120hz. Why is it hard to understand?

[JasonHensley]

I swear everyday people talk about an LCD they saw at Best Buy and how it had that 3d look, soap opera effect, or the picture just didn't look right. Then a few minutes later, someone comes in and says that it is because of the 120hz technology that causes the picture to look like that. These people have no clue what they are talking about, and I can't believe they bother posting on a website like this when they can't even grasp a simple concept like this.120hz is a refresh rate, nothing more nothing less. Auto motion plus/enhancer is what causes this effect on LCDs and it can be turned off so the picture looks normal. I'm so sick of posters on this board giving out false information like this to people who don't know any better.

[RandDawg]

Originally Posted by JasonHensley

I swear everyday people talk about an LCD they saw at Best Buy and how it had that 3d look, soap opera effect, or the picture just didn't look right. Then a few minutes later, someone comes in and says that it is because of the 120hz technology that causes the picture to look like that. These people have no clue what they are talking about, and I can't believe they bother posting on a website like this when they can't even grasp a simple concept like this.120hz is a refresh rate, nothing more nothing less. Auto motion plus/enhancer is what causes this effect on LCDs and it can be turned off so the picture looks normal. I'm so sick of posters on this board giving out false information like this to people who don't know any better.

Tell us how you really feel.

[Audiophile_At_Birth]

It's hard to grasp a concept when facts themselves are irrelavent...The only way to stop this is to provide the correct information if you know it. So many people think they know what they are talking about when in reality they don't...and it only takes one person... All matters aside, don't kill the messenger...

[My_Two_Cents]

Gotta agree with the OP, but it's not limited to just 120Hz/automotion (though that seems to be the biggest piece of confusion). We've got lots of folks posting FUD and other uninformed or misinformed statements as fact, when they have no clue to what they are talking about. Most just need to be educated, and that's partly why this site exists. Others, however, either refuse to admit their understanding is incorrect (even when presented with facts/links) or simply don't have the intellect to do so.

It's not going to change, so we just need to educate as best as we can when we see this type of misinformation being presented.

Now, can someone explain to me why some movies don't fill my screen entirely? I mean, I bought a widescreen TV so I could watch these movies without those stupid black bars! What gives?

[drago3451]

Now, can someone explain to me why some movies don't fill my screen entirely? I mean, I bought a widescreen TV so I could watch these movies without those stupid black bars! What gives? [/QUOTE]

[yourstupidgame]

In general:

The problem is that many of these posters think they know what they're talking about, buy they don't. I would say that if you're completely confident that you know what you're talking about, please share your knowledge and advice. If you only think you know, or are pretty sure, just let someone else give the information.

On topic:
Posts that say, "I'm pretty sure that is caused by 120hz" aren't helpful at all!

[Warrior1986]

Originally Posted by Ricshoe

Now, can someone explain to me why some movies don't fill my screen entirely? I mean, I bought a widescreen TV so I could watch these movies without those stupid black bars! What gives?

This is easy to explain. Has to do with the aspect ratio and anamorphic vs non-anamorphic.

In order to not have any bars whatsoever on our widescreen 16:9 TVs, you have to feed an anamorphic signal into the TV with the 1.85:1 ratio.

I noticed this yesterday when I was watching on my new TC-37LZ800 yesterday. Oceans 13 had bars even though everything is set up correctly. Then I put in Sweeney Todd and it filled the entire screen. Sure enough, Sweeney Todd is 1.85:1 whereas Oceans 13 is 2.35:1

Check this page out for further information. There's a really helpful section which tells you what to look for when buying movies if you are looking for ones that will fill the entire screen with no bars, because for some reason distrubutors tend not to put the ratio on the back.

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articl...ge2.html#demos

[My_Two_Cents]

Originally Posted by Warrior1986

This is easy to explain. Has to do with the aspect ratio and anamorphic vs non-anamorphic.

In order to not have any bars whatsoever on our widescreen 16:9 TVs, you have to feed an anamorphic signal into the TV with the 1.85:1 ratio.

I noticed this yesterday when I was watching on my new TC-37LZ800 yesterday. Oceans 13 had bars even though everything is set up correctly. Then I put in Sweeney Todd and it filled the entire screen. Sure enough, Sweeney Todd is 1.85:1 whereas Oceans 13 is 2.35:1

Check this page out for further information. There's a really helpful section which tells you what to look for when buying movies if you are looking for ones that will fill the entire screen with no bars, because for some reason distrubutors tend not to put the ratio on the back.

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articl...ge2.html#demos

Thanks, but.....I was being sarcastic.

LOL.

[stockstar1138]

my stickied 120hz thread pwns all other explanations of 120hz.

Noobs should be forced to read it, Alex DeLarge style, before posting.

[lettucenpico]

Originally Posted by JasonHensley

I swear everyday people talk about an LCD they saw at Best Buy and how it had that 3d look, soap opera effect, or the picture just didn't look right. Then a few minutes later, someone comes in and says that it is because of the 120hz technology that causes the picture to look like that. These people have no clue what they are talking about, and I can't believe they bother posting on a website like this when they can't even grasp a simple concept like this.120hz is a refresh rate, nothing more nothing less. Auto motion plus/enhancer is what causes this effect on LCDs and it can be turned off so the picture looks normal. I'm so sick of posters on this board giving out false information like this to people who don't know any better. I wish people could get this simple concept through their thick skulls because it really is starting to get rediculous...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...... I love when people explain how 120hz is just refresh rate, when the whole soap opera image is the "motion ehancement", ok so you're right is the motion enhancement. But how many people go! OH LOOK AT MY 60HZ with motion enhancement!, because the older 1080ps didnt have em!!!!!. Reason why people say 120hz instead of motion enhancement is its easier to say... You dont see people go "oh look at that motion ehancement", they say "oh look at that 120hz" because the effect is only on the 120hz tvs....

[RiseDarthVader]

But technically 120Hz is not what is causing so by incorrectly calling it 120Hz you are just confusing all the noobs.

[lettucenpico]

Right, but are there motion enhancements on a 60hz tv? Last I checked, I don't think so.

[dereksworl]

Originally Posted by lettucenpico

Right, but are there motion enhancements on a 60hz tv? Last I checked, I don't think so.

Originally Posted by lettucenpico

You dont see people go "oh look at that motion ehancement", they say "oh look at that 120hz" because the effect is only on the 120hz tvs....

But not all 120hz TVs have the motion enhancement/frame interpolation. so if you are misinforming people then they might buy a 120hz only TV thinking it will have frame interpolation, but it won't. so you can't just call it 120hz, because its not. call it what it is i.e. MotionFlow, Auto Motion Plus, TruMotion ect..

[Hoosier317]

Rather than talking about what is 120Hz or what is a motion feature. Let's just point out that every single LCD on the market at motion blur to some degree. These features are simply trying to mask this. Some do a better job than others, but in the end the all have blur.

[turboLAZER]

Originally Posted by JasonHensley

I swear everyday people talk about an LCD they saw at Best Buy and how it had that 3d look, soap opera effect, or the picture just didn't look right. Then a few minutes later, someone comes in and says that it is because of the 120hz technology that causes the picture to look like that. These people have no clue what they are talking about, and I can't believe they bother posting on a website like this when they can't even grasp a simple concept like this.120hz is a refresh rate, nothing more nothing less. Auto motion plus/enhancer is what causes this effect on LCDs and it can be turned off so the picture looks normal. I'm so sick of posters on this board giving out false information like this to people who don't know any better.

this is why there is so much confusion



you should blame the electronics company's for making this logo