Refresh Rates on new Plasmas

[ObiTrentKenobi]

hello,
which is the better refresh rate? higher or lower number? I can't remember...

60Hz
180Hz
or
600Hz?


Here is what i'm looking at... it's a Panasonic 1080p plasma, 42", has 3:2 pulldown, 24p playback.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1218066284214

I want the best "motion" out of my blurays. Will this do? This set will be going in my home office, and i won't be adding a sound system to it either, so sound isn't a great big deal. i just want an awesome picture that can handle the best motion.

[allstar780]

the actual refresh rate of any plasma tv is only 60Hz (the maximum needed as the eye can't process anything beyond it as an improvement... if i remember correctly) the 600Hz number refers to the sub-field drive, which is the speed at which the video "driver" works... basically every frame is turned into 10 "sub-fields" on 60fps content... but we only see it as 60fps anyways, not 600fps, because it is not displaying anything differently... the important part is that the new panasonics with the NeoPDP have 1080 motion resolution (in my understanding they were the first TVs to actually achieve this) but the neoPDP starts in the S series, not the U series you are looking at

[My_Two_Cents]

Don't let the "Hz-speak" marketing war confuse you. There are NO motion issues with plasma technology as there are with LCD. As Allstar mentioned, the 600Hz is a sub-field drive, which is in no way the same as 120Hz is to LCD. The subfield drive improves upon the motion resolution capabilities of the set, allowing a full 1080 lines without the artificial soap-opera effect of motion interpolation that LCD must use. And even without it, there are no motion blur problems with plasma like you still get even with high-end LCDs. That motion blur is casued by the set's response time, which for plasma is exponentially faster than LCD.

You won't be disappointed with a good Pany plasma.

[sancho26]

I just bought that same exact TV a few days ago and it's been awsome! I bought it at Best Buy they gave me a pretty decent discount it's an awsome TV you won't regret it! I actually bought it for my bedroom and I play PS3 on it. I can't believe how much better my PS3 and Blu-ray movies look on this TV then it did on my LCD TV

[My_Two_Cents]

Originally Posted by sancho26

I just bought that same exact TV a few days ago and it's been awsome! I bought it at Best Buy they gave me a pretty decent discount it's an awsome TV you won't regret it! I actually bought it for my bedroom and I play PS3 on it. I can't believe how much better my PS3 and Blu-ray movies look on this TV then it did on my LCD TV

Another who took the redpill and has seen the truth for himself. Congats!

And welcome to the forum!

[mjbethancourt]

Your content is only 60hz anyway. At this state of technology, they're all up to standard on refresh rate, panel response time is more important now, and that is a real strength of plasma panels. Multiplied refresh rate is specific to LCD panels, to compensate for slower panel response. For reasons that are a little too complex to trouble myself with explaining here, plasmas don't actually live up to the 0.01ms that they boast, but they are tops in flat-panel response time, by a significant margin.

[ObiTrentKenobi]

thanks for the responses...

what i've concluded from your answers, is that the "hz" rating on plasmas doesn't really matter because content is only in 60hz hz anyway, correct?

I already have a sweet panasonic plasma, and am super impressed with it. i just don't remember hearing anything at that time about the hz ratings like these numbers...

thanks!

[gtmorgan23]

the panny plasmas have the 600hz business written on the box solely because of the big lcd hz ordeal.

[that1guystudios]

Actually, I work at Best Buy, and you may not want to get the U1. Take a look at Panasonic's web site. It's buried in the fine print, but this Plasma can only display 1080p content, but it's lines of resolution are around 900. That means it's not a true 1080 display. The one that you want is the S1, it just came out a few weeks ago, and Best Buy has it on their website, but it isn't in stock yet.
The S1 keeps all of the same features and has an special screen coating that most panasonic plasmas have that keeps the glare down to a minimum. The U series is the first Panasonic plasma to not have an anti-glare coating. Take a look at your local store. Minor glare is one thing, but this is major glare.
The S1 should be $999 when it is finally released. The $100-200 premium is worth it.

[My_Two_Cents]

Originally Posted by that1guypictures

Actually, I work at Best Buy, and you may not want to get the U1. Take a look at Panasonic's web site. It's buried in the fine print, but this Plasma can only display 1080p content, but it's lines of resolution are around 900. That means it's not a true 1080 display. The one that you want is the S1, it just came out a few weeks ago, and Best Buy has it on their website, but it isn't in stock yet.
The S1 keeps all of the same features and has an special screen coating that most panasonic plasmas have that keeps the glare down to a minimum. The U series is the first Panasonic plasma to not have an anti-glare coating. Take a look at your local store. Minor glare is one thing, but this is major glare.
The S1 should be $999 when it is finally released. The $100-200 premium is worth it.

Though I agree the S1 would be a better choice, your argument is really not an applicable one. They are talking about motion resolution, of which "most" sets today do not achieve 1080 lines. The 2009 Panasonic lines claims they all do, and I believe the Samsung 950 LCD does (at one specific motion enhancer setting), but most other sets fall way short, particularly LCDs. 900 lines of motion resolution is considered a top performer. See table linked below for the measured motion resolution of a good percentage of the 2008 FP sets.

http://hdguru.com/wp-content/uploads...-125-hdtvs.pdf

[that1guystudios]

Originally Posted by Ricshoe

Though I agree the S1 would be a better choice, your argument is really not an applicable one. They are talking about motion resolution, of which "most" sets today do not achieve 1080 lines. The 2009 Panasonic lines claims they all do, and I believe the Samsung 950 LCD does (at one specific motion enhancer setting), but most other sets fall way short, particularly LCDs. 900 lines of motion resolution is considered a top performer. See table linked below for the measured motion resolution of a good percentage of the 2008 FP sets.

http://hdguru.com/wp-content/uploads...-125-hdtvs.pdf

I didn't say what most other TV's do. I said the S1 DOES display all 1080p.

[My_Two_Cents]

Originally Posted by that1guypictures

I didn't say what most other TV's do. I said the S1 DOES display all 1080p.

No, you stated that the op might want to stay away from the Pany, as it does not give a "true" 1080p picture, when in reality most sets do not display 1080 lines of motion resolution. The Pany he was considering would be an excellent choice for the $$ and should not be dismissed because of this.

Just trying to put your statement into the proper context.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by that1guypictures

Actually, I work at Best Buy, and you may not want to get the U1. Take a look at Panasonic's web site. It's buried in the fine print, but this Plasma can only display 1080p content, but it's lines of resolution are around 900. That means it's not a true 1080 display. The one that you want is the S1, it just came out a few weeks ago, and Best Buy has it on their website, but it isn't in stock yet.

Not quite - Panasonic is listing the motion resolution - in other words how many lines of a moving picture can be resolved.

Most CCFL-LCD sets score around 300~500 lines of motion resolution, but not many people would say they're not a "true 1080 display".

The Pioneer KURO sets score 880~920 motion resolution, just like the U1, but they're 1080p sets. Any set with a 1920x1080 progressive panel like the U1 is a true 1080p set. It will pass a 1080p bandwidth testing, displaying all 1920x1080 pixels of a static image.

[My_Two_Cents]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

Not quite - Panasonic is listing the motion resolution - in other words how many lines of a moving picture can be resolved.

Most CCFL-LCD sets score around 300~500 lines of motion resolution, but not many people would say they're not a "true 1080 display".

The Pioneer KURO sets score 880~920 motion resolution, just like the U1, but they're 1080p sets. Any set with a 1920x1080 progressive panel like the U1 is a true 1080p set. It will pass a 1080p bandwidth testing, displaying all 1920x1080 pixels of a static image.

Cool new AV and title, doby! I see you've really gotten into Roland's tale.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by Ricshoe

Cool new AV and title, doby! I see you've really gotten into Roland's tale.

Thanks!

Yeah, about 250 pages into Wolves of the Calla and showing no signs of slowing down. III-Wastelands has been my favourite book so far, but I did really enjoy Wizard and Glass immensely.

This is an AWESOME story, shaping up to be my favourite of all time.

[My_Two_Cents]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

Thanks!

Yeah, about 250 pages into Wolves of the Calla and showing no signs of slowing down. III-Wastelands has been my favourite book so far, but I did really enjoy Wizard and Glass immensely.

This is an AWESOME story, shaping up to be my favourite of all time.

III was good, but you aint seen nothin' yet! After 'Wolves', things get REAL interesting....

[Hammie]

Originally Posted by Ricshoe

III was good, but you aint seen nothin' yet! After 'Wolves', things get REAL interesting....

Guys, I love the Gunslinger series. I wanted to name my son Roland, but the wife said "NO WAY!!!!"

[My_Two_Cents]

Originally Posted by louhamilton

Guys, I love the Gunslinger series. I wanted to name my son Roland, but the wife said "NO WAY!!!!"

LOL

Okay, back OT. To the OP, the set you have linked is an excellent choice that will give you a picture surpassed by only a few other plasmas. Go for it.

[_kirk_]

Originally Posted by ObiTrentKenobi

what i've concluded from your answers, is that the "hz" rating on plasmas doesn't really matter because content is only in 60hz hz anyway, correct?

Not entirely correct - Blu Ray movies can output 24p; to actually see the true 24fps of the source material, you'd need a refresh rate that is a multiple of 24 such as 48, 72 or 96Hz in order to not have the 24p converted back to 30 frames per second via 3:2 pulldown.

[wafi]

Originally Posted by _kirk_

Not entirely correct - Blu Ray movies can output 24p; to actually see the true 24fps of the source material, you'd need a refresh rate that is a multiple of 24 such as 48, 72 or 96Hz in order to not have the 24p converted back to 30 frames per second via 3:2 pulldown.

Kirk we wanna see pics of your V10!!!!