Yamaha RX-V665 Receiver Thread - Blu-ray Forum

grantellis · 01-27-2010, 09:10 PM

Yamaha RX-V665 Receiver

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Have read alot but have a simple question to start. Correct me if I am crossways please. A codec is what code the disc was created in? Example: I have a bluray that says DLC surround (codec) and thru research found I should playback in nero 6 on the reciever. (decoder). Thanks, Grant.

beefytwinkie · 01-27-2010, 10:14 PM

What is DLC surround? Is that what the back of the blu-ray case says? What blu-ray are you referring to?

When I watch movies on my RX-V765 (pretty much the same as the RX-V665) I usually let the receiver decode whatever is coming in through Straight. Usually it's Dolby, DTS, or PCM. DLC surround doesn't sound familiar at all unless that's something new I never heard about.

callas01 · 01-27-2010, 10:15 PM

Most of the time the codecs are being reffered to are Dolby Digital True HD, or Dolby Digital EX, dts ES, dts HD Master Audio, etc.

grantellis · 01-27-2010, 11:33 PM

I apoligize as I am a newbie. The Blu Ray disc was Eric Clapton and Steve Winwood. It said on the disc "DTS surround " which from my reading is a 2 channel disc/ codec ? If I set my reciever to Straight I only get 2 channels. ( (BDP set to bitsream audiophile) I read that if I wanted 5.1 surround to set my reciever to NEO 6. Thank You for being patient and answering me. I have read my manual 5 times and read countless posts on the forum trying to both educate myself and not ask dumb questions. Grant.

grantellis · 01-28-2010, 12:00 AM

Anyone else have a Yamaha 665? Do you like it? Thanks ,Grant.

BigRedEE · 01-28-2010, 12:55 AM

I have one...well, a generation older...and am very happy with it. My only three negatives are:

- There is talk that the receiver does not handle deep blacks (and maybe other dark colors) very well; but I have not noticed it, probably because I do not have anything else with which to compare.

- I still have a minor HDMI handshake issue with the receiver (i think that's the problem) where the sound and/or video cuts out randomly every once in a while but just for a moment of two. I honestly am beginning to think that it is the cheap HDMI cables i bought haha, not saying I am gonna get monster cables

just that maybe some monoprice cables are needed.

- No way to matrix DTS-Master Audio (lossless codec on some blurays) from 5.1 to 7.1 (to send sound to all my 7 speakers) if the receiver is also doing the decoding. But fortunately my BD player can decode them and then the receiver can matrix up the sound.

Other than that I really do love it. Sorry i wrote so much...let us know how it all turns out or any other questions you might have

Underworld54 · 01-28-2010, 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedEE

I have one...well, a generation older...and am very happy with it. My only three negatives are:

- There is talk that the receiver does not handle deep blacks (and maybe other dark colors) very well; but I have not noticed it, probably because I do not have anything else with which to compare.

- I still have a minor HDMI handshake issue with the receiver (i think that's the problem) where the sound and/or video cuts out randomly every once in a while but just for a moment of two. I honestly am beginning to think that it is the cheap HDMI cables i bought haha, not saying I am gonna get monster cables

just that maybe some monoprice cables are needed.

- No way to matrix DTS-Master Audio (lossless codec on some blurays) from 5.1 to 7.1 (to send sound to all my 7 speakers) if the receiver is also doing the decoding. But fortunately my BD player can decode them and then the receiver can matrix up the sound.

Other than that I really do love it. Sorry i wrote so much...let us know how it all turns out or any other questions you might have

Careful with what you are saying. You currently have the RX-V663 which is not the previous generation of the RX-V665. The RX-V765 is more like the current generation of the RX-V663.

grantellis · 01-28-2010, 01:52 AM

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I apoligize as I am a newbie. The Blu Ray disc was Eric Clapton and Steve Winwood. It said on the disc "DTS surround " which from my reading is a 2 channel disc/ codec ? If I set my reciever to Straight I only get 2 channels. ( (BDP set to bitsream audiophile) I read that if I wanted 5.1 surround to set my reciever to NEO 6. Thank You for being patient and answering me. I have read my manual 5 times and read countless posts on the forum trying to both educate myself and not ask dumb questions. Grant.

beefytwinkie · 01-28-2010, 02:26 AM

Grant, you can use Neo:6 to get a "fake" 5.1 sound out of a two-channel source. It uses algorithms or what not to create a 5.1 experience though I'm pretty sure I'm using all the wrong terms to describe it.

I've used Neo:6 before when I listened to some two channel music and it's pretty okay though I personally always prefer to listen to anything I have on "normal". That is, none of that matrix stuff.

Here is the link to Neo:6 straight from the source if you want to check it out:
http://www.dts.com/DTS_Audio_Formats...DTS_Neo_6.aspx

grantellis · 01-28-2010, 02:50 AM

Thank You Beefytwinkie, This helps. Let me ask more. I went to your link and read it.
Basic DTS surround sounds like early DTS in PCM. Is this correct? That is what Eric Clapton/Steve Winwood BD live at madison.... says the audio format is. I have my BDP set at Bitstream (audiophile) output. Is this why my reciever only shows 2 channels unless I use NEO 6? Thank You, Grant.

beefytwinkie · 01-28-2010, 03:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grantellis

Thank You Beefytwinkie, This helps. Let me ask more. I went to your link and read it.
Basic DTS surround sounds like early DTS in PCM. Is this correct? That is what Eric Clapton/Steve Winwood BD live at madison.... says the audio format is. I have my BDP set at Bitstream (audiophile) output. Is this why my reciever only shows 2 channels unless I use NEO 6? Thank You, Grant.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by "Basic DTS surround sounds like early DTS in PCM".

Anyway, your player is set to bitstream which is fine. The reason you're getting two-channel audio is because your receiver is processing the audio exactly the way it's being sent from the player to the receiver. You can use Neo:6 to matrix the LPCM stereo track into 5.1 if you really want to. However, on the disc should also be a 5.1 DTS mix. If you choose that, your receiver will play that back as 5.1 without any need for Neo:6's matrixing.

Listen to both the LPCM stereo track (with or without Neo:6 is up to you) as well as the DTS track and see which one you like better.

I hope this helps.

grantellis · 01-28-2010, 03:53 AM

Thanks again, On my reciever I do not have 5.1 DTS Mix. My disc says DTS digital. When reading about DTS Digital I beleive they are saying it is an older version of DTS?? Thank You, Grant.

grantellis · 01-28-2010, 04:00 AM

My manual says I have the following Decoders: Pro Logic
PLIIx Movie, PLII Movie, PLIIx Music, PLII Music, PLIIx Game, PLII Game, NEO 6Cin, NEO 6 Music, Neural Surround. High Resolution sources are played back in straight, True HD etc. Thanks, Grant

beefytwinkie · 01-28-2010, 04:01 AM

Your receiver should say DTS when you send a DTS signal to it. On the display of your receiver, you should also see the five corresponding speaker icons light up.

I'm not sure if there is an "older version" of DTS. I think the DTS codec is just the DTS codec. Either way, your receiver will be able to decode it without any problems.

When I listen to a DTS track on my Yamaha RX-V765, the word DTS pops up on my receiver display as well as the five speakers and subwoofer icons. My receiver does not say "DTS Digital". It just says DTS. Your 665 is pretty much the same as my 765 so it should function the same way.

grantellis · 01-28-2010, 04:03 AM

On the audio selection the 2 choices are: Stereo 2 channel and DTS.

MrFattBill · 01-28-2010, 04:11 AM

Stereo will give you 2 channel playback and DTS will give you 5.1 I would just hit the "Pure Direct" button on your Yamaha remote and pick which ever track you wish to listen to via the disc menu.

Bill

Johnny Vinyl · 01-28-2010, 04:13 AM

The LPCM 2.0 track is better than the DTS 5.1 track on this disc.

John

grantellis · 01-28-2010, 04:47 AM

I can only get 5.1 if I decode with nero6 otherwise only 2 channel no matter what settings I use on receiver or player. Tried other BD discs and looked at input signal as Beef told me and they tell me what I want to see (what I picked on the audio selection on BD) Moody Blues and ZZ top are the only 2 I tried but they worked perfect. Just not Eric and Steve. Thanks for help. Grant.

grantellis · 01-28-2010, 04:48 AM

Beef, Do you ever get crackling on center speaker that volume will not turn down?

MrFattBill · 01-28-2010, 05:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grantellis

I can only get 5.1 if I decode with nero6 otherwise only 2 channel no matter what settings I use on receiver or player. Tried other BD discs and looked at input signal as Beef told me and they tell me what I want to see (what I picked on the audio selection on BD) Moody Blues and ZZ top are the only 2 I tried but they worked perfect. Just not Eric and Steve. Thanks for help. Grant.

Very odd indeed. I leave my PS3 in LPCM since it's a launch system and it can't bitstream. I just run my 665 in "Pure Direct" mode.

Bill

01-27-2010, 09:10 PM	#1
grantellis Junior Member Member since:Jan 2010 Location:Kremmling, CO	Yamaha RX-V665 Receiver Thread Yamaha RX-V665 Receiver yamaha_rx_v665-400-400 THREAD.jpg Have read alot but have a simple question to start. Correct me if I am crossways please. A codec is what code the disc was created in? Example: I have a bluray that says DLC surround (codec) and thru research found I should playback in nero 6 on the reciever. (decoder). Thanks, Grant. Last edited by Blu Titan; 06-03-2010 at 12:12 AM.

01-27-2010, 11:33 PM	#4
grantellis Junior Member Member since:Jan 2010 Location:Kremmling, CO	Dts I apoligize as I am a newbie. The Blu Ray disc was Eric Clapton and Steve Winwood. It said on the disc "DTS surround " which from my reading is a 2 channel disc/ codec ? If I set my reciever to Straight I only get 2 channels. ( (BDP set to bitsream audiophile) I read that if I wanted 5.1 surround to set my reciever to NEO 6. Thank You for being patient and answering me. I have read my manual 5 times and read countless posts on the forum trying to both educate myself and not ask dumb questions. Grant.

01-28-2010, 12:00 AM	#5
grantellis Junior Member Member since:Jan 2010 Location:Kremmling, CO	receiver Anyone else have a Yamaha 665? Do you like it? Thanks ,Grant.

01-28-2010, 01:52 AM	#8
grantellis Junior Member Member since:Jan 2010 Location:Kremmling, CO	dts Dts -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I apoligize as I am a newbie. The Blu Ray disc was Eric Clapton and Steve Winwood. It said on the disc "DTS surround " which from my reading is a 2 channel disc/ codec ? If I set my reciever to Straight I only get 2 channels. ( (BDP set to bitsream audiophile) I read that if I wanted 5.1 surround to set my reciever to NEO 6. Thank You for being patient and answering me. I have read my manual 5 times and read countless posts on the forum trying to both educate myself and not ask dumb questions. Grant.

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01-27-2010, 10:14 PM	#2
beefytwinkie Blu-ray Guru Member since:Oct 2008 4K collection:13 Blu-ray collection:459 Trading Score:6	What is DLC surround? Is that what the back of the blu-ray case says? What blu-ray are you referring to? When I watch movies on my RX-V765 (pretty much the same as the RX-V665) I usually let the receiver decode whatever is coming in through Straight. Usually it's Dolby, DTS, or PCM. DLC surround doesn't sound familiar at all unless that's something new I never heard about.

01-27-2010, 10:15 PM	#3
callas01 Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Jun 2008 Location:Riverside, CA Home Theater Gallery:42 Blu-ray collection:230 DVD collection:47	Most of the time the codecs are being reffered to are Dolby Digital True HD, or Dolby Digital EX, dts ES, dts HD Master Audio, etc.

01-28-2010, 12:55 AM	#6
BigRedEE Member Member since:Dec 2008 Blu-ray collection:15	I have one...well, a generation older...and am very happy with it. My only three negatives are: - There is talk that the receiver does not handle deep blacks (and maybe other dark colors) very well; but I have not noticed it, probably because I do not have anything else with which to compare. - I still have a minor HDMI handshake issue with the receiver (i think that's the problem) where the sound and/or video cuts out randomly every once in a while but just for a moment of two. I honestly am beginning to think that it is the cheap HDMI cables i bought haha, not saying I am gonna get monster cables just that maybe some monoprice cables are needed. - No way to matrix DTS-Master Audio (lossless codec on some blurays) from 5.1 to 7.1 (to send sound to all my 7 speakers) if the receiver is also doing the decoding. But fortunately my BD player can decode them and then the receiver can matrix up the sound. Other than that I really do love it. Sorry i wrote so much...let us know how it all turns out or any other questions you might have

01-28-2010, 02:26 AM	#9
beefytwinkie Blu-ray Guru Member since:Oct 2008 4K collection:13 Blu-ray collection:459 Trading Score:6	Grant, you can use Neo:6 to get a "fake" 5.1 sound out of a two-channel source. It uses algorithms or what not to create a 5.1 experience though I'm pretty sure I'm using all the wrong terms to describe it. I've used Neo:6 before when I listened to some two channel music and it's pretty okay though I personally always prefer to listen to anything I have on "normal". That is, none of that matrix stuff. Here is the link to Neo:6 straight from the source if you want to check it out: http://www.dts.com/DTS_Audio_Formats...DTS_Neo_6.aspx

01-28-2010, 02:50 AM	#10
grantellis Junior Member Member since:Jan 2010 Location:Kremmling, CO	Thank You Beefytwinkie, This helps. Let me ask more. I went to your link and read it. Basic DTS surround sounds like early DTS in PCM. Is this correct? That is what Eric Clapton/Steve Winwood BD live at madison.... says the audio format is. I have my BDP set at Bitstream (audiophile) output. Is this why my reciever only shows 2 channels unless I use NEO 6? Thank You, Grant.

01-28-2010, 03:53 AM	#12
grantellis Junior Member Member since:Jan 2010 Location:Kremmling, CO	Thanks again, On my reciever I do not have 5.1 DTS Mix. My disc says DTS digital. When reading about DTS Digital I beleive they are saying it is an older version of DTS?? Thank You, Grant.

01-28-2010, 04:00 AM	#13
grantellis Junior Member Member since:Jan 2010 Location:Kremmling, CO	My manual says I have the following Decoders: Pro Logic PLIIx Movie, PLII Movie, PLIIx Music, PLII Music, PLIIx Game, PLII Game, NEO 6Cin, NEO 6 Music, Neural Surround. High Resolution sources are played back in straight, True HD etc. Thanks, Grant

01-28-2010, 04:01 AM	#14
beefytwinkie Blu-ray Guru Member since:Oct 2008 4K collection:13 Blu-ray collection:459 Trading Score:6	Your receiver should say DTS when you send a DTS signal to it. On the display of your receiver, you should also see the five corresponding speaker icons light up. I'm not sure if there is an "older version" of DTS. I think the DTS codec is just the DTS codec. Either way, your receiver will be able to decode it without any problems. When I listen to a DTS track on my Yamaha RX-V765, the word DTS pops up on my receiver display as well as the five speakers and subwoofer icons. My receiver does not say "DTS Digital". It just says DTS. Your 665 is pretty much the same as my 765 so it should function the same way.

01-28-2010, 04:03 AM	#15
grantellis Junior Member Member since:Jan 2010 Location:Kremmling, CO	On the audio selection the 2 choices are: Stereo 2 channel and DTS.

01-28-2010, 04:11 AM	#16
MrFattBill Blu-ray Ninja Top ranked HT gallery Top contributor Member since:Aug 2009 Location:jO-hio Home Theater Gallery:206 Blu-ray collection:578 Trading Score:5	Stereo will give you 2 channel playback and DTS will give you 5.1 I would just hit the "Pure Direct" button on your Yamaha remote and pick which ever track you wish to listen to via the disc menu. Bill

01-28-2010, 04:13 AM	#17
Johnny Vinyl Moderator Top ranked HT gallery Top contributor Member since:Jul 2007 Location:At the crossroad of Analogue Dr & 2CH Ave Home Theater Gallery:19 Blu-ray collection:205 DVD collection:7 Blu-ray reviews:3 Trading Score:8	The LPCM 2.0 track is better than the DTS 5.1 track on this disc. John

01-28-2010, 04:47 AM	#18
grantellis Junior Member Member since:Jan 2010 Location:Kremmling, CO	I can only get 5.1 if I decode with nero6 otherwise only 2 channel no matter what settings I use on receiver or player. Tried other BD discs and looked at input signal as Beef told me and they tell me what I want to see (what I picked on the audio selection on BD) Moody Blues and ZZ top are the only 2 I tried but they worked perfect. Just not Eric and Steve. Thanks for help. Grant.

01-28-2010, 04:48 AM	#19
grantellis Junior Member Member since:Jan 2010 Location:Kremmling, CO	Beef, Do you ever get crackling on center speaker that volume will not turn down?

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