I've discovered better sound in Games! - Blu-ray Forum

neckedness · 11-02-2008, 02:38 AM

I've had my PS3 and Onkyo 605 for awhile and been playing PS3 games with the PS3 sound setting to HDMI-Automatic setup which selects all the sound options. Today I changed the sound setting to Manual and deselected all the Linear options and just left Dolby Digital 5.1 and DTS 5.1 on. Then I played Mirror's Edge Demo and was blown away by the sound quality difference! With this setting, on the Onkyo for all the PS3 games, the display said DTS or DD. I also tried LBP and SuperStarDust. The game sounds do improve!

If all the sound options were selected, then the display on the Onkyo would just say MultiChannel and I thought this was a good setting for everything. Well apparently not.

With just the DD5.1 and DTS on, my MP3 will play in surround too. DVD movies sound the same since the display always say either DD or DTS even with Linear selected at the PS3 sound option. Of course Bitstream is set here.

I'm going to keep it set like this from now on since I play more games and listen to music more than playing a Bluray movie. Yeah, when playing a Bluray movie, I'd have to turn back all the Linear options for uncompressed sound.

But dangit, I never knew this, all this time. You guys should try it...and mirror's edge sound amazing!

So this explains why I always thought xbox 360 games sounded better.

Sorry if yall knew this already but, wow, just wow.

naturephoto1 · 11-02-2008, 02:44 AM

Try the sound with the Onkyo set to Pure Direct.

Rich

Simplayer · 11-02-2008, 02:45 AM

Why would that make it sound better? Isn't that just have the console send out bitstreams for dolby digital and dts?

neckedness · 11-02-2008, 02:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by naturephoto1

Try the sound with the Onkyo set to Pure Direct.

Rich

I set it to direct but it didn't sound good if the Linear settings were on. Left DD and DTS on and it sound good. So direct didn't change anything except I keep hearing relays clicking all the time from XMB to the game start.

WriteSimply · 11-02-2008, 07:11 AM

Something is not right with your settings. Here's the logic: DTS and Dolby Digital are lossy sound formats, something similar to MP3.

This is how the sound conversion happens when you play MP3s and output it as DTS/DD. MP3->PCM->DTS/DD. Your receiver decodes the DTS/DD bitstream for you to hear the sound. If you had set it to Linear MPCM, the conversion goes MP3->PCM. There are no more decoding to do.

The same happens with games that has lossless sound; not all games have lossless sound even though the PS3 can handle it easily. PCM->DTS/DD.

For BD movies, especially the ones with Linear MPCM, you get another conversion process. For discs with Dolby TrueHD and DTS HDMA, the PS3 doesn't do the conversion but again you're only getting lossy sound.

We don't know what's causing your setup to sound not as good as it should. Maybe you need to pour through your manual and find out. Your suggestion that we do the same cannot logically be entertained.

fuad

naturephoto1 · 11-02-2008, 05:25 PM

I meant to say to try to put the Onkyo on Pure Audio. That may improve your sound.

Rich

ballin_shogun · 11-03-2008, 02:40 PM

yeah, that makes no sense... those are lossy and shoud be inferior... I've never acutally done an a/b comparison because i've got a 7.1 setup but if what you say is true something is definately off somewhere.

neckedness · 11-03-2008, 03:36 PM

A setting may not be set right but I swear it does sound better. It's louder and more spacial. I play games at volume 44. For dvd movies, volume at 55-60.

Someone suggested Pure Audio? I don't have that mode in my model.

naturephoto1 · 11-03-2008, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neckedness

A setting may not be set right but I swear it does sound better. It's louder and more spacial. I play games at volume 44. For dvd movies, volume at 55-60.

Someone suggested Pure Audio? I don't have that mode in my model.

On your machine, I think that Pure is the Pure Audio setting that I have on my Onkyo PR-SC885 Pre/pro.

Rich

prankster · 11-03-2008, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by naturephoto1

On your machine, I think that Pure is the Pure Audio setting that I have on my Onkyo PR-SC885 Pre/pro.

Rich

unfortunately the 605 doesn't have pure audio

aygie · 11-03-2008, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by naturephoto1

I meant to say to try to put the Onkyo on Pure Audio. That may improve your sound.

Rich

I always find Pure Audio is more muffled and only 2.1?!?! How come you think it would improve the sound? Have i got something setup wrong here?

Pelican170 · 11-03-2008, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neckedness

I've had my PS3 and Onkyo 605 for awhile and been playing PS3 games with the PS3 sound setting to HDMI-Automatic setup which selects all the sound options. Today I changed the sound setting to Manual and deselected all the Linear options and just left Dolby Digital 5.1 and DTS 5.1 on. Then I played Mirror's Edge Demo and was blown away by the sound quality difference! With this setting, on the Onkyo for all the PS3 games, the display said DTS or DD. I also tried LBP and SuperStarDust. The game sounds do improve!

If all the sound options were selected, then the display on the Onkyo would just say MultiChannel and I thought this was a good setting for everything. Well apparently not.

With just the DD5.1 and DTS on, my MP3 will play in surround too. DVD movies sound the same since the display always say either DD or DTS even with Linear selected at the PS3 sound option. Of course Bitstream is set here.

I'm going to keep it set like this from now on since I play more games and listen to music more than playing a Bluray movie. Yeah, when playing a Bluray movie, I'd have to turn back all the Linear options for uncompressed sound.

But dangit, I never knew this, all this time. You guys should try it...and mirror's edge sound amazing!

So this explains why I always thought xbox 360 games sounded better.

Sorry if yall knew this already but, wow, just wow.

Your running the same sound just bitstreaming or by LPCM. either way, its the same.. Maybe your receiver does a better job of decoding but louder doesnt mean better...

Pelican170 · 11-03-2008, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by naturephoto1

I meant to say to try to put the Onkyo on Pure Audio. That may improve your sound.

Rich

isnt pure audio just when it doesnt add any of the receiver settings to the audio?

naturephoto1 · 11-03-2008, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aygie

I always find Pure Audio is more muffled and only 2.1?!?! How come you think it would improve the sound? Have i got something setup wrong here?

I generally find the reverse as far as I know. My Onkyo PR-SC885 Pre/pro works in 2 channel or 5.1. I presume also in 7.1 (I only am set up at present as 5.1). It does shut down the .1 for 2 channel however. For that, if I wish to use my subwoofer I then use the Onkyo setting for double bass and listen in another mode like stereo.

As far as I know, Pure audio is supposed to provide the best sound, shutting down circuitry that may decrease performance quality.

I am able to use Pure Audio with my system with both my Denon DVD 5910 and my Denon DVD3800BDCI Blu-ray players connected through HDMI, Coax digital, or analog RCA connectors.

Rich

neckedness · 11-03-2008, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pelican170

Your running the same sound just bitstreaming or by LPCM. either way, its the same.. Maybe your receiver does a better job of decoding but louder doesnt mean better...

It might be just louder, but I haven't noticed any distortion. Will test more when I have time.

11-02-2008, 02:38 AM	#1
neckedness Active Member Member since:Sep 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 2	I've discovered better sound in Games! I've had my PS3 and Onkyo 605 for awhile and been playing PS3 games with the PS3 sound setting to HDMI-Automatic setup which selects all the sound options. Today I changed the sound setting to Manual and deselected all the Linear options and just left Dolby Digital 5.1 and DTS 5.1 on. Then I played Mirror's Edge Demo and was blown away by the sound quality difference! With this setting, on the Onkyo for all the PS3 games, the display said DTS or DD. I also tried LBP and SuperStarDust. The game sounds do improve! If all the sound options were selected, then the display on the Onkyo would just say MultiChannel and I thought this was a good setting for everything. Well apparently not. With just the DD5.1 and DTS on, my MP3 will play in surround too. DVD movies sound the same since the display always say either DD or DTS even with Linear selected at the PS3 sound option. Of course Bitstream is set here. I'm going to keep it set like this from now on since I play more games and listen to music more than playing a Bluray movie. Yeah, when playing a Bluray movie, I'd have to turn back all the Linear options for uncompressed sound. But dangit, I never knew this, all this time. You guys should try it...and mirror's edge sound amazing! So this explains why I always thought xbox 360 games sounded better. Sorry if yall knew this already but, wow, just wow. Last edited by neckedness; 11-02-2008 at 02:41 AM.

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11-02-2008, 02:44 AM	#2
naturephoto1 Blu-ray Ninja Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Oct 2008 Location:Breinigsville, PA Home Theater Gallery:260 4K collection:21 Blu-ray collection:263	Try the sound with the Onkyo set to Pure Direct. Rich

11-02-2008, 02:45 AM	#3
Simplayer Special Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Windsor, Ontario	Why would that make it sound better? Isn't that just have the console send out bitstreams for dolby digital and dts?

11-02-2008, 07:11 AM	#5
WriteSimply Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Sep 2006 Location:Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia	Something is not right with your settings. Here's the logic: DTS and Dolby Digital are lossy sound formats, something similar to MP3. This is how the sound conversion happens when you play MP3s and output it as DTS/DD. MP3->PCM->DTS/DD. Your receiver decodes the DTS/DD bitstream for you to hear the sound. If you had set it to Linear MPCM, the conversion goes MP3->PCM. There are no more decoding to do. The same happens with games that has lossless sound; not all games have lossless sound even though the PS3 can handle it easily. PCM->DTS/DD. For BD movies, especially the ones with Linear MPCM, you get another conversion process. For discs with Dolby TrueHD and DTS HDMA, the PS3 doesn't do the conversion but again you're only getting lossy sound. We don't know what's causing your setup to sound not as good as it should. Maybe you need to pour through your manual and find out. Your suggestion that we do the same cannot logically be entertained. fuad

11-02-2008, 05:25 PM	#6
naturephoto1 Blu-ray Ninja Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Oct 2008 Location:Breinigsville, PA Home Theater Gallery:260 4K collection:21 Blu-ray collection:263	I meant to say to try to put the Onkyo on Pure Audio. That may improve your sound. Rich

11-03-2008, 02:40 PM	#7
ballin_shogun Active Member Member since:Jul 2008 Location:North Carolina, USA Blu-ray collection:26	yeah, that makes no sense... those are lossy and shoud be inferior... I've never acutally done an a/b comparison because i've got a 7.1 setup but if what you say is true something is definately off somewhere.

11-03-2008, 03:36 PM	#8
neckedness Active Member Member since:Sep 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 2	A setting may not be set right but I swear it does sound better. It's louder and more spacial. I play games at volume 44. For dvd movies, volume at 55-60. Someone suggested Pure Audio? I don't have that mode in my model.

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