Toshiba HD DVD Burners fail to meet their own specs...

[MozartMan]

Was posted on AVS:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=911938

Toshiba HD DVD Burners fail to meet their own specs...

Via highdef digest forum:

dolphinius rex writes:

[joeorc]

i love the response to this news on AVS most of the PRO HD DVD anti-blu-ray supporters are brushing this off like it does not matter or something. like one of the HD DVD supporters stated "i hope there is no HD DVD burners only ROM drives"..you know i hope so too that way The Absorbtion of HD DVD by Blu-Ray will happen faster.

[dialog_gvf]

Wow, coaster city.

And, to add to the fun: No HD DVD-RW.

Gary

[aristotles]

Originally Posted by joeorc

i love the response to this news on AVS most of the PRO HD DVD anti-blu-ray supporters are brushing this off like it does not matter or something. like one of the HD DVD supporters stated "i hope there is no HD DVD burners only ROM drives"..you know i hope so too that way The Absorbtion of HD DVD by Blu-Ray will happen faster.

First they say "30 GB is big enough", then they say "lossy audio is good enough", then "disc recording camcorders don't matter" and now "burners don't matter"?

Talk about delusional eh?

[jason_grumpy]

Originally Posted by MozartMan

Was posted on AVS:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=911938

So much for the cheaper media theory. Sure.. I can buy 50 hd-dvd's for a few dollars cheaper, but more than half will be coasters.

Way to go HD-DVD. You just alienated the computer market.

[joeorc]

Originally Posted by aristotles

First they say "30 GB is big enough", then they say "lossy audio is good enough", then "disc recording camcorders don't matter" and now "burners don't matter"?

Talk about delusional eh?

o'l and disc scratch resistance coating does not matter, or THE Blu-Ray format is a unfinished format..that's the ONE that they need to shut up about because the Blu-Ray format is more finished than HD DVD. its only just the interactive SOFTWARE of BD-J is not as fine tuned as IHD...right now..big whoop..the interactive software is just as good as DVD what we have been in use for years already...

people just want for the majority is to stick the disc in and watch the d@mn MOVIE.
something Blu-Ray does very well.

[w_tanoto]

hahaha.... they said BD is unfinished product. Who is the unfinished product now???
No HD DVD-RW, while BD has it (RW is very impotant for me)

[MozartMan]

Here is more info.

Posted by MediumRare on CDRlabs.com forum:

The latest issue of c't (No. 20/2007, available now in Europe) has a look at the first HD-DVD burner available: the Toshiba SD-L902A.

This drive is atypical, in that it's a slim line (notebook) drive and only available in some top of the line Toshiba notebooks- you'd be hard pressed to get one without that "packaging". Furthermore, it's a 1x burner and takes over 56 min for a SL disc (15 GiB) and more than 114 min. for a DL disc (28 GiB).
...
Frankly, this drive is less than impressive- slow, expensive, poor quality burns and hard to get. And this more than a year after BluRay burners became readily available!

Unless something drastic happens, HD-DVD burners are dead. Maybe that's another reason some studios are plugging this format exclusively?

http://www.cdrlabs.com/forum/viewtop...=170049#170049

[MrBogey]

fwiw..they nuked the thread at AVS. Apparently the discussion of HD DVD hardware defects isn't allowed.

[aristotles]

Originally Posted by MrBogey

fwiw..they nuked the thread at AVS. Apparently the discussion of HD DVD hardware defects isn't allowed.

I cannot believe they nuked the thread. They are trying to hide information from people. If a thread gets out of hand, lock it.

David Bott is a lying son of a *****. He claims that his site is neutral but these types of actions are absolute proof that all of his staff are on the take from the Toshiba-MSFT Mafia.

[GaS]

We should just keep creating threads on the subject.

[w_tanoto]

Originally Posted by GaS

We should just keep creating threads on the subject.

shall I put this to wikipedia??

[WriteSimply]

Originally Posted by w_tanoto

shall I put this to wikipedia??

Sure. Open a new entry under AVS. I'm sure the owners will be rightfully pleased.


fuad

[Rio]

This result simply shows the fact that HD DVD's optical system has not enough margin (very little sweet spot) to record accurate signal on the disc, and this is the reason why virtually all of optical drive vendors chose BD many years ago as the next gen optical disc.

FYI: at least in Japan, no body rely on Toshiba's drive quality, even Toshiba itself ... years ago, Toshiba started their DVD recorder products utilizing Matsushita's drives, and years after, they adopted Toshiba drive for some recorders, but since there were so many problems happened with those units and many consumers complained about that, Toshiba gave up using Toshiba drive since then ...

[Hussla]

THE AVSforum thread is hilarious, some are going as far to say that the article is in fact a fake and a BD forgery haha hahaha

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post11694958

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9#post11694969

[MozartMan]

Originally Posted by MrBogey

fwiw..they nuked the thread at AVS. Apparently the discussion of HD DVD hardware defects isn't allowed.

WOW! They brought that thread back from the dead!

[MozartMan]

Another bit on info from Japan.

Originally Posted by Neo1965

In case anyone wants to know, I went through Akihabara in Tokyo and just got back home. Again, no HD DVD burner, lots of BD burners. One change though is that there is now a HD DVD-R and HD DVD-R DL on sale (made by Mitsubishi). Wish I brought my camera, but the two boxes of loose HD DVD-R looked really lonely surrounded by about a couple of dozen boxes BD-R. BD-RE, DL BD-R, DL BD-RE from JVC, Panasonic, TDK, Sony, Fuji, Mitsubishi and others.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0#post11702110

[w_tanoto]

Originally Posted by MozartMan

Another bit on info from Japan.




http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0#post11702110

not surprised. Japan is 94.8% BD

[Hussla]

Originally Posted by MozartMan

Another bit on info from Japan.




http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0#post11702110

I can personally vouch for that, I was in Akihabra in January and all I saw was Blu-ray burners and other blu-ray stuff....not a trace of HD-DVD.

Even at the arean where they hold Sumo wrestling, there were plenty of LCD's and plasmas on display all with Panasonic BD players hooked up

[w_tanoto]

Originally Posted by Hussla

I can personally vouch for that, I was in Akihabra in January and all I saw was Blu-ray burners and other blu-ray stuff....not a trace of HD-DVD.

Even at the arean where they hold Sumo wrestling, there were plenty of LCD's and plasmas on display all with Panasonic BD players hooked up

Look at this August amazon japan ranking, which counts all of its products:
BD is in most of the time, DVD is rarely seen, HD DVD???? NONE

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/bdhdship/