Hands on with TC-P50G10...

[meloveHD]

So i went to my local best buy today and bugged them to bring out the G10 and set it up so i could play. I've been struggling between the S1 and G10 series and was anxious to get my hands on the G10 and see just how big a difference THX and 24p native made over the S1.

Well, the THX was of course beautiful, but I found some issues with the 24p. I kept toggling between 48hz and 60hz and when there was a lighter background in the image (ocean and sky in Dead Man's Chest) there was a horrendous flicker when set to 48hz. I honestly hoped no one around me had epilepsy because who knows what could've happened... yea, it was that bad. I'm not talking a judder in the picture, just massive amounts of lighting flicker.

Truthfully, I'm new to this technology, but 48hz is the setting that should take advantage of the 24p right? Was this flicker maybe caused by the source? A Pioneer BD player was hooked up through HDMI and playing Dead Man's Chest on BD. Do some BD's not support this setting? Also, aren't the new Pannny's supposed to have 96hz or sumthin?

Unless I wasn't utilizing the setting correctly, I'm rather disappointed in this 24p thing...

[crackinhedz]

well, being that it was a brand new TV you had them open up...Id gather to say the picture settings could have used better adjustment.

Kind of hard to judge [uncalibrated] TV's in store.

[meloveHD]

Possibly. im no professional, but i adjusted the settings to what I would use at home. however, now that i think about it, i really should have played with the settings to see if the flicker could be reduced. Hmph :/

[celticpride]

I wish our local best buy here in california would put theirs out,im dying to see one in person.i'll either get the 54''g10, g15, or the 54 v10. for more info on these tvs you might wanna check out the AVS forum,flat panel displays plasma. im sure a lot of folks over there woud be interested in what you just posted here ,plus they could give you answers about your concerns regarding the 48 hz flicker.

[meloveHD]

i have indeed! actually, Chad from Cleveland Plasma has just posted a review for the G10 series if ur interested in checking it out:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post16026547

Apparently, it wasn't just me, the pros noticed the same thing. Tisk tisk.

[Sonny]

What the hell happend to 96Hz, if people are still seeing the "flicker" issue I'm dissapointed... Not that the TV needs 24p native play back for great PQ, but still...I got to lay my eyes on one.

[meloveHD]

Originally Posted by Sonny

What the hell happend to 96Hz

That's what im saying! From what im gathering though, 96Hz may be a European model exclusive.

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by meloveHD

That's what im saying! From what im gathering though, 96Hz may be a European model exclusive.

I read that too... Sucks for NA. Nice for the Euro members!

[cbo]

Originally Posted by meloveHD

i have indeed! actually, Chad from Cleveland Plasma has just posted a review for the G10 series if ur interested in checking it out:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post16026547

Apparently, it wasn't just me, the pros noticed the same thing. Tisk tisk.

Glad I didn't wait & went with the 5020


Perhap Panny will get it right in a few years when I'm ready to upgrade again

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by cbo

Glad I didn't wait & went with the 5020


Perhap Panny will get it right in a few years when I'm ready to upgrade again

Me too. I was still looking forward to progress, which was made , just not a leap by any means...

[battousai147]

i just purchased my new panny 50 inch g10 well better i exchanged a sam pn50a760 for the g10 samsung power button on front panel had issue any way you are right about the 24p flicker issue when using the 48hrz mode ive checked it out with tranformers on br indiana jones and the hulk and i have tried to adjust my settings several times but still the flicker is very intense but aside from that the display is amazing excellent blacks great color and im loving the thx mode really does an excellent job of adjusting the settings for you but with this thx mode you can actually adjust some pic settings your self unlike on the 800u so very nice and i love the styling oh and it does produce a deeper black and better color than the sammy it replaced just in case any one was wondering. so far loving it

[BrahmaBull]

Originally Posted by battousai147

i just purchased my new panny 50 inch g10 well better i exchanged a sam pn50a760 for the g10 samsung power button on front panel had issue any way you are right about the 24p flicker issue when using the 48hrz mode ive checked it out with tranformers on br indiana jones and the hulk and i have tried to adjust my settings several times but still the flicker is very intense but aside from that the display is amazing excellent blacks great color and im loving the thx mode really does an excellent job of adjusting the settings for you but with this thx mode you can actually adjust some pic settings your self unlike on the 800u so very nice and i love the styling oh and it does produce a deeper black and better color than the sammy it replaced just in case any one was wondering. so far loving it

Mix in some punctuation!

EDIT: I'll give you some credit, you used one period.

[Hammie]

I'm glad I did not wait for the new models. I have the 850u and have no flickering issues in 48Hz mode.

It really sucks that there are some reviews, as well as real experiences on this forum that show the flicker. I thought they were supposed to be 96Hz, also. Oh well. I guess they don't have to fix everything now that Pioneer is in their last year of plasma production. Very sad to hear.

[4TA23]

Let's just say that those of us who picked up a Pioneer before they all leavve us made the right choice. I would wait to see what the V series does on the Panny's though, up to 54" it will have a single pane of glass and could be quite a promising TV and I beleive have a higher true contrast ratio than those that just came out. The ones out now are on par or slightly better than the top models from last year, curious to see how those new top models will fair. I bet better than what is out right now or why else would they be the top models if not better than the lower models...hmmmm

[dobyblue]

The G-series weren't supposed to have a 24p mode period, nevermind 96Hz.

The V-10 and Z-1 series have 96Hz. I don't know what you're reading that would cause such confusion.

The V-Series and Z-Series will use 96Hz, or 4:4 pulldown.

VIERA recreates the unique atmosphere of movie images. Enjoy cinema quality in your own home. The images that are recorded onto movie film at 24 frames per second (fps) are reproduced at four times that speed by 24p Cinematic Playback.

Originally Posted by meloveHD

Well, the THX was of course beautiful, but I found some issues with the 24p. I kept toggling between 48hz and 60hz and when there was a lighter background in the image (ocean and sky in Dead Man's Chest) there was a horrendous flicker when set to 48hz. I honestly hoped no one around me had epilepsy because who knows what could've happened... yea, it was that bad. I'm not talking a judder in the picture, just massive amounts of lighting flicker.

Truthfully, I'm new to this technology, but 48hz is the setting that should take advantage of the 24p right?

I went to see The Dark Knight in IMAX and I noticed the exact same flicker in the scenes in the basement with the ceiling of floodlighting. Of course I wouldn't call it "horrendous" because I'm aware of what cinema is supposed to look like.

[lghaze42]

Originally Posted by cbo

Glad I didn't wait & went with the 5020


Perhap Panny will get it right in a few years when I'm ready to upgrade again

I have an 800 u and use 24p all the time.I don't have any flicker issues at all.I am running it through a BD30 connected to a Panasonic SA-BX500 receiver.A matched system just the way Panasonic most likely calibrated the 24pmode.

[BrahmaBull]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

The G-series weren't supposed to have a 24p mode period, nevermind 96Hz.

The V-10 and Z-1 series have 96Hz. I don't know what you're reading that would cause such confusion.

The V-Series and Z-Series will use 96Hz, or 4:4 pulldown.






I went to see The Dark Knight in IMAX and I noticed the exact same flicker in the scenes in the basement with the ceiling of floodlighting. Of course I wouldn't call it "horrendous" because I'm aware of what cinema is supposed to look like.

Originally Posted by lghaze42

I have an 800 u and use 24p all the time.I don't have any flicker issues at all.I am running it through a BD30 connected to a Panasonic SA-BX500 receiver.A matched system just the way Panasonic most likely calibrated the 24pmode.

I installed a Sony LCD for a buddy of mine about a year ago. ( I forget the model, but it supported 24p )

I noticed what some people may call flicker, but I agree with dobyblue...kinda what it supposed to look like.

However what people are experiencing on Pannys @ 24p/48Hz may actually be brutal as I've never tested it on the PZ8 models.

[meloveHD]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

I went to see The Dark Knight in IMAX and I noticed the exact same flicker in the scenes in the basement with the ceiling of floodlighting. Of course I wouldn't call it "horrendous" because I'm aware of what cinema is supposed to look like.

Ive been to the theater plenty of times in my life, IMAX included and have NEVER witnessed this flicker. It might be there, but it is obviously not there in such quantities as it is in the G10. Chad, a touring ISF calibrator from the AVS forums had absolutely no trouble picking up on the flicker. If you havn't seen the G10 in its 48Hz mode, don't come on here and insinuate that we must not know what we are talking about. I'm obviously not supposed to feel like ive just rubbed my eyes for a minute straight and opened them to see the world as if the lights were being turned on and off repeatedly.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by meloveHD

Ive been to the theater plenty of times in my life, IMAX included and have NEVER witnessed this flicker. It might be there, but it is obviously not there in such quantities as it is in the G10. Chad, a touring ISF calibrator from the AVS forums had absolutely no trouble picking up on the flicker. If you havn't seen the G10 in its 48Hz mode, don't come on here and insinuate that we must not know what we are talking about. I'm obviously not supposed to feel like ive just rubbed my eyes for a minute straight and opened them to see the world as if the lights were being turned on and off repeatedly.

The flicker is just as obvious as it is on the -800. It was an immediate reaction to that scene and I see it all the time in scenes with high contrast, ie a bright sky or lighting contrasted against a dark room. Anyone that looks at the screen would pick it up, you don't need to be a calibrator to see flicker in the cinema anymore that you do on the 48Hz sets.

It is SUPPOSED to look like that. If you don't like it, there is the 60Hz mode. The difference between the two is so incredibly small yet people make out that a true 24Hz mode is one of the prime reasons to choose a TV. Well, we've been watching 24Hz content at 60Hz for ten years and how many people have you ever heard complain how much different it looks from the cinema? My guess would be NONE, until 1080p24 came about and people started researching and understanding what it was about. It is so far down the list on things I care about on a TV it's not even funny. Motion resolution, interlaced performance, 3:2 performance, ANSI contrast, accuracy of colours, etc., etc., all come ahead of 24Hz performance just like they did before everyone started understanding what it meant.

[DonRSD]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

The flicker is just as obvious as it is on the -800. It was an immediate reaction to that scene and I see it all the time in scenes with high contrast, ie a bright sky or lighting contrasted against a dark room. Anyone that looks at the screen would pick it up, you don't need to be a calibrator to see flicker in the cinema anymore that you do on the 48Hz sets.

It is SUPPOSED to look like that. If you don't like it, there is the 60Hz mode. The difference between the two is so incredibly small yet people make out that a true 24Hz mode is one of the prime reasons to choose a TV. Well, we've been watching 24Hz content at 60Hz for ten years and how many people have you ever heard complain how much different it looks from the cinema? My guess would be NONE, until 1080p24 came about and people started researching and understanding what it was about. It is so far down the list on things I care about on a TV it's not even funny. Motion resolution, interlaced performance, 3:2 performance, ANSI contrast, accuracy of colours, etc., etc., all come ahead of 24Hz performance just like they did before everyone started understanding what it meant.

all hail doby!!!