What movies are better in blu than hddvd for PQ?

[ascendedcobra]

Does anyone know if any blurays got a superior transfer PQ wise than their hddvd counterparts? Any reviews I've read either wont say or say its identical. Im just curious as I have almost 100 hddvds (all bought this year),and I am a weirdo video geek that likes to do comparisons. Also let me know if any opposite examples exist.
One more of interest to me would be blu vs hddvd vs dtheater. Thanks in advance.

[Suntory_Times]

Originally Posted by ascendedcobra

Does anyone know if any blurays got a superior transfer PQ wise than their hddvd counterparts? Any reviews I've read either wont say or say its identical. Im just curious as I have almost 100 hddvds (all bought this year),and I am a weirdo video geek that likes to do comparisons. Also let me know if any opposite examples exist.
One more of interest to me would be blu vs hddvd vs dtheater. Thanks in advance.

Transformers, i'm sure there are many more.

Also the hddvd of mummy reurns is better then the blu in terms of PQ.

[Kryptonic]

The differences, if there are any, are pretty minimal. Most of the differences and benefits come with audio. A lot of HD-DVD's that were only DD+ are now DTS-HD on BD.

[Blacklac]

Hot Fuzz and Miami Vice are both improved in PQ, and audio. The Bourne movies all are superior to their HD DVD's. Alot of Paramount and Warner early releases are better on HD DVD because the HD DVD's used VC-1 where the Blu's were MPEG2.

[FendersRule]

For PQ purposes, there isn't many HD-DVDs that are better than Blus to my knowledge.

I would argue that Army of Darkness is better for PQ on HD-DVD due to less edge enhancement.

However, more BDs have the lossless audio tracks, and this is where the real winner will come from.

[abintra]

Probably quicker to list the HD DVD releases that offered something the BD release doesn't.

There are a handful of WB HD DVD releases that offered lossless, or slightly improved, audio where the BD release doesn't. Blood Diamond had an IME track that was omitted on the BD. A few of the VC-1/MPEG-4 AVC versus MPEG-2 releases show improvements (some subtle/minor, some more noticeable).

There are a handful of 1.5 Mbps versus 640 kbps releases. Some that offered improvement, some that didn't (only listing the ones I found a review mentioning a slight improvement).

The vast majority of Universal titles that have been released on BD have either been equal or better but there are a couple (might literally be a couple) where the HD DVD release offers something the BD doesn't (not sure of which titles other than The Thing and I Now Pronounce You Chuck & Larry though).

Aeon Flux (VC-1 v MPEG-2)
Ant Bully, The (TrueHD)
Babel (1.5 Mbps v 640 kbps)
Black Snake Moan (1.5 Mbps v 640 kbps)
Blood Diamond (IME)
Coming to America (Slightly improved PQ.. minor)
District B13 (VC-1 v MPEG-2)
Dreamgirls (1.5 Mbps v 640 kbps)
Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room (DTS-HD 5.1 3.0 Mbps)
Flags of Our Fathers (1.5 Mbps v 640 kbps)
Fountain, The (1.5 Mbps v 640 kbps)
Four Brothers (1.5 Mbps v 640 kbps)
Freedom Writers (1.5 Mbps v 640 kbps)
Good Night, and Good Luck (VC-1 v MPEG-2.. minor)
Happy Feet (TrueHD)
I Now Pronounce You Chuck & Larry (Extras)
Italian Job, The (VC-1 v MPEG-2.. minor)
Kiss Kiss Bang Bang (VC-1 v MPEG-2.. minor)
Lady in the Water (TrueHD)
Lost City, The (VC-1 v MPEG-2.. very minor)
Mission: Impossible II (1.5 Mbps v 640 kbps)
Mission: Impossible III (IME & 1.5 Mbps v 640 kbps)
Nip/Tuck: The Complete Fourth Season (1.5 Mbps v 640 kbps)
Norbit (1.5 Mbps v 640 kbps)
One Last Thing... (VC-1 v MPEG-2 & 1.5 Mbps v 640 kbps)
Payback (AVC MPEG-4 v MPEG-2, very minor, & 1.5 Mbps v 640 kbps)
Phantom of the Opera, The (TrueHD)
Reds (VC-1 v MPEG-2)
Rumor Has It (VC-1 v MPEG-2)
Sahara (VC-1 v MPEG-2)
Shooter (1.5 Mbps v 640 kbps)
Thing, The (Extras)
Training Day (VC-1 v MPEG-2 & TrueHD)
Wicker Man, The (TrueHD)
World Trade Center (VC-1 v MPEG-2..very minor)

[RYJAPE21]

Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory looks better on blu as opposed to hddvd.

[Kirsty_Mc]

Dune (French Blu) is miles better than the HD-DVD.

[FendersRule]

Originally Posted by Kirsty_Mc

Dune (French Blu) is miles better than the HD-DVD.

How so?

[abintra]

A couple more with superior PQ on BD.

Chronos
Perfect Storm, The (1080p v 1080i)

[steve_dave]

Originally Posted by abintra

Probably quicker to list the HD DVD releases that offered something the BD release doesn't.

There are a handful of WB HD DVD releases that offered lossless, or slightly improved, audio where the BD release doesn't. Blood Diamond had an IME track that was omitted on the BD. A few of the VC-1/MPEG-4 AVC versus MPEG-2 releases show improvements (some subtle/minor, some more noticeable).

...

Actually, Warner was lazy with HD DVD production. If the HD DVD had a Blu-ray Disc counterpart, they both shared the same 640kbs track. Warner never utilized the full 1.5mbs bit-rate for Dolby Digital Plus. It was easier for them make one 640kbs master and encode that for both BD's Dolby Digtal & HD DVD's Dolby Digital Plus

[abintra]

Originally Posted by steve_dave

Actually, Warner was lazy with HD DVD production. If the HD DVD had a Blu-ray Disc counterpart, they both shared the same 640kbs track. Warner never utilized the full 1.5mbs bit-rate for Dolby Digital Plus.

Meaning you believe the two I listed, The Fountain and Nip/Tuck, are erroneous? The best I can tell, both are 1.5 Mbps.

[Blu Myers]

Some argue that the HDDVD of The Thing is better than the blu-ray because there is no DNR used in the HDDVD. I haven't the blu-ray version to compare though. I bought the HDDVD after reading this and also the "terror takes shape" is in tact on the HDDVD, but not the blu-ray (which only has an "in movie experience" version).

[ascendedcobra]

Wow thanks for all the replies. Its hard to believe Transformers could look any better than the hddvd,but I know Willy Wonka and the Itallian job could look better. I will have to check some of these out.

[abintra]

Originally Posted by ascendedcobra

Wow thanks for all the replies. Its hard to believe Transformers could look any better than the hddvd,but I know Willy Wonka and the Itallian job could look better. I will have to check some of these out.

Just in case, The Italian Job, and that entire list, was the handful of HD DVD titles that are reported to offer some improvement on HD DVD versus their BD counterparts. I doubt you would find the BD release for that title as an improvement as it will take a re-release to improve on what is available now.

[ascendedcobra]

Originally Posted by abintra

Just in case, The Italian Job, and that entire list, was the handful of HD DVD titles that are reported to offer some improvement on HD DVD versus their BD counterparts. I doubt you would find the BD release for that title as an improvement as it will take a re-release to improve on what is available now.

Oh ok. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

[Blacklac]

Originally Posted by ascendedcobra

Wow thanks for all the replies. Its hard to believe Transformers could look any better than the hddvd,but I know Willy Wonka and the Itallian job could look better. I will have to check some of these out.

The difference is quite minimal. You may not even notice while actually watching the movie. Even on screen caps, blown up 200% it is a small difference. I could spot it easily on caps, but others couldn't even tell.

[Monkey]

With Transformers the audio improvement is noticeable

[dougotte]

Originally Posted by leem6453

Some argue that the HDDVD of The Thing is better than the blu-ray because there is no DNR used in the HDDVD. I haven't the blu-ray version to compare though. I bought the HDDVD after reading this and also the "terror takes shape" is in tact on the HDDVD, but not the blu-ray (which only has an "in movie experience" version).

Agreed. The HD-DVD of The Thing looks quite good. It's one of the dozen or so titles that I most fear losing if my dual players die. There were several reviews w/ screenshots for the BD release that directly compare the two, and the BD PQ is softer due to too much DNR. However, I would like to hear the lossless ST on the BD.

Doug

[Arkham]

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