DTS-MA on the PS3 - How is it?! - Blu-ray Forum

SDon1969 · 04-15-2008, 12:44 PM

I know there must be some night owls out there who stayed up to download and test the PS3 2.30 update. I expected to see more posts about it this morning but only managed to find a couple comments. So let's hear it guys, how is DTS-MA? Is it breathing new life into some of your BD collections? How does it stack up to TrueHD and PCM 5.1?

Entertainment72 · 04-15-2008, 12:45 PM

From what Ive read and seen its better than TrueHD.. higher bitrates..

MOONPHASE · 04-15-2008, 12:46 PM

sounds amazing

supersix4 · 04-15-2008, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Entertainment72

From what Ive read and seen its better than TrueHD.. higher bitrates..

yeah so far the sound seems to be better then the truehd blus

NutsAboutPS3 · 04-15-2008, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Entertainment72

From what Ive read and seen its better than TrueHD.. higher bitrates..

They are both lossless, i.e. an identical reproduction of the source audio, so a higher bitrate just means it is less efficiently compressed.

I watched some bits of Ronin this morning, switching back and forth between the DTS HD MA track and the core 1.5mbps DTS track. The difference varies depending on the content. For dialogue I could hear little difference. I could hear quite a difference in the string instruments in the music. Also, I watched a scene in a subway with a lot of surround sound action, and it was much more enveloping in the lossless track.

The PS3 makes it quite slow to switch between PCM and bitstream to compare the lossless track against the lossy core, so it isn't all that easy to compare them.

Z-Corp · 04-15-2008, 01:05 PM

I downloaded before work this morning and tried out "Hairspray" because it has 7.1 DTS MA. In the opening scene I found the background sounds to be more distinct and bright. I was only able to watch literally 2 minutes due to the download taking so long, but the bitrates made it up to 6.8. Can’t wait to try ID4 to hear how good it sounds. One thing is for sure, it was a good feeling seeing the DTS MA on the display screen finally.

Nooff · 04-15-2008, 01:14 PM

So far I only listened to I Robot which seems to have better bass management on the DTS HD-MA decode rather than the 1.5Mbit Core. Strangely enough I felt it had too much bass when listening to the Core. When switched to DTS HD-MA it did sound more natural

Sonny · 04-15-2008, 01:16 PM

I've already been enjoying it with my panny's , but now its even better !!! The PS3 is king. I've been getting rid of my standalones, as there's no need. PS3's just offer so much. I f'n love umm

Sonny · 04-15-2008, 01:38 PM

& it only took 7mins 20sec to DL & install!!!!! over WiFi via an 'N' router

token_howlie · 04-15-2008, 01:48 PM

has anyone put in shoot'em up??? I played it and my ps3 said 7.1 but my receiver only played 5.1... at the beginning the new line cinema part is in 7.1 and when I play games I can get 7.1, so I don't know what the problem is. Any help would be great.

SDon1969 · 04-15-2008, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by token_howlie

has anyone put in shoot'em up??? I played it and my ps3 said 7.1 but my receiver only played 5.1... at the beginning the new line cinema part is in 7.1 and when I play games I can get 7.1, so I don't know what the problem is. Any help would be great.

I am beginning to think that this might be a widespread problem with DTS-MA 7.1 titles, someone posted a link called PS3 DTS-MA 7.1 Issues. Dang it.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=46636

Diablo69 · 04-15-2008, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by token_howlie

has anyone put in shoot'em up??? I played it and my ps3 said 7.1 but my receiver only played 5.1... at the beginning the new line cinema part is in 7.1 and when I play games I can get 7.1, so I don't know what the problem is. Any help would be great.

Same over here with Shoot'em Up. No sound from back surrounds.

XSilentCobraX · 04-15-2008, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Diablo69

Same over here with Shoot'em Up. No sound from back surrounds.

I tryed Shoot em up this morning, and as far as i remember there was sound coming from all speakers..

King03 · 04-15-2008, 01:58 PM

Sounds great. I tried out a little bit of Speed this morning just to make sure it worked.

I thought it was funny that the screen that said "This update Includes" only talked about the Playstation Store, said nothing of DTS-HD-MA.

I agree that it was nice to see the codec show up on the display.

King03 · 04-15-2008, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SDon1969

How does it stack up to TrueHD and PCM 5.1?

It sounds the same as these, the update just finally brought the DTS titles up to par with TrueHD and PCM titles...

Mr3dfx · 04-15-2008, 02:01 PM

I tried "Shoot 'em Up" last night...and wow...It's a darn shame I live in an apartment complex.

ah well...anyway the bass was amazing for the five minutes I had it playing at 11:00PM

, I can't wait to try it actually during normal waking hours to really let it stretch its legs!!

CptGreedle · 04-15-2008, 02:13 PM

Another thread has mentioned that there have been issues getting 7.1 to work.
It seems most titles come out as 5.1, and those that show 7.1 have no sound out of the rear channels.
This could need an patch.

Jimbo976 · 04-15-2008, 02:20 PM

I don't have a 7.1 setup (receiver has it but no room for the speakers) so I'm very happy with the update. I tried a few DTS HD MA discs and am amazed at how good they sound. Kingdom of Heaven is one that sounds totally amazing almong with I, Robot.

All this talk about Shoot em Up might force me to go out and buy it today since I had only rented it before. I love that movie and I can imagine that it will sound great with MA.

David Craig · 04-15-2008, 02:22 PM

Tried out the first 25 minutes of Die Hard One today.

Bit rates are typically about 2.1 Mbps instead of 1.5 Mbps for the core. But sometimes it jumps to 3 or 4 Mbps briefly. Highest I saw was 4.3 Mbps but only for 1 second.

Can I absolutely tell it is better? Probably not. But still my PS/3 is now complete.

Nice to hear Hairspray gets much higher Mbps. Possibly the more recent titles will demo this better.

Jimbo976 · 04-15-2008, 02:31 PM

I saw it go up to 6 or 7 Mbps on a few titles. The bit rate doesn't really mean too much though as it is lossless. Uncompressed PCM should equal soundwise TrueHD which should equal DTS HD MA if they were all coming from the same source. Newer titles will likely benfit more. I plan to try out the 1st 3 Die Hard movies later today to see. I don't have Live Free or Die Hard yet but will have to buy it now.

I was switching back and forth between the audio tracks on a few titles and the main thing is the finer clarity of the background sounds. Also there are some very quiet sounds that I can now make it that I couldn't before. And the bass seems more even. Sure it isn't a huge leap in many cases but i'd rather listen to the best possible sound just like I would rather watch the best possible picture. Now I can say I can see and hear the best that there is for home video.

04-15-2008, 12:44 PM	#1
SDon1969 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Feb 2008 Location:Massachusetts Home Theater Gallery:32 Blu-ray collection:745 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:1	DTS-MA on the PS3 - How is it?! I know there must be some night owls out there who stayed up to download and test the PS3 2.30 update. I expected to see more posts about it this morning but only managed to find a couple comments. So let's hear it guys, how is DTS-MA? Is it breathing new life into some of your BD collections? How does it stack up to TrueHD and PCM 5.1?

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04-15-2008, 12:45 PM	#2
Entertainment72 Special Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Fort Myers, FL Blu-ray collection:44 Blu-ray reviews:1	From what Ive read and seen its better than TrueHD.. higher bitrates..

04-15-2008, 12:46 PM	#3
MOONPHASE Blu-ray Duke Top contributor Member since:Jun 2007 Location:California 4K collection:8 Blu-ray collection:520 DVD collection:820 Blu-ray reviews:18 Trading Score:29	sounds amazing

04-15-2008, 01:05 PM	#6
Z-Corp Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Central Texas	I downloaded before work this morning and tried out "Hairspray" because it has 7.1 DTS MA. In the opening scene I found the background sounds to be more distinct and bright. I was only able to watch literally 2 minutes due to the download taking so long, but the bitrates made it up to 6.8. Can’t wait to try ID4 to hear how good it sounds. One thing is for sure, it was a good feeling seeing the DTS MA on the display screen finally.

04-15-2008, 01:14 PM	#7
Nooff Senior Member Member since:Oct 2007	So far I only listened to I Robot which seems to have better bass management on the DTS HD-MA decode rather than the 1.5Mbit Core. Strangely enough I felt it had too much bass when listening to the Core. When switched to DTS HD-MA it did sound more natural

04-15-2008, 01:16 PM	#8
Sonny Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Aug 2007 Home Theater Gallery:8 Blu-ray reviews:6 Trading Score:1	I've already been enjoying it with my panny's , but now its even better !!! The PS3 is king. I've been getting rid of my standalones, as there's no need. PS3's just offer so much. I f'n love umm

04-15-2008, 01:38 PM	#9
Sonny Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Aug 2007 Home Theater Gallery:8 Blu-ray reviews:6 Trading Score:1	& it only took 7mins 20sec to DL & install!!!!! over WiFi via an 'N' router

04-15-2008, 01:48 PM	#10
token_howlie Junior Member Member since:Dec 2007 Location:Okinawa	has anyone put in shoot'em up??? I played it and my ps3 said 7.1 but my receiver only played 5.1... at the beginning the new line cinema part is in 7.1 and when I play games I can get 7.1, so I don't know what the problem is. Any help would be great.

04-15-2008, 01:58 PM	#14
King03 Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Colorado	Sounds great. I tried out a little bit of Speed this morning just to make sure it worked. I thought it was funny that the screen that said "This update Includes" only talked about the Playstation Store, said nothing of DTS-HD-MA. I agree that it was nice to see the codec show up on the display.

04-15-2008, 02:01 PM	#16
Mr3dfx Active Member Member since:Oct 2007 Blu-ray collection:123	I tried "Shoot 'em Up" last night...and wow...It's a darn shame I live in an apartment complex. ah well...anyway the bass was amazing for the five minutes I had it playing at 11:00PM , I can't wait to try it actually during normal waking hours to really let it stretch its legs!!

04-15-2008, 02:13 PM	#17
CptGreedle Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Sworn super-hero now services Atlanta (and suburbs). Blu-ray collection:128 Blu-ray reviews:5	Another thread has mentioned that there have been issues getting 7.1 to work. It seems most titles come out as 5.1, and those that show 7.1 have no sound out of the rear channels. This could need an patch.

04-15-2008, 02:20 PM	#18
Jimbo976 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Canada Home Theater Gallery:3 Blu-ray collection:209 Blu-ray reviews: 1 Trading Score:1	I don't have a 7.1 setup (receiver has it but no room for the speakers) so I'm very happy with the update. I tried a few DTS HD MA discs and am amazed at how good they sound. Kingdom of Heaven is one that sounds totally amazing almong with I, Robot. All this talk about Shoot em Up might force me to go out and buy it today since I had only rented it before. I love that movie and I can imagine that it will sound great with MA.

04-15-2008, 02:22 PM	#19
David Craig Active Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Canada Blu-ray reviews: 5	Tried out the first 25 minutes of Die Hard One today. Bit rates are typically about 2.1 Mbps instead of 1.5 Mbps for the core. But sometimes it jumps to 3 or 4 Mbps briefly. Highest I saw was 4.3 Mbps but only for 1 second. Can I absolutely tell it is better? Probably not. But still my PS/3 is now complete. Nice to hear Hairspray gets much higher Mbps. Possibly the more recent titles will demo this better.

04-15-2008, 02:31 PM	#20
Jimbo976 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Canada Home Theater Gallery:3 Blu-ray collection:209 Blu-ray reviews: 1 Trading Score:1	I saw it go up to 6 or 7 Mbps on a few titles. The bit rate doesn't really mean too much though as it is lossless. Uncompressed PCM should equal soundwise TrueHD which should equal DTS HD MA if they were all coming from the same source. Newer titles will likely benfit more. I plan to try out the 1st 3 Die Hard movies later today to see. I don't have Live Free or Die Hard yet but will have to buy it now. I was switching back and forth between the audio tracks on a few titles and the main thing is the finer clarity of the background sounds. Also there are some very quiet sounds that I can now make it that I couldn't before. And the bass seems more even. Sure it isn't a huge leap in many cases but i'd rather listen to the best possible sound just like I would rather watch the best possible picture. Now I can say I can see and hear the best that there is for home video.

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