What up with EngadgetHD!!

[rjg]

I mean We won the week, 65:35 and yet their story is how hddvd kept blu-ray from winnng 70:30 again. MMM Blu won, big, again, they story should be " Looks like Disney's titles helped Blu-Ray win another big week"
I am starting to think they are bias or former AVSers

http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/11/16...ding-november/

[xtop]

for as big as the pixar movies are. blu-ray should have won by a lot more. i agree with engadget

[Beta-guy]

sorry for my ignorance, what movies were released last week?

[xtop]

ratatouille and cars were the big hits for that weeks numbers

[Smallville206]

I also agree somewhat. For whatever reason HD-DVD is hanging around and I think just enough to make a studio such as WB hesitate. If we consistently started pulling away winning 70-30, 75-25 or higher there wouldn't be much of a reason to hesitate going exclusive. The fact they have multiple titles in the top ten also makes many retailers believe there is a reason to keep HD-DVD around.
I'm hoping we will see some new trends forming with the increase in PS3's being sold, but HD-DVD is still doing enough in my eyes to give us concern, not that they will win out, but that they will lead to the HD market folding in general as this continues to prolong.

[savage1984]

Look guys, the numbers are reflective of the 90k a2's that were nearly given away with 10 hd movies. If you take that out, it would have been 90-10. So let's wait for the disney/pixar residuals for next week. C'mon. You think the cheap-e's who bought the $98 players are actually going to spend $20 -$25 on hd dvd's. They're probably just using them to upconvert their old dvd's.

Yeah 65-35 wasn't what we expected but it's still kick-ass!

[Smallville206]

All I know is that we are stuck on the 2-1 sales margin, even a consistent 3-1 or higher would be something to be confident about.

[Joe Cain]

The tl51 doesn't yet exist for any practical purpose. Straggling behind a nearly 2:1 frontrunner is not "keeping up."

[Smallville206]

Originally Posted by Joe Cain

The tl51 doesn't yet exist for any practical purpose. Straggling behind a nearly 2:1 frontrunner is not "keeping up."

2-1 would be more impressive if you were talking huge numbers, HD sales number in general are a drop in the bucket. That's why as small as the numbers are in the first place I think having a 3-1 margin or higher is important when you are trying to remove all doubt for retailers and everyone else out there on the fence.
My local Best Buys space for HD-DVDs is growing, pretty much in line with Blu ray, that is not something to be happy about. At a 3-1 margin or higher every single week, retailers would clearly see they are wasting their time with HD-DVD, and that is not happening for the most part. Leaning towards Blu ray is not good enough.

[Joe Cain]

Originally Posted by xtop

2 big pixar movies come out and they keep the lead at roughly 2 to 1. you fanboys just refuse to admit hd dvd isn't going anywhere anytime soon. i dont mean to offend, but its comical how much in denial most of this site is. i'm not saying hd dvd is going to win or anything, but there should be concern imo

I am not a fanboy.

2:1 is just a ratio. The real-world numbers continue to grow, and it will be harder and harder for HD-DVD to surmount that margin of loss the bigger the numbers the grow, even if the ratio stays the same.

If you intend to denigrate other posters, you probably don't belong here.

[Beta-guy]

Originally Posted by xtop

2 big pixar movies come out and they keep the lead at roughly 2 to 1. you fanboys just refuse to admit hd dvd isn't going anywhere anytime soon. i dont mean to offend, but its comical how much in denial most of this site is. i'm not saying hd dvd is going to win or anything, but there should be concern imo

let me ask you something, I think it's getting cleaer you are HD-DVD supporter, do you think Warner will got HD-DVD exclusive or BD exclusive? Why'd you choose HD-DVD and argue in favor of HD-DVD? BD is increasing the sales gap between HD-DVD and BD, look at the sales a few weeks after Paramount switched and look at the sales now... I expect in 6 months time BD will dominate HD-DVD, depending of course how Q4 and Q1 work out

[rjg]

Originally Posted by savage1984

Look guys, the numbers are reflective of the 90k a2's that were nearly given away with 10 hd movies. If you take that out, it would have been 90-10. So let's wait for the disney/pixar residuals for next week. C'mon. You think the cheap-e's who bought the $98 players are actually going to spend $20 -$25 on hd dvd's. They're probably just using them to upconvert their old dvd's.

Yeah 65-35 wasn't what we expected but it's still kick-ass!

This is a good statement, they sold a lot of a2's players and they got 10 movies there. This is only helped them not look TOO bad, but c'mon reality is blu crushed them for the week.

[toocheezy]

Originally Posted by Joe Cain

I am not a fanboy.

2:1 is just a ratio. The real-world numbers continue to grow, and it will be harder and harder for HD-DVD to surmount that margin of loss the bigger the numbers the grow, even if the ratio stays the same.

If you intend to denigrate other posters, you probably don't belong here.

Agreed. What people fail to realize is that the WORLD numbers are crazy. H-dud doesn't stand a chance. the ration in America is 2:1 but does anyone know the ratio for world sales. It has to be atleast 9:1 or greater

[sj001]

Originally Posted by xtop

2 big pixar movies come out and they keep the lead at roughly 2 to 1. you fanboys just refuse to admit hd dvd isn't going anywhere anytime soon. i dont mean to offend, but its comical how much in denial most of this site is. i'm not saying hd dvd is going to win or anything, but there should be concern imo

How is it denial? I'm sorry but the lead has been ALMOST always 2 to 1 or greater? How exactly is that bad?

Jeez, if my team won in football 28-14, would you then say, well, they SHOULD'VE won 42-14, so it isn't much of a win?

[Nicadian]

Vin disel siad the best on the fast and the furious. "A win is a win, no matter if it is by 10 seconds or by 1".

[Imakida]

We have also to admit that Ratatouille and Cars sales were disspointing. If Rats sold 150 and cars 50k, the ratio would have been much better.

[Spankey]

This is worse than politics. People are now winning by losing. How you have almost a sustained year of LOSING week after week and still try to spin victory is silly.

[E-Dogg]

Originally Posted by xtop

for as big as the pixar movies are. blu-ray should have won by a lot more. i agree with engadget

Toshiba put their crappy players out there and the ignorantant cheap masses flocked to their desparate attempts to hang on. You agree with engadget? Oh please you should be thinking how we have won every week this entire year and not on how much we won by. 65%-35% is huge and we destroyed them regardless. A win is a win whether it's by 1 point or 50 points. Engadget is a HD-DVD biased site just like highdefdigest.com and any way you try to spin it Blu is winning period. They need to suck it up and take a loss like a man.

[SpikesBluBlooded]

Originally Posted by xtop

2 big pixar movies come out and they keep the lead at roughly 2 to 1. you fanboys just refuse to admit hd dvd isn't going anywhere anytime soon. i dont mean to offend, but its comical how much in denial most of this site is. i'm not saying hd dvd is going to win or anything, but there should be concern imo

Originally Posted by Beta-guy

let me ask you something, I think it's getting cleaer you are HD-DVD supporter, do you think Warner will got HD-DVD exclusive or BD exclusive? Why'd you choose HD-DVD and argue in favor of HD-DVD? BD is increasing the sales gap between HD-DVD and BD, look at the sales a few weeks after Paramount switched and look at the sales now... I expect in 6 months time BD will dominate HD-DVD, depending of course how Q4 and Q1 work out

Originally Posted by savage1984

Look guys, the numbers are reflective of the 90k a2's that were nearly given away with 10 hd movies. If you take that out, it would have been 90-10. So let's wait for the disney/pixar residuals for next week. C'mon. You think the cheap-e's who bought the $98 players are actually going to spend $20 -$25 on hd dvd's. They're probably just using them to upconvert their old dvd's.

Yeah 65-35 wasn't what we expected but it's still kick-ass!

I agree, Xtop seems to be an HD DVD fanboy, but he's still following the rules, and as such can state his opinion. So long as he realizes that it's not popular, and that this is not a neutral site, so don't be surprised, Xtop, to get some flack from the Mods regarding your statements. Oh, and watch the name-calling, it's really not welcomed here. Many of us are trying to do our part at making this site much more civil, as more and more former HD DVD exclusive supporters begin adopting Blu-ray. And yes, it's happening. Don't bother with the "there are blu-ray fans going to HD DVD" argument, either. We all know there are those out here that bought up an A2 and got their free movies, it's just understood on this site that the discussion isn't welcome here, again, this is not a neutral site.

Now let's address your comments: The vast majority of us out here know that HD DVD is going to be around for quite some time, but we also believe that our format of choice is superior, as does many in the film industry, and that eventually it will win out. The only true concern any of us have is that this format war will result in the demise of BOTH formats, as most of the mainstream public won't adopt until there is only one. Sure, many newer members are a bit over-zealous in their support, but I think you will find that those with 1,000 or more posts tend to be pretty level-headed.

As far as this 2:1 lead discussion goes, it will be a huge coup the day that we see a 3:1 margin, as the shear numbers that that will require will pretty much mean the end is near. Think about how difficult it is to keep a 2:1 margin: you have to continually sell twice as many blu-ray discs as HD DVD, regardless of the numbers. Easy to do when it's, say, 5,000 to 2,500, but as the number of adapters increases, and they are, it is far more difficult to sell 50,000 to 25,000, or more. And let's not forget that this 2:1 ratio is a total, not just weekly. So in order to gain a 3:1 lead, the weekly numbers will have to consistently come in at 4:1 or more over a few months.

Keep that in mind when you get discouraged that we're STILL only 2:1 ahead of HD DVD sales...

Finally, I think Savage nailed it regarding last week's numbers. HD DVD gave away 10 free HD DVD's with the purchase of their HD DVD players. 10! And we STILL maintained a 65/35 sales lead?! I think the next few weeks, and all the way through the rest of the year, will be very telling. WB may not go Blu-exclusive after the first of the year, but they're definitely not even considering HD DVD exclusivity, not even close. Silverberg's comments are pretty indicative of where they stand: they see the advantages of Blu-ray and firmly support it (and I quote: "we can definitely talk Blu-ray"), they're just being smart business people and supporting both formats, maximizing profits, and waiting for a clear indication of a winning format (or unsustainable sales) before making a decision. This is a more logical explanation to their watching of Q4: not to decide a format, but to make sure it's still financially feasable to support both. In the end, that's what it's all about, the almighty dollar...

[BadAss]

If I was to buy 10 brand new cars and then sell them on at half price in 5 minutes does that make me the best sales man in the world? The fact is the reason Blu-ray isn't at 3:1 or 4:1 right now is because Toshiba are flogging a dead horse selling 90,000 players at $99 trying to stop Blu-ray running away with sales figures. When HD-DVD hits rock bottom and no other CE company will touch them how will they make any money from HD-DVD?