Supporters Of Both Blu and HD Prolonging War

[jayd]

My question is this. Are supporters who purchase both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD prolonging the war even further by puchasing both ? Now I do understand that some people want the benefit of buying their fave movies on HDM, and in doing so need to have both format players, and I am not slating anyone for that. But I too want the movies that are only released on HD-DVD, and if I go out and buy a HD-DVD player and purchae HD-DVD movies, I can't see companies like Warner, Universal going Blu anytime soon, as they are selling HD-DVD media. Now if people supported just one format, and original Blu supporters went back to Blu only, we may see this silly format war over sooner than later. But whilst companies are selling HD-DVD media, they won't shift. That's why I will only support Blu, and hold out on hope, that one day, Blu will prevail, and HD-DVD supporting companies, will shift to Blu. This IMHO.

[lokus]

I don't think you would see a major problem with format neutrality until the average consumers adopt HDM. I think early adopters should stand by one format but I don't know if their format neutrality will really make a huge difference in the decisions of studios.

[reiella]

Sorta, but well. The numbers aren't really there yet.

There aren't that many (thanks in part to how alot of the Blu-Ray players are PS3 users, and the 360 Add-on accounts for alot of HD-DVD players).

It can delay it, but really the segment you're looking at isn't that big, it's the natural course of consumers as a whole that's important. Which is why the studio support is really so critical, since that's what the consumer sees and buys.

[GTP]

Let me first state that I had hd dvd before it was officially launched.
I also bought a second player in June of 06.
I sold both players and 24 movies because all the first dud players were a functioning nightmare.

Having said that, I bought BD only since August 06.

Anyone who owns both knows that BD has far less playback problems as well as far more HD audio support and that BD has more software sales worldwide.

I think that we should take matters into our own hands and buy BD only in an effort to force the studios to pick the superior format.
Dragging out the format war at this point isn't going to get the masses involved, and unfortunately they are more important than early adopters/enthusiast that are buying now as far as long term HDM sucess goes.

I beleive that buying both will keep them nitchie until downloads take over....plain and simple.
Pick a side or be part of the problem I say.

[NutsAboutPS3]

Originally Posted by GTP

I beleive that buying both will keep them nitchie until downloads take over....plain and simple.
Pick a side or be part of the problem I say.

I agree, a quick survey of my work colleagues the other day showed that there is no way any of them are buying into either format until the war is over and there is just one format. They simply didn't consider it an option to buy until then, and most of the population will feel the same way.

It's no good having sales trundle along at 60+ BD : 30+ HD, that isn't sufficient dominance, we need to get it up to 80-90 BD week after week. This is only going to happen if we all completely reject the other format.

[Anthony P]

I think they do, but obviously not as much as the HD DVD fanboys / apologists that post BS all over the place to con others.

[Lord_Stewie]

Originally Posted by jayd

My question is this. Are supporters who purchase both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD prolonging the war even further by puchasing both ? Now I do understand that some people want the benefit of buying their fave movies on HDM, and in doing so need to have both format players, and I am not slating anyone for that. But I too want the movies that are only released on HD-DVD, and if I go out and buy a HD-DVD player and purchae HD-DVD movies, I can't see companies like Warner, Universal going Blu anytime soon, as they are selling HD-DVD media. Now if people supported just one format, and original Blu supporters went back to Blu only, we may see this silly format war over sooner than later. But whilst companies are selling HD-DVD media, they won't shift. That's why I will only support Blu, and hold out on hope, that one day, Blu will prevail, and HD-DVD supporting companies, will shift to Blu. This IMHO.

the answer to my opinion would be yes/no. yes, because they are contributing sales to hddvd. no, because it doesn't matter. BD still beat the crap out of HDDVD sales. So i wouldn't worry.

[vanstone]

I had planned on getting both but since i have been on this forum I decided to go Blu only.

[Beta-guy]

I am an early adopter, I'm Blu-ray only not because I couldn't afford HD-DVD as well, but I knew if one format is going to win I'd have to pick one format and stick with it, at the start I bought DVD's of movie I couldn't get on Blu-ray, it will hurt the HD-DVD format as you'd see in weekly neilsen/videoscan report, but I gave that up for 3 reasons.

1. I'd likely end up buying the BD version once it came to BD no point in buy the movie twice.

2. the money goes to the studio that supports HD-DVD, tho not directly supporting the format it'll give more resource for them to fight the format war.

3. upscaling, it's a nice feature but it'll never be as good as true 1080P movies.

so I limit myself to BD only and TBH I'm not missing that much I goto the theater once a week, and we are getting great movies on BD. I say live in blu.

[BTBuck1]

As diehard as I am (or feel I am) toward Blu-ray, I feel that my enjoyment of HDM comes before anything else. It's an unforunate state of affairs when someone who is a movie lover such as myself is either forced to buy two formats, or as many of you here are...forced to make a decision to do without a great deal of movies you'd otherwise buy if there were but one format.

I go about things this way:

With Blu-ray Discs, I will blind buy movies I've heard are good or look good.
With HDDVD's I have to know it's good, Have seen it, read the review, etc.

I buy ALL dual format releases on Blu-ray despite "special" features included on HDDVD. I even bought the titles such as Happy feet on Blu-ray that had Lossy audio vs. Lossless, for 4 reasons:

1) I am not paying for DVD side if I don't have to. I really dislike ComboFormat

2) Reliability. My BD players play the movies, everytime without hiccups.
Or boiling discs.

3) 1080p output to my 1080p TV's. MY HDDVD players only support 1080i output.

4) I <3 Blu-ray I have more faith in the format and want to invest as little as I can if possible in Brick colored media.

I have kept my HDDVD purchases mainly to Universal Titles, Weinstein, Paramount Now, (though I have way more BD paramount titles) And titles from WB that weren't available for BD with no release date pending at time of purchase.

All other media I purchase EXCLUSIVELY on Blu-ray disc.
I have completely stopped DVD purchases for atleast 2 years now.

My current Collection count is:
113 Blu-ray Discs vs. 60 HDDVD's.

By the end of the 4th Quarter it will be:
150 Blu-ray disc vs. 73 HDDVD's

So I am atleast helping to keep the 2:1 sales ratio going

I have said this before and I'll say it again. The sooner the BD assocciation opens up their wallet and ends this, the sooner I can stop forcing my hand to buy movies in a format I don't want to have to own. If Universal started making blu-ray discs tomorrow I'd never buy a Uni HDDVD again, or any other studio who makes Blu too for that matter. But in the meantime, I got in the door of HDDVD cheap, so I will substitute those otherwise blank spots in my media rack with dumb red cases and hope for a day I can look across and see nothing but Blue!

In the meantime, I respect those of you who have the discipline to stick with only Blu-ray...you guys get mass respect from me, and are real troopers!

[Bombthroat]

Blu-ray is outselling HD DVD by a pretty good amount, but imagine if every person who preferred Blu-ray but went format neutral had purchased a Blu-ray movie in place of the money they spent on HD DVD. The Blu-ray software sales lead would be that much more significant and enticing to studios who are not backing the format yet.

So for me, yes, I think it matters.

[SS316SRV]

It hardly matters at all. Most format neutral buyers buy on blu first. It is only the Universal titles that are keeping HD DVD afloat amongst neutral buyers. Paramount is hardly a blip on the radar right now (I wonder how the shit on their faces feels). I am more than certain that 90% of all dual format Warner releases sold more on Blu than HD DVD.

[BluOgre]

Originally Posted by jayd

My question is this. Are supporters who purchase both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD prolonging the war even further by puchasing both ? Now I do understand that some people want the benefit of buying their fave movies on HDM, and in doing so need to have both format players, and I am not slating anyone for that. But I too want the movies that are only released on HD-DVD, and if I go out and buy a HD-DVD player and purchae HD-DVD movies, I can't see companies like Warner, Universal going Blu anytime soon, as they are selling HD-DVD media. Now if people supported just one format, and original Blu supporters went back to Blu only, we may see this silly format war over sooner than later. But whilst companies are selling HD-DVD media, they won't shift. That's why I will only support Blu, and hold out on hope, that one day, Blu will prevail, and HD-DVD supporting companies, will shift to Blu. This IMHO.

In my opinion buying a few HD titles is not the reason the war will be prolonged.

It's all up to the stuidos. They have all the information they need to make the right business decision. It seems instead of going by the sales data, they are going by $$$$ from both camps.

In the end the only thing that will prolong this war is Warner either staying neutral or going exclusive with HD. If they were to do one of those through 08, the war will not end next year. However if Warner going BR exclusive, the war is offically over. Universal will more than likely go neutral early next year so Warner going BR exclusive could be the tipping point.

[tron3]

A part of me would love Transformers in HD-DVD, but I'd rather get the DVD than spend hundreds for that one movie. Even though, I am DONE with DVD as well.

Fortunately, I only had a small handful of VHS movies I bought on DVD, and am slowly getting on blu-ray. I am done in repurchasing the same title - period. Buying the same blu-ray titles will be the last hurrah for me.

The next format would have to be something really spectactular to get my money a 4th time for the same movie.

[bluskiff]

Any money spent on hddvd only drags out the war the dual format support must stop or we may loose hidef on disc all together.I have friends now waiting to by a player waiting for this war to end.

[PrinceLH]

They do skew the numbers, especially when there is a big HD DVD exclusive coming out. If you want to end this silly war, stop supporting HD DVD!

[SS316SRV]

HOLY GOD!!! The conflict between Blu-ray and HD DVD is not some silly competition. For christ sakes, if you are looking for silly competition, join a raquetball league. If somebody wants to enjoy their home theater, more power to them. If that enjoyment means owning both formats, great. I personally think that HD DVD is a lacking technology that nobody should spend their money on. It goes along with the fear of all technology, obsolescence. HD DVD as a technology is not able to progress with future technologies like recording and advanced home theater settings. If somebody wants to spend an addition $300 on a piece of equipment so they can enjoy their home theater right now, how they want, great. This is not a "war". This is a question of which technology is progressing more, which has more industry support, which technology should survive, and which technology will survive.

[Z-Corp]

It’s all about $$$.....When a neutral individual buys one disc, they’ve given support to HD DVD. I have nothing against folks that enjoy HD media just for the sake thereof, but the bottom line is $$$. It can be argued that the numbers are so small that they don’t matter, but I disagree. Look at the numbers of the “total” discs owned by a neutral (purple) supporter…..Whether they have 1 or 100 HD DVD’s in their collection, regardless of Blu titles, that is support, that is $$$, and that helps keep HD DVD alive.

I say regardless of Blu due to a 1 for 1 comparison being a wash except for instances such as 300, which is not a wash if bought on Blu, being support for Blu was conveyed to the studio.

Here are some ways to stop the money trail for interested purple supporters and hasten the format war:
1) Buy only Blu!
2) Buy SD if not available in Blu…I know it hurts, trust me…think Transformers, Blades of Glory, and Shrek the 3rd. These studios cannot get funding on their HD material. Let them have it in SD but not HD and we’ll win in the Nelsons and other areas.
3) Do not rent HD DVD either….Those funds will go to buy more HD DVD stock and be shown as support for the format.

The bottom line is $$$.......
Purchase + Support = $$$

Please feel free to poke holes in the above or add too.

[SS316SRV]

Originally Posted by Z-Corp

Here are some ways to stop the money trail for interested purple supporters and hasten the format war:
1) Buy only Blu!
2) Buy SD if not available in Blu…I know it hurts, trust me…think Transformers, Blades of Glory, and Shrek the 3rd. These studios cannot get funding on their HD material. Let them have it in SD but not HD and we’ll win in the Nelsons and other areas.
3) Do not rent HD DVD either….Those funds will go to buy more HD DVD stock and be shown as support for the format.

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Wrong. Buying blu is going to help, no doubt. The fewer purchased HD DVD discs the better. Agreed completely. The only way for this war to end is for manufacturers to stop supporting HD DVD. This will happen when the glaring lack of flexibility is shown in the HD DVD format. When computer gurus cannot burn onto an HD DVD disc and have to use Blu-ray. When the 51 GB HD disc is unable to work on current HD DVD players. When software is programmed onto blu-ray because there is more room for a more complete program. This is when blu-ray will win. HD DVD is a home video format only. Blu-ray is a technology that can be incorporated into all kinds of the technology spheres.

[dobyblue]

HD DVD is crap, plain and simple.

I support Blu and the 4th quarter starts tomorrow.

Watch over the next several weeks and by the time CES 2008 comes around you will be laughing at how superior sales of Blu-ray disc players and Blu-ray Disc movies were throughout the next three months over the inferior competitor.