Saw this on a High-def media website....I couldn't stop laughing....
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The ones who will decide the winner of this format war are the consumers. Whatever the consumers decide is the best choice will win and that's that.
Sony declared victory last January and has declared victory a few times since.
But this really means nothing. They don't get to decide who wins. I decide and you decide, we all are the ones who will ultimately decide the winner.
I am choosing the format that gives me the best deal. I want the one that I can buy for $169 with 12 free movies and that has a finalized spec so I don't have to worry about it being obsolete in the near future.
I will not choose Blu-ray because Sony said they already won the war a year ago. I guess some people fell for that but not me.
Sony sticks blu-ray into the playstation brand and that still has not rescued it from failure. It has in fact pretty much doomed Sony's celebrated playstation brand.
That is how terrible blu-ray is. It is terrible. Nobody wants it. It would be absolutely dead by now. Except for the fact that it was ariticially implanted into people's homes via the PS3.
Then we got the marketing campaign telling us how many people ran out to buy blu-ray, not PS3 mind you but blu-ray. They said people chose blu-ray and the war was over.
In reality people were just buying a playstation videogame console. But no, we must believe they went out there looking for blu-ray players.
Even after all the lies and mis information, blu-ray is still extremely vulnerable and the PS3 has already failed.
But you guys don't see that because sony says blu-ray won and the PS3 will win which are both outrageous lies.
Blu-ray is terrible because HD DVD is a lot better option. PS3 is terrible because the 360 and Wii are a lot better options.
If in the videogame console world there was only the PS3 then yes, it would be great and worth owning. And if in the HDM player world there was only blu-ray then yes it would be great and worth owning.
But the truth is, only fanboys see the PS3 and blu-ray as the only options.
Other people can factor in the Wii, 360 and HD DVD and realize they are alot better than PS3 and blu-ray.
How dare Sony be so forward thinking as to put a Blu-ray drive into the PS3. Outrageous!
That (HD DVD rant) comment must have been written by a 12 year old. Hey kid your mom is calling, time to wash your hands for dinner. Now stop writing your ignorance down for all to see. If mommy doesn't give you enough allowance to buy a PS3, go cry in your room.
LOL. Yeah. A Wii is a better option. Last gen graphics, one trick pony controller and, hell, even a 360 can play DVDs.
Never mind that people HAVE been choosing Blu for a year. They kept good pace with hardware all that year, even when they were $200 more expensive. Now they are well ahead in SAL sales.
You (the poster of the original article) don't like the choice they are making. Not the same thing.
And the whole thing reads like a 14 yo being told what to write and not knowing why.
Last edited by Prometheus59650; 01-30-2008 at 02:46 PM.
Check out this crap from Nfinity. I honestly thought his pride would be hurt after he was DEAD WRONG about Warner and everything else. Boy, was I wrong. He is even more delusional than ever.
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first of all Warner doesn't think that Blu-Ray is better since obviously all of their releases so far have been superior on HD DVD. They have even postponed Matrix, Batman and a few other titles because Blu-Ray is simply a MESS. The only reason Blu-Ray has any support is Sony and Panasonic pumping money to studios. This will eventually end. Actaully I think it's very close as about $600 million dollars they spit out to Warner and Fox was the last amount of incentives they had. They blew all of their load last year on marketing, studio and retailer payoffs and now they are slowly going broke with budgets. Do you really think they wouldn't make a Super Bowl ad if they could? They don't have the BUDGET FOR IT.. The thing costs another $3-$5 mill not to mention how much it costs to make one.
Studios are not all witholding content obviously. There's close to 40% of content that you can't get on Blu-Ray. People seem to play dumb about that. There's is not so much difference between now and at the beginning of 2007. In the beginning of 2007 Universal was the sole exclusive HD DVD studio with Paramount and Warner releasing on both. Come 2008 Warner is blu Paramount is red. As they are about equal in catalogs with Paramount actually edging out Warner I would say that we are back at the start of 2007 with movie support.
As far as I remember HD DVD was told it was dead in the 2007 as well, yet HD DVD managed to secure a studio by the end of 2007. Don't write off Disney or Fox going neutral just yet. If triple layer 51gb HD DVD discs come out, twin discs with this new triple layer come out, players sell increasingly well at $100 as they are now, studios will follow the consumer power not fanboyism.
Using Blu-Ray logic we've read here on Engadget, Digital Bits and other pro-Blu web sites let me open some eyes for you:
Week Blu-ray HD DVD
1/5 15,257 14,558
1/12 21,770 1,758
1/19 16,496 8,639
HD DVD sales from 1/12 to 1/19 increased 700% while Blu-Ray dropped 25%. Add to that you still have about 70-80% of Blu-Ray players being given away with TVs, HD DVD is absolutely destroying Blu-Ray.
Considering that NPD report states that those Blu-Ray players are really giveaways and not sales then we come to the numbers like 4000 Blu-Ray AND dual format players sold without giveaways.
This means that HD DVD players "OUTSOLD" - meaning REALLY SOLD Blu-Ray players almost 70:30 and I took about 75% of Blu-Ray players being given away with TVs even now which is very optimistic.
Of course these numbers I didn't even include HD DVD add-on for 360 but let's say those numbers are small as the add-on is still $179.
So realistically HD DVD outsold Blu-Ray if you take away the free giveaways. This means consumers are buying left and right HD DVD.
Check out this crap from Nfinity. I honestly thought his pride would be hurt after he was DEAD WRONG about Warner and everything else. Boy, was I wrong. He is even more delusional than ever.
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first of all Warner doesn't think that Blu-Ray is better since obviously all of their releases so far have been superior on HD DVD. They have even postponed Matrix, Batman and a few other titles because Blu-Ray is simply a MESS. The only reason Blu-Ray has any support is Sony and Panasonic pumping money to studios. This will eventually end. Actaully I think it's very close as about $600 million dollars they spit out to Warner and Fox was the last amount of incentives they had. They blew all of their load last year on marketing, studio and retailer payoffs and now they are slowly going broke with budgets. Do you really think they wouldn't make a Super Bowl ad if they could? They don't have the BUDGET FOR IT.. The thing costs another $3-$5 mill not to mention how much it costs to make one.
Studios are not all witholding content obviously. There's close to 40% of content that you can't get on Blu-Ray. People seem to play dumb about that. There's is not so much difference between now and at the beginning of 2007. In the beginning of 2007 Universal was the sole exclusive HD DVD studio with Paramount and Warner releasing on both. Come 2008 Warner is blu Paramount is red. As they are about equal in catalogs with Paramount actually edging out Warner I would say that we are back at the start of 2007 with movie support.
As far as I remember HD DVD was told it was dead in the 2007 as well, yet HD DVD managed to secure a studio by the end of 2007. Don't write off Disney or Fox going neutral just yet. If triple layer 51gb HD DVD discs come out, twin discs with this new triple layer come out, players sell increasingly well at $100 as they are now, studios will follow the consumer power not fanboyism.
Using Blu-Ray logic we've read here on Engadget, Digital Bits and other pro-Blu web sites let me open some eyes for you:
Week Blu-ray HD DVD
1/5 15,257 14,558
1/12 21,770 1,758
1/19 16,496 8,639
HD DVD sales from 1/12 to 1/19 increased 700% while Blu-Ray dropped 25%. Add to that you still have about 70-80% of Blu-Ray players being given away with TVs, HD DVD is absolutely destroying Blu-Ray.
Considering that NPD report states that those Blu-Ray players are really giveaways and not sales then we come to the numbers like 4000 Blu-Ray AND dual format players sold without giveaways.
This means that HD DVD players "OUTSOLD" - meaning REALLY SOLD Blu-Ray players almost 70:30 and I took about 75% of Blu-Ray players being given away with TVs even now which is very optimistic.
Of course these numbers I didn't even include HD DVD add-on for 360 but let's say those numbers are small as the add-on is still $179.
So realistically HD DVD outsold Blu-Ray if you take away the free giveaways. This means consumers are buying left and right HD DVD.
Same logic. See how it works?
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[Clap, clap, clap, clap] Well done Nfinity, you just been nominated as format a**holes of the year (and the winner is...[drum roll, tears open envelope, pulls out paper reveling loser...I mean winner] it's Nfinity for a**holes of the year). They are just jealous that the better format won. Why is it that I see so many people hate BD for no apparant reason and yet, I see none hatin' on HD DVD. Any of the ones that do BD almost always tell the truth while the HD DVD ones always spread lies, lies that will only confuse the consumer and buy a format that we won't see around autumn/fall 08.
Before I go further, I want to say that I am glad that Blu-Ray has pretty much won the war and that we are a lot closer to having one format for HDM, and Blu-Ray does seem to have the greatest potential.
With that being said, I do actually wonder if there is any truth to the rumor that WB was considering going HD-DVD exclusive if Fox went with them, and that the better sales of movies on BD had little or nothing to do with it. Now, before anyone jumps on me over this, trying to keep an open mind and consider the possible logic behind this. This is just speculation and my part and I fully admit I could be wrong.
Here is what is pretty much known about Warner Bros...
*Warner Bros. (at least the home video division) tends to be a pretty cheap company. I know I am not the only one who feels this way as I've had discussions about this on other boards long before Hi-Def discs were even around. They often times want to put as little time, effort, and money into their releases than they have to. Looking at DVD, many of their movie releases are fine (esspecially newer ones that stand to sell a lot of copies), though generally speaking they usually aren't anything special, but this cheap attitude has really shows up through many of their TV show boxed sets. They often release very bare bones sets. For older shows, rarely do they digitally remaster anything unless it's something REALLY popular (the odd thing about this is that it seems that in cases where they are releasing TV shows on DVD that are still on the air via reruns, the masters they use for the DVDs look worse than what's being broadcast, and I wonder why they couldn't just get the same masters the TV broadcast was using), and they tend to over charge for these sets. This just shows that WB is more concerned with money than quality.
*It is known that HD-DVD has more in common with DVD than Blu-Ray does, and as a result it's cheaper to produce a movie on HD-DVD than Blu-Ray. And it's known that when releasing a movie on both formats, WB tends to create the Hi-Def master to be made for HD-DVD, and then crappily shoe-horns it over to Blu-Ray after the fact, which not only fails to use Blu-Ray to it's full potential, but in some cases (based on some reviews of comparing the HD-DVD and BD versions of some movies side by side) the Blu-Ray ends up actually being slightly worse than the HD-DVD since it was just crappily formated for Blu-Ray after the fact. (Think about it... if they really prefered and were leaning towards Blu-Ray for quite a while, then I would think they would have put more effort into the Blu-Ray versions of their movies).
Given their known cheapness (as previously explained) when it comes to DVD, it would seem that they are more interested in making money than producing a product at the best possible quality. They'd rather make a 'good enough' Hi-Def movie for cheap and make more profit than go with the higher quality.
*Prior to the Blu-Ray exclusivity happening, WB had confirmed that some of their reps would be at the HD-DVD panel at CES (which, as we all know, later got canceled), and they announced this pretty well in advance before ever expressed plans to speak on the Blu-Ray side. If they were REALLY planning on jumping ship on HD-DVD at that point, I don't think they would have been making plans to be directly involved with the HD-DVD presentation/panel/whatever.
So, given all of this I do wonder if maybe WB was planning some kind of HD-DVD exclusivity deal if Fox would go over. While BD discs were currently selling better than HD-DVDs, both studios switching sides would clearly sway things in favor of HD-DVD, and BD would struggle to compete content-wise. While in the short run WB would sell fewer discs, in the long run HD-DVD would grow, the players would be cheaper letting more people jump on board faster once a standard is chosen, and the cost of producing the discs would be a little cheaper, thus being more of a profit center for WB.
Now, of course Fox is the big conundrum in all of this. Why would they even consider switching to HD-DVD after being BD exclusive for so long and insisting on the BD+ protection that has been implemented? I see two possiblities....
1.There have been reports of hackers already breaking through the BD+ protection which was "supposed" to be unhackable for a good decade or more. And Fox probably spent some good money on it. Perhaps they realized that fighting the bootleggers is futile, and maybe Toshiba was offering either a cash payoff or some other kind of incentive, and they were at least consideirng it, but for whatever reason they decided that sticking with BD was in their best interests (or the BDA offered them some kind of incentive to stay with Blu-Ray).
Or, there's the other possibility...
2.Fox hasn't changed it's stance on copy protection and wants to utilize it as much as possible. Toshiba and HD-DVD, desperate to gain more of the market as their low price holiday sale really didn't do much to increase the % of movies that they sell, were considering going against their whole 'no copy protection' stance and were possibly going to create something similar to BD+ but for HD-DVD to get Fox to jump on board, in addition to possibly offering Fox a pay off or some other incentive. But, in the end Fox decided not to switch sides (possibly because BD+ already exists, but similar protection for HD-DVD would still take quite some time to develop and would take longer than Fox would like, and/or the BDA offered Fox some kind of incentive to stick with Blu-Ray).
So, in the end (regardless of which of the two scenarios occurred), Fox stayed with Blu-Ray. WB realized that if they went HD-DVD exclusive on their own without another studio going with them, it would just cause a stalemate between the two formats, thus making it take longer for either format to win out, and maybe even resulting in both of them just dying, thus not allowing them to profit in the long-term from HDM discs.
So, they knew at that point the only option would be to go with Blu-Ray. Even though the costs to make a disc would be a little higher, ending the format war ASAP and getting a single format out there would cause adoption to increase much faster, and prove to be a better plan for long-term profit. And of course they can easily cite the fact that they were selling more BD discs than HD-DVDs as the reason for the switch, where in reality that may not have had much to do with it.
I could be wrong on this, and if I am, so be it. But, I wouldn't be surprised if there's at least some truth to it. And it's not like WB would have been doing it because they felt HD-DVD was the better format, but rather because they want to be cheap and save a few bucks.
Either way things are the way the are now regardless of the rhyme or reason as to how and why they came to be this way, and we are all better off having one format. And I hope WB gets it's act together and starts making movie transfers with Blu-Ray in mind, thus making the final product better than what they've given us so far.
Check out this crap from Nfinity.
If triple layer 51gb HD DVD discs come out, twin discs with this new triple layer come out, players sell increasingly well at $100 as they are now, studios will follow the consumer power not fanboyism. Vaporware
Using Blu-Ray logic we've read here on Engadget, Digital Bits and other pro-Blu web sites let me open some eyes for you:
Week Blu-ray HD DVD
1/5 15,257 14,558
1/12 21,770 1,758
1/19 16,496 8,639
HD DVD sales from 1/12 to 1/19 increased 700% while Blu-Ray dropped 25%. Add to that you still have about 70-80% of Blu-Ray players being given away with TVs, HD DVD is absolutely destroying Blu-Ray.
Considering that NPD report states that those Blu-Ray players are really giveaways and not sales then we come to the numbers like 4000 Blu-Ray AND dual format players sold without giveaways.
This means that HD DVD players "OUTSOLD" - meaning REALLY SOLD Blu-Ray players almost 70:30 and I took about 75% of Blu-Ray players being given away with TVs even now which is very optimistic.
Wow were did you learn math? How can HDDVD outsell Blu-ray players when Blu-ray sold over 16,000 player that week and HDDVD only sold 8,000 and some change??? Yes i see now, the Looney Tunes Academy
Of course these numbers I didn't even include HD DVD add-on for 360 but let's say those numbers are small as the add-on is still $179.
So realistically HD DVD outsold Blu-Ray if you take away the free giveaways. This means consumers are buying left and right HD DVD.
Same logic. See how it works?
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Wow, just wow. The brain power these people have is simply...wait no they dont have any.
I have a hard time believing that someone not a blu ray fan wrote that...it is almost sarcastic in the way it is written and would be embarrassing that a person would be so utterly against a product just as good or better.....food for thought?......or maybe there are people out there that dumb...I hope not
All the way through that article, post, comment, or whatever that was supposed to be, I was banging myself over the head wondering why I’m still reading it. If in fact this is not a joke, which I’m still having a hard time believing myself, he just doesn’t understand that the consumers have made a choice and it’s Blu-ray.
Check out this crap from Nfinity. I honestly thought his pride would be hurt after he was DEAD WRONG about Warner and everything else. Boy, was I wrong. He is even more delusional than ever.
" If triple layer 51gb HD DVD discs come out, twin discs with this new triple layer come out,
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Lmao. Clearly no one told Nfinity that 100 GB Bluray disks only need a simple update to play higher layer disks compared to new hardware for HDDVD.
He needs to stop reading Wiki and do some real research
Check out this crap from Nfinity. I honestly thought his pride would be hurt after he was DEAD WRONG about Warner and everything else. Boy, was I wrong. He is even more delusional than ever.
"
first of all Warner doesn't think that Blu-Ray is better since obviously all of their releases so far have been superior on HD DVD. They have even postponed Matrix, Batman and a few other titles because Blu-Ray is simply a MESS. The only reason Blu-Ray has any support is Sony and Panasonic pumping money to studios. This will eventually end. Actaully I think it's very close as about $600 million dollars they spit out to Warner and Fox was the last amount of incentives they had. They blew all of their load last year on marketing, studio and retailer payoffs and now they are slowly going broke with budgets. Do you really think they wouldn't make a Super Bowl ad if they could? They don't have the BUDGET FOR IT.. The thing costs another $3-$5 mill not to mention how much it costs to make one.
Studios are not all witholding content obviously. There's close to 40% of content that you can't get on Blu-Ray. People seem to play dumb about that. There's is not so much difference between now and at the beginning of 2007. In the beginning of 2007 Universal was the sole exclusive HD DVD studio with Paramount and Warner releasing on both. Come 2008 Warner is blu Paramount is red. As they are about equal in catalogs with Paramount actually edging out Warner I would say that we are back at the start of 2007 with movie support.
As far as I remember HD DVD was told it was dead in the 2007 as well, yet HD DVD managed to secure a studio by the end of 2007. Don't write off Disney or Fox going neutral just yet. If triple layer 51gb HD DVD discs come out, twin discs with this new triple layer come out, players sell increasingly well at $100 as they are now, studios will follow the consumer power not fanboyism.
Using Blu-Ray logic we've read here on Engadget, Digital Bits and other pro-Blu web sites let me open some eyes for you:
Week Blu-ray HD DVD
1/5 15,257 14,558
1/12 21,770 1,758
1/19 16,496 8,639
HD DVD sales from 1/12 to 1/19 increased 700% while Blu-Ray dropped 25%. Add to that you still have about 70-80% of Blu-Ray players being given away with TVs, HD DVD is absolutely destroying Blu-Ray.
Considering that NPD report states that those Blu-Ray players are really giveaways and not sales then we come to the numbers like 4000 Blu-Ray AND dual format players sold without giveaways.
This means that HD DVD players "OUTSOLD" - meaning REALLY SOLD Blu-Ray players almost 70:30 and I took about 75% of Blu-Ray players being given away with TVs even now which is very optimistic.
Of course these numbers I didn't even include HD DVD add-on for 360 but let's say those numbers are small as the add-on is still $179.
So realistically HD DVD outsold Blu-Ray if you take away the free giveaways. This means consumers are buying left and right HD DVD.
Same logic. See how it works?
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Thats some great logic! Hahahah.... sales were 15K/week, then 1.5K, then 8.5K. What growth!
Of all the people involved in the internet battling over the format war, there are only three I go out of my way to read about their meltdowns over Blu-ray's victory.
Check out this crap from Nfinity. I honestly thought his pride would be hurt after he was DEAD WRONG about Warner and everything else. Boy, was I wrong. He is even more delusional than ever.
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If triple layer 51gb HD DVD discs come out, twin discs with this new triple layer come out, players sell increasingly well at $100 as they are now, studios will follow the consumer power not fanboyism.
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What is meant here by "twin disks"? Dual sided triple layer? or Combo (triple layer HD DVD on one side and dual layer DVD on the other)?
While I admit up front that I have not read through the specs in a while, IIRC with the spec as it is currently written, it is not physically possible to have a dual sided HD DVD with triple layer on both sides. Additionally, it is not physically possible to have a triple layer HD DVD on one side and dual layer DVD on the other side. (Now if I'm not remembering the spec correctly anyone is invited to point to specific references in the spec to correct me.)
Thus his statements about future physical media offerings is just a bad as his arithmetic/logic.
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Wow, just wow. The brain power these people have is simply...wait no they dont have any.
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