year) and then eventually a dedicated 7-channel preamp, but you're right. Speakers will gain him the biggest noticeable improvement in sound quality, given his situation with his AVR.

John

[SPH]

I have new monitor 60's but looking to add in monitor 70's. When I get into my house, I will get paradigm monitor 11's system With all separates.

[Intamin]

Originally Posted by SPH

I have new monitor 60's but looking to add in monitor 70's. When I get into my house, I will get paradigm monitor 11's system With all separates.

Even if you go that route I still feel you won't be able to notice an appreciable difference. To go to separates you'd be looking at spending more money on components than on what actually produces the sound. That just doesn't make much sense to me, but it's not my money.

[SPH]

Originally Posted by Intamin

Even if you go that route I still feel you won't be able to notice an appreciable difference. To go to separates you'd be looking at spending more money on components than on what actually produces the sound. That just doesn't make much sense to me, but it's not my money.

What do you mean? If you are getting a consistent clean signal to your speakers, you should have better overall tone. At least in guitar amps the more power you are running (headroom) the cleaner the signal path. Especially is you are running a 3 way front and can trully bi amp both sides with equal power, as apposed to my system now where I am not totally convinvced it is equal using the 7th channel for you other power supply.

I havent seen an avr that can have 150/200 watts per channel rms. But having good source equipment is definitely a major part I agree.

[Intamin]

Originally Posted by SPH

What do you mean? If you are getting a consistent clean signal to your speakers, you should have better overall tone. At least in guitar amps the more power you are running (headroom) the cleaner the signal path. Especially is you are running a 3 way front and can trully bi amp both sides with equal power, as apposed to my system now where I am not totally convinvced it is equal using the 7th channel for you other power supply.

I havent seen an avr that can have 150/200 watts per channel rms. But having good source equipment is definitely a major part I agree.

I'm saying the speakers you plan to upgrade to aren't much better than what you have so dropping 1k+ on an amp and new receiver still feels like a waste. The difference you hear between your current 605 and whatever you choose won't be much if any, that's if you keep your speakers or go for the 70's or paradigms. My point is that you can get a bigger upgrade in sound quality if you added the money you would spend on separates to your speaker budget. I'm not arguing you won't notice a difference, because you will; it's just bigger gains can be had through better speakers.

[mdabb]

Gonna have to agree that you would be best off spending your hard earned dollars on some nice speakers first. Power isn't everything and the type and quality of speakers you use are a big limiting factor. Throwing more watts at the situation isn't going to solve the issue I think you are trying to overcome or the the upgrade I think you would like to hear.

Also, big difference between musical equipment and stuff for home audio use.

It would also be a shame to have kick ass components and then have entry level speakers. I don't think an amp is necessary in your present situation or even with the speakers you are thinking about getting. A new receiver or even the one you have now is perfectly fine (power wise) with what you have now. Not gonna get a lot better just by increasing the power to them.

Speakers are the critical key to achieving greatness. That doesn't mean you have to spend a fortune, it just means put a little thought and effort into it and go check out some places to hear what is possible and then decide how far you would like to take it. It is possible to get really nice stuff at a great price.

None of what I am or what the others are saying is meant to offend you. We are just trying to help you not waste your money. What exactly would you like to achieve or what do you feel is missing from what you hear now ???

[SPH]

Originally Posted by mdabb

Gonna have to agree that you would be best off spending your hard earned dollars on some nice speakers first. Power isn't everything and the type and quality of speakers you use are a big limiting factor. Throwing more watts at the situation isn't going to solve the issue I think you are trying to overcome or the the upgrade I think you would like to hear.

Also, big difference between musical equipment and stuff for home audio use.

It would also be a shame to have kick ass components and then have entry level speakers. I don't think an amp is necessary in your present situation or even with the speakers you are thinking about getting. A new receiver or even the one you have now is perfectly fine (power wise) with what you have now. Not gonna get a lot better just by increasing the power to them.

Speakers are the critical key to achieving greatness. That doesn't mean you have to spend a fortune, it just means put a little thought and effort into it and go check out some places to hear what is possible and then decide how far you would like to take it. It is possible to get really nice stuff at a great price.

None of what I am or what the others are saying is meant to offend you. We are just trying to help you not waste your money. What exactly would you like to achieve or what do you feel is missing from what you hear now ???

No offense taken, I want to learn this stuff. I have played music for over 20 years and have mixed for lots of live bands in big and small forums. The equipment factor (speaker brands etc) is where I am weak.


What would be better than the pardigms, as far as getting more bang for the buck?

What I really want is a tower that had 10's and 8's and tweeters.


I appreciate the info and discussion

[Intamin]

Originally Posted by SPH

No offense taken, I want to learn this stuff. I have played music for over 20 years and have mixed for lots of live bands in big and small forums. The equipment factor (speaker brands etc) is where I am weak.


What would be better than the pardigms, as far as getting more bang for the buck?

What I really want is a tower that had 10's and 8's and tweeters.


I appreciate the info and discussion

Paradigm is a great speaker company, but I'd look into the Studio 100's if you can spring it and you want Paradigms. It depends on what your budget is though, as there are so many great speakers at certain price points that it would be much easier to recommend. Here are some brands to look at though, as these are some of my favorites and are also well regarded by others.

Paradigm
Dali
Dynaudio
Salk
B&W (I don't personally like them, well, at least none of their lower series, but the 800s are great, and there are tons of people that love the lower series)
Martin Logan

Good luck!

[mdabb]

Originally Posted by SPH

No offense taken, I want to learn this stuff. I have played music for over 20 years and have mixed for lots of live bands in big and small forums. The equipment factor (speaker brands etc) is where I am weak.


What would be better than the pardigms, as far as getting more bang for the buck?

What I really want is a tower that had 10's and 8's and tweeters.


I appreciate the info and discussion

Polk and Paradigm make different levels of speakers so if they appeal to you then why not. I just don't think upgrading the way you intended really would be an upgrade and then you would be back to where you started minus more money.

It would be great if you could give a budget. That way people can help you best. If you have no problem with piecing together a setup you will be rewarded greatly. Believe me we all have limits and I don't want to recommend anything that isn't of use to you.

In any case please do go check out some speakers and gear at various prices in person, even if it's not in your budget. That way you can get an idea of what is possible and where diminishing returns kick in for you. It will be fun and you'll be able to decide how far you wanna take it.

[zicmubleu]

Originally Posted by SPH

the pioneer or the yamaha is the most inexpensive option? I see you can get the yamaha for about 374+ freight.

SPH I would advise that you also read the audio/speaker thread titled "not enough watts per channel" before rushing into a buying decision. I am not familiar with all the various speaker brands nor the AVRs but you don't want to buy a great set of speakers and then underpower them either. Under powering the speakers leads to the AVR clipping, creating a DC signal being sent to the speaker which can destroy them over a short period of time. As long as your AVR has the power needed to properly power the speakers you chose you are OK, but making that determination may not be so easy. An over powered amp or AVR for the speakers only means you won't turn up the volume as much but you will avoid maxing out the amplifier so the output will always be a good sine wave. IMO I think your first instinct was the right one, think of your AVR or amp as the foundation of your audio system.