My first and last ACoustic audio experience. Wow

[mj79]

Where do I start. Got it ( aa hdsub 12 )today hooked it up 2 hours ago and in my 10+ years of being a audiophiles in the auto ranks I will say this is probably one of the worst 12 s I have ever heard. It's ungodly weak , the suspension is terrible ( it's like jello ), poorly constructed ( box in general ) and my 10" Polk psw 10 walks all over this thing in every way. Music movies radio etc.

From allthe hype this thing got I was so excited. But what a letdown. I mean when notes get lower this thing gets quieter. I had to actually check to see if it was plugged in the first time I turned it on. I moved this thing to 15 different spots in my house while my friend sat on the couch. He owns a servo 15 and he basically said what I feared. You got what ya paid for brother. So true. I got had and mixed up in the hype. And am now looking for the quickest way to take advantage of that 30 dAy moneyback guarantee

it's not loud (AT ALL ) it does not go low ( ironhide sweep was a joke ) ugh I'm just so frustrated. No offense to the company or people who like there's but if you think this is reference quality with low end I've got a great deal on purified air I wanna sell you.

All in all. Great service , shipping and exterior is ok. Just not a sub for me. I have no idea what else I can do. Worst of All. I have a 15 on the way too!!!!

Discuss

[jonesyg27]

I'm sorry you didn't like the sub. I like my little HD-SUB10 but I do have a fairly small space, and I had pretty much no low end before. I guess I got what I expected/hoped for. Maybe Big Daddy or someone else has some suggestions?

[mj79]

Originally Posted by jonesyg27

I'm sorry you didn't like the sub. I like my little HD-SUB10 but I do have a fairly small space, and I had pretty much no low end before. I guess I got what I expected/hoped for. Maybe Big Daddy or someone else has some suggestions?

I dunno man. This is just a bummer. And frustrating. Seaton submersive time lol. Actually it might be diy time.

When I was asking about these subs I was comparing them to my buddies klipsch sub. He has a 12. Don't know the model. ( but it's 479 at best buy. ) and thT things destroys this hdsub. It literally made u "feel " it in your chest

anyone know the return policy?? I just tried to cancel my eBay win on this 15 hdsub that I won as well.

2 things I would just like to figure out

- return policy

- what happens when you cancel something you won on eBay? Negative feedback?

[duneaholic]

Man you are really in the minority here. I don't want to insult you but did you set it up right? I mean Big Daddy has some high end stuff and he's been into audio for a very long time and has a very good rep on this site and he thinks they are very good for the money. I would play around with it some more before you talk to harshly about it. Good luck with whatever happens. You could get your money back I'm sure but would have to pay return shipping and perhaps a re-stocking fee.

[CallingMrBenzo]

im very surprised to be reading this thread and i agree with dune's post... im sure some setting can't be quite right, also your passing judgment with no break in time and many people have noted how much the sub improves over time....as is true with all speakers


when i was reading the thread over at avs on the pa 120 many people had set up problems which led them to similar opinions like yours, but most all of them set it up wrong and have since changed their opinions....

give it more time and talk to big daddy, the best buy klispch sub doesnt dig down to 20 hz... and big daddy has recorded 90 dbs @ 20hz in his room with the aa

i hope it all works out...

[Big Daddy]

I don't understand. Something is wrong with your setup or the connection. I hope it is not defective. The level of mine is set around 40% and is pretty loud. Explain how you set it up.

Make sure you use a Y adapter and connect the sub cable to both the right and left input.

Turn the crossover on the back of the sub all the way up.

Turn the level on the back of the sub to 60%-70%.

In the receiver's menu, set all your speakers to small and the crossover to 80Hz. Set the low pass filter of LFE to 120Hz.

Set the Double Bass to OFF.

Run the calibration program.

Put the sub in a corner. Subwoofers use the corner walls and increase their output.

Play music with bass or test tones and let it run for a day or two so that it breaks in.

If you have an SPL meter, adjust the level of your speakers with respect to your listening position to approximately 75dB to 80dB.

Also, after a couple of days, use the SPL meter and test tones to measure its output from about 1 meter (3.3 ft). You can download free test tones and burn them to a CD or DVD.

Your Polk subwoofer does not go as deep. Since ears are more sensitive to upper bass frequencies, subwoofers that do not go very deep appear louder. Many people cannot hear 20Hz or below frequencies. Initially, subwoofers that can go lower do not sound as loud. You need to give it some time for the brain to adjust.

[mj79]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy

I don't understand. Something is wrong with your setup or the connection. I hope it is not defective. The level of mine is set around 40% and is pretty loud. Explain how you set it up.

Make sure you use a Y adapter and connect the sub cable to both the right and left input.

Turn the crossover on the back of the sub all the way up.

Turn the level on the back of the sub to 60%-70%.

In the receiver's menu, set all your speakers to small and the crossover to 80Hz. Set the low pass filter of LFE to 120Hz.

Set the Double Bass to OFF.

Run the calibration program.

Put the sub in a corner. Subwoofers use the corner walls and increase their output.

Play music with bass or test tones and let it run for a day or two so that it breaks in.

If you have an SPL meter, adjust the level of your speakers with respect to your listening position to approximately 75dB to 80dB.

Also, after a couple of days, use the SPL meter and test tones to measure its output from about 1 meter (3.3 ft). You can download free test tones and burn them to a CD or DVD.

I have done EVERYTHING you said. I'm still running my monster cables etc y adapter cross over settings are right I have a dbdrag race ( car audio ) spl cd with sweeps tones 20-100hz , pink, brown noise etc etc

The quality IMO is basic and not well tuned or usefull the port is more than likely restricting output. Especially in this small of an enclosure. The amp got hot as he'll in 30 minutes and the sub itself is crackling. So I have a bad driver and possibly a bad amp. Unless this thi g runs hot all the time.

I do NOT want this sub. It's defective and I'm disappointed with the quality. IF.... I pay for this hdsub 15 tomorrow it will be a delivery-exchange with a full refund.

Basically I want my 15 delivered and when they drop it off , take this 12 at the same time. And I will not be charged a restock fee or shipping. If they want they can credit the cost of the 12 to the cost of the 15. If they will do that I will try the 15. I

I am no scammer by any means, but I willnot be taken advantage of either. I don't want the 12. It's broken. There's a 30 day return policy. Seems like a easy win situation for both of us if they are good business ppl

[mike171979]

I would bet it is defective.

From all that I've read, someone with high expectations could HATE this thing because all it does is rumble like a tricked out Honda Civic's Soundsystem. Its OK for a home theater, but if you want to hear different notes in music, the thing is a waste.

Or they could hate this thing because it doesn't go low enough.

Or they could hate this thing because its built so cheaply.

But to hate it because its too quite???? That just isn't a problem these cheap subs have. So something is definitely wrong with the original post.

The sound quality may not be great, but it should be chest pounding, especially when the gain is set at 3/4 or something ridiculously high.

[duneaholic]

Just curious? Why don't you want it? If it's defective then how could you know you don't want it? Is it the looks? Not being a smart alec...just curious.

[Big Daddy]

The amp may get hot, but that is normal. I leave it on all the time and don't have any problems. There must be something else wrong. Do you hear the crackling when the subwoofer is on idle or do you hear it when it plays music. Make sure the port is about a foot away from the wall.

I would say as long as you have the sub, play music and test tones through it and let it warm up and see if the problem will go away.

The HD sub can play pretty loud and can go pretty deep. Even if I am completely deaf, I have measured it with test tones and SPL meter. It had no trouble playing 20Hz and at 25Hz, the entire room started vibrating.

[Aerodude73]

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[mj79]

Originally Posted by mike171979

I would bet it is defective.

From all that I've read, someone with high expectations could HATE this thing because all it does is rumble like a tricked out Honda Civic's Soundsystem. Its OK for a home theater, but if you want to hear different notes in music, the thing is a waste.

Or they could hate this thing because it doesn't go low enough.

Or they could hate this thing because its built so cheaply.

But to hate it because its too quite???? That just isn't a problem these cheap subs have. So something is definitely wrong with the original post.

The sound quality may not be great, but it should be chest pounding, especially when the gain is set at 3/4 or something ridiculously high.

Well I dislike it for all of the above. When it comes to audio I have a pretty good ear and when it comes to build quality and construction Im meticulous. I mean i've been a carpenter for 10 years and built boxes that cost 10x what the car there going in costs. And box building is a science. Much trial and error goes into it. All my boxes are lined with resin, rounded or kerfed corners, and resin is dumped into all the inside corners to round them out. This box on the inside ( from looking through the terribly placed and tuned port ) has 1x1 chunks glued in the corners will elmers. Is that what you call a brace?

/rant. I just hate when stuff lke this happens. And I promise you even f I do get a 15 that works perfectly I can tell just by the driver that I will not be impressed. Not saying you guys are wrong but "loud" is a relative term.

Some may think a single Rockford p1 sub will "shake there car apart" while people like me aren't impressed unless your doing 160 db at 30 hz

which is why I got a lil defensive when I was told not to bring in car audio to the ht forum. But so far I've been right. I wish I had a plate amp so I could do some testing for you guys in home.

Good example. Soundsplinter rp-p

[mj79]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy

I don't understand. Something is wrong with your setup or the connection. I hope it is not defective. The level of mine is set around 40% and is pretty loud. Explain how you set it up.

Make sure you use a Y adapter and connect the sub cable to both the right and left input.

Turn the crossover on the back of the sub all the way up.

Turn the level on the back of the sub to 60%-70%.

In the receiver's menu, set all your speakers to small and the crossover to 80Hz. Set the low pass filter of LFE to 120Hz.

Set the Double Bass to OFF.

Run the calibration program.

Put the sub in a corner. Subwoofers use the corner walls and increase their output.

Play music with bass or test tones and let it run for a day or two so that it breaks in.

If you have an SPL meter, adjust the level of your speakers with respect to your listening position to approximately 75dB to 80dB.

Also, after a couple of days, use the SPL meter and test tones to measure its output from about 1 meter (3.3 ft). You can download free test tones and burn them to a CD or DVD.

Your Polk subwoofer does not go as deep. Since ears are more sensitive to upper bass frequencies, subwoofers that do not go very deep appear louder. Many people cannot hear 20Hz or below frequencies. Initially, subwoofers that can go lower do not sound as loud. You need to give it some time for the brain to adjust.

Onemore thing. Even if I didn't do one or two of the things u listed above, why did my crappy Polk and friends klipsch walk on this ? I didn't touch any of the settings. Yea I know the driver is defective but I will say I know speakers how they work and how to make them sound good. But this driver is weak. I didn't take anything apart cuz. Didn't wanna void anything but the cone is terrible ( fancy at best, but cosmetics never cut it in ht or ca ) is there even a spider in ths thing?? And I thought my ol w7s had a loose suspension. And I can't even imagine the basket , magnet or tinsil leads.

I run and have for years Internet brand company woofers in my car for years ( dc audio, re audio, soundsplinter, digital designs ) but there drivers are unreal. So in no way am I dogging the small guys. I'm just very disappointed

[mj79]

No problem man. I'm pissed so yea I'm gonna let it out. I can't build mine. Yet. Becauseim waiting for my slab to go down for my new garage, ki da tight for cash at the moment and am busy as hell with work

what your missing is. It's not I'm pissing about the sub as much as the hype and the attempt to male me pay for something. Received as defective. I stated I'd try the 15 if they want to credit my 12. I know shit happens so I'm not hating on the company about that, but when it comes down to $$ they sure know how to get ya.

[duneaholic]

Originally Posted by mj79

No problem man. I'm pissed so yea I'm gonna let it out. I can't build mine. Yet. Becauseim waiting for my slab to go down for my new garage, ki da tight for cash at the moment and am busy as hell with work

what your missing is. It's not I'm pissing about the sub as much as the hype and the attempt to male me pay for something. Received as defective. I stated I'd try the 15 if they want to credit my 12. I know shit happens so I'm not hating on the company about that, but when it comes down to $$ they sure know how to get ya.

There are a lot of happy people here that love there AA subs. So there's really no hype to it. If you want to call people being excited about having a new experience in HT such as one of these well performing/ affordable subs. No one made you buy it. As for it not coming close to your PSW10...that I can't believe and have to think it's not set up right or defective. Give it some time. There's no way I would have put up a post only 2 hours of having it. I would have tried like hell to see what was wrong and asked for opinions before posting "first and last AA experience" which is a little pre-mature.

[Irrob]

I'm going to speak my mind. I want to believe you simply got a defective AA sub. The sensible thing would be to contact customer service and exchange it. But your sudden and very public anti-AA smear campaign is suspicious to say the least. I'm a satisfied customer of two AA subs. That's all I have to say.

[Fors*]

Originally Posted by Irrob

I'm going to speak my mind. I want to believe you simply got a defective AA sub. The sensible thing would be to contact customer service and exchange it. But your sudden and very public anti-AA smear campaign is suspicious to say the least. I'm a satisfied customer of two AA subs. That's all I have to say.

If you have the 15" on the way, I would wait and at least give that sub a chance. If in fact the 12" is defective, more than likely the 15" will not be, and that will be a mucher better guage as to the sound that these subs possess. You would not be out any more money by at least trying the second sub, and this will be a much better way to verify your situation and the sub's performance. Just my opinion on this anyway, mj. Sorry you are dissatisfied with the product up to this point.....

[StimpsonJCat]

I may have missed it in this thread, but what size room do you have?