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Jeremy1983 · 12-10-2009, 07:15 PM

Is there a movie(s) that you think separates cinephiles from average movie goers? I know that film is subjective and everyone has the right to their own opinion, blah blah blah. But in YOUR opinion, if someone doesn't like a particular film, are you convinced that he/she simply doesn't appreciate the art of filmmaking?

For me, it's There Will Be Blood. If you hated TWBB, you were most likely expecting to see explosions, boobies, and fast cars... not that there's necessarily anything wrong with those

Rblu-Dblu · 12-10-2009, 07:15 PM

The Godfather.

surfdude12 · 12-10-2009, 07:17 PM

2001

+1 on TWBB

Fighter · 12-10-2009, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeremy1983

Is there a movie(s) that you think separates cinephiles from average movie goers? I know that film is subjective and everyone has the right to their own opinion, blah blah blah. But in YOUR opinion, if someone doesn't like a particular film, are you convinced that he/she simply doesn't appreciate the art of filmmaking?

For me, it's There Will Be Blood. If you hated TWBB, you were most likely expecting to see explosions, boobies, and fast cars... not that there's necessarily anything wrong with those

+1

One of my all-time favs

And I really love the explosions, guns, ta-ta's, etc., etc.

Fighter · 12-10-2009, 07:20 PM

Also, One flew over the Cuckoo's Nest

CZAR · 12-10-2009, 07:22 PM

Off the top I would say:

Lady in the Water
The Village
Pulp Fiction

Got Em!!

Batman1980 · 12-10-2009, 07:23 PM

Bit extreme to make that kind of claim but I have to go with...A New Hope.

Jeremy1983 · 12-10-2009, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CZAR

Off the top I would say:

Lady in the Water
The Village
Pulp Fiction

Got Em!!

Erik E. Erik · 12-10-2009, 07:25 PM

"2001." It tells its story through images rather than some narrator describing on-screen events, and asks you to fill in some blanks rather than spelling it out for you. It's more art than product, more having you make your own conclusion rather than spoon-feeding you a message. That was, for me personally, the first movie that really distinguished the craft of moviemaking from something like "Independence Day".

P@t_Mtl · 12-10-2009, 07:31 PM

bull____....just fill in the rest in your mind.

Sith · 12-10-2009, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeremy1983

Is there a movie(s) that you think separates cinephiles from average movie goers? I know that film is subjective and everyone has the right to their own opinion, blah blah blah. But in YOUR opinion, if someone doesn't like a particular film, are you convinced that he/she simply doesn't appreciate the art of filmmaking?

For me, it's There Will Be Blood. If you hated TWBB, you were most likely expecting to see explosions, boobies, and fast cars... not that there's necessarily anything wrong with those

Totally agree, I think TWBB was probably the best acting performance since Anthony Hopkins in Silence of the Lambs...And the movie was by far the best
that came out that year...Shame it didn't win best picture....

All right guys off to Panda to get some lunch

Monkey · 12-10-2009, 07:33 PM

Event Horizon

Terjyn · 12-10-2009, 07:34 PM

I disagree with the whole topic, and 2001 is a good example why.

I have a lot of respect for Kubrik, and love the concept of what he tried for in 2001.

I still don't like the movie.

Liking something, and understanding/respecting something, are not the same thing.

On the inverse side, I kinda like Bad Boys, but don't respect it at all from a film-making standpoint, so it does work both ways.

repete66211 · 12-10-2009, 07:36 PM

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For me, it's There Will Be Blood. If you hated TWBB, you were most likely expecting to see explosions, boobies, and fast cars... not that there's necessarily anything wrong with those

I'm not the type who says, "If you don't like ______ you suck." I'm the type who says, "If you like ______ you suck." To steal an Ebert quote from one of the members of this site, "Those who think Transformers [II] is a great or even a good film are, may I tactfully suggest, not sufficiently evolved. Film by film, I hope they climb a personal ladder into the realm of better films, until their standards improve." In this instance Transformers II is named, but any number of other movies would substitute.

I liked There Will Be Blood, despite of rather than because of PTA, who in my opinion is an overrated (there I said it) director. It was a good story, it looked fantastic and DDL is among the best, but PTA confuses audience torture gimmicks with dramatic conflict a little too often to be what I would call a Great Director.

Fighter · 12-10-2009, 07:38 PM

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Lady in the Water....ouch!!!

Couldn't even finish it.

CZAR · 12-10-2009, 07:39 PM

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Yes sir! Very underrated film! M. Night's best film in my eyes! I love the whole direction of the film! Got Em!!

Fighter · 12-10-2009, 07:42 PM

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Yes sir! Very underrated film! M. Night's best film in my eyes! I love the whole direction of the film! Got Em!!

I liked M. Knight's Signs and Unbreakable

CZAR · 12-10-2009, 07:45 PM

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I liked M. Knight's Signs and Unbreakable

Oh I loved both Unbreakable and Signs as well! No knock on them at all! But most people love those 2 so thats why I didnt bring those 2 up! Got Em!!

goochspot · 12-10-2009, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by repete66211

I'm not the type who says, "If you don't like ______ you suck." I'm the type who says, "If you like ______ you suck." To steal an Ebert quote from one of the members of this site, "Those who think Transformers [II] is a great or even a good film are, may I tactfully suggest, not sufficiently evolved. Film by film, I hope they climb a personal ladder into the realm of better films, until their standards improve." In this instance Transformers II is named, but any number of other movies would substitute.

I liked There Will Be Blood, despite of rather than because of PTA, who in my opinion is an overrated (there I said it) director. It was a good story, it looked fantastic and DDL is among the best, but PTA confuses audience torture gimmicks with dramatic conflict a little too often to be what I would call a Great Director.

+1 with your approach!

Also, very interesting opinion on PTA. He's one of my favorites and I've never thought he used gimmicks in lieu of dramatic conflict. When I revisit his films when they're released on Blu, I'll keep that observation in the back of my mind. Could you please give some examples of why you believe he does this?

surfdude12 · 12-10-2009, 07:47 PM

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I still don't like the movie.

Liking something, and understanding/respecting something, are not the same thing.

it depends: you can understand a film and not like it. however the negative is not true: you can't not understand a film and not like it. if i watch a film in japanese audio (that i dont understand) instead of english, can i legitimately say it sucks? based on what? what sucks? in that case, what sucks is my misunderstanding, not the film.

2001 isn't meant to be understood, yet many make the mistake that it must be or that there is some character-driven plot that isnt there, hence create needless frustration.

12-10-2009, 07:15 PM	#1
Jeremy1983 Senior Member Member since:Aug 2008 Location:Laguna Beach, CA Blu-ray collection:140 Trading Score:4	If You Don't Like ___ , You Don't Like film Filmmaking Is there a movie(s) that you think separates cinephiles from average movie goers? I know that film is subjective and everyone has the right to their own opinion, blah blah blah. But in YOUR opinion, if someone doesn't like a particular film, are you convinced that he/she simply doesn't appreciate the art of filmmaking? For me, it's There Will Be Blood. If you hated TWBB, you were most likely expecting to see explosions, boobies, and fast cars... not that there's necessarily anything wrong with those

12-10-2009, 07:17 PM	#3
surfdude12 Blu-ray Knight Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Club Loop Blu-ray collection:343 Blu-ray reviews:112 Trading Score:1	2001 +1 on TWBB Last edited by surfdude12; 12-10-2009 at 07:19 PM.

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12-10-2009, 07:15 PM	#2
Rblu-Dblu Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Mar 2009 Location:Trapped on the Death Star 4K collection:4 Blu-ray collection:483 Trading Score:12	The Godfather.

12-10-2009, 07:20 PM	#5
Fighter Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Oct 2009 Location:☣☣☣☣☣ Blu-ray collection:14	Also, *One flew over the Cuckoo's Nest*

12-10-2009, 07:22 PM	#6
CZAR Blu-ray Prince Member since:Jul 2009 Location:Camp Crystal lake 4K collection:72 Blu-ray collection:312 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:75	Off the top I would say: Lady in the Water The Village Pulp Fiction Got Em!!

12-10-2009, 07:23 PM	#7
Batman1980 Blu-ray Jedi Member since:Feb 2009 Location:District 13 Home Theater Gallery:8 4K collection:146 Blu-ray collection:394 DVD collection:57 Blu-ray reviews:22 Trading Score:48	Bit extreme to make that kind of claim but I have to go with...A New Hope.

12-10-2009, 07:25 PM	#9
Erik E. Erik Active Member Member since:Feb 2009 Home Theater Gallery:27 4K collection:62 Blu-ray collection:585 DVD collection:16	"2001." It tells its story through images rather than some narrator describing on-screen events, and asks you to fill in some blanks rather than spelling it out for you. It's more art than product, more having you make your own conclusion rather than spoon-feeding you a message. That was, for me personally, the first movie that really distinguished the craft of moviemaking from something like "Independence Day".

12-10-2009, 07:31 PM	#10
P@t_Mtl Blu-ray Duke Member since:Sep 2008 Location:Montreal Home Theater Gallery:4 Blu-ray collection:452 DVD collection:513 Trading Score:3	bull____....just fill in the rest in your mind.

12-10-2009, 07:33 PM	#12
Monkey Blu-ray Knight Member since:Sep 2006 Trading Score:31	Event Horizon

12-10-2009, 07:34 PM	#13
Terjyn Blu-ray Knight Member since:Jul 2007 Blu-ray collection:122	I disagree with the whole topic, and 2001 is a good example why. I have a lot of respect for Kubrik, and love the concept of what he tried for in 2001. I still don't like the movie. Liking something, and understanding/respecting something, are not the same thing. On the inverse side, I kinda like Bad Boys, but don't respect it at all from a film-making standpoint, so it does work both ways.

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