Anyone hear about this guy Swanni??? - Blu-ray Forum

JJ777 · 12-06-2007, 05:07 PM

Hello All,

Here's a link http://www.tvpredictions.com/swannitwo120507.htm to a video discussing Hi-Def outlooks for 2008 by this guy named Swanni. He seems to think there will be some type of "single media" and/or reconciliation among the two camps (blu-ray and hd-dvd) in 2008. I can't imagine with everything the BDA has done, and what Sony has given to the PS3, to concede to HD-DVD. Do you think there will be something in concessions related to BD-Java and HDi???

Yes (before the bombs come) this is a serious/objective question. I'm a happy blu-ray owner.....PS3 is awesome!

Thanks,
Josh

Spankey · 12-06-2007, 05:19 PM

I think he is basing this on all the informatino we have heard. Unless he has specifics, his predictions are no more useful than our own. I will say this. There will be NO new format in any kind of reconciliation. Personally, I believe HD-DVD will cease to exist as a new format. Dual format players from Blu-ray hardware companies are the only as long as Toshiba ceases HD-DVD production is the only kind of reconciliation I see happening.

Sony is pushing for 1.1 now. If it is available and works as expected, HD-DVD will not have a single advantage over Blu-ray.

I'd be interested to see if the BDA will track connections to any online content the way the HD-DVD PRG is. If even one title scores more connections to online content, via PS3, it can give a decent number of people using the PS3 for movies, and show Universal that their precious online marketing may work on Blu-ray.

mystiksuicide · 12-06-2007, 05:22 PM

I think he is right that there will probably be one format by end of next year or early 2009 but I can't see Sony conceding much if anything to HD DVD.

Why should they when they continue to outsell hd dvd by a large margin. But I do agree that the studios do want this end fairly quickly.

spam.curitiba · 12-06-2007, 05:23 PM

HD dvd is going to be hurting....java > hdi

haushausman · 12-06-2007, 05:24 PM

That guy Swanni is a tardmuffin. Every month his position changes...

I wouldn't take anything he says seriously. His opinions change with each new article he reads.

cawgijoe · 12-06-2007, 05:28 PM

There is no reason for the leader to concede anything. Once Toshiba and the supporting studios figure out that that HD DVD is not going to provide the profits they are looking for, they will concede.

cawgijoe · 12-06-2007, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by haushausman

That guy Swanni is a tardmuffin. Every month his position changes...

I wouldn't take anything he says seriously. His opinions change with each new article he reads.

All his site is good for is providing up to date news.....other than that, everything spouted there is just opinions.

SamInNorthCakalakey · 12-06-2007, 06:17 PM

Ditto! All he cares about is watching himself talk on his website.

Does this not bother anyone else but me?! Why would you go through he trouble of making a video of yourself talking about something you already wrote down. Egotistical.

Quote:

Originally Posted by haushausman

That guy Swanni is a tardmuffin. Every month his position changes...

I wouldn't take anything he says seriously. His opinions change with each new article he reads.

Terjyn · 12-06-2007, 06:22 PM

FYI, the reason I get so pissed at people who say that Sony formats always fail is because it's just more FUD. Trying to undercut belief in Sony is a direct, blatant attempt to get people to not buy Blu.

tron3 · 12-06-2007, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terjyn

FYI, the reason I get so pissed at people who say that Sony formats always fail is because it's just more FUD. Trying to undercut belief in Sony is a direct, blatant attempt to get people to not buy Blu.

C'mon, Mystik is not trying to cut down Sony at the knees. In essense she is saying that failures are often better recalled than success. Countless people rail America for losing the Vietnam war. It was our failure. But how many people rave we got on the moon first? One truth doesn't overwrite the other.

alpinewiz · 12-06-2007, 05:28 PM

Take what this guy says with a grain of salt. He make predictions every year for the next year and his track record for being right is poor at best.

tron3 · 12-06-2007, 05:26 PM

He wouldn't even say blu-ray would be the winner. Also says that Sony has gotten a bit "wishy washy". This concerns me.

Here is where a single format can backfire. If that single format is NOT blu-ray, it not only pisses off the entire BD camp, but it will CERTAINLY piss off knowledgable consumers waiting for BD to win. If the best technology format, which is also the best selling format, does not win - many consumers will throw up their hands and follow my lead. BUY NOTHING.

That's right, nothing. If some act of sabotage leads HD DVD to win, I am giving up buying movies forever. End of story, so long, case closed, on with my life and on to better things. Digital Downloads will not be one of those better things. The best of show should win, not the best of friends of the judges. Nor should another new format come into play. We don't need the Ross Perot of HDM to save us.
If by some strange brain washing ANYONE in the blu camp wants to migrate, the others should refuse to budge. Warner, we need you more than ever to go BD exclusive.

mystiksuicide · 12-06-2007, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tron3

He wouldn't even say blu-ray would be the winner. Also says that Sony has gotten a bit "wishy washy". This concerns me.

Here is where a single format can backfire. If that single format is NOT blu-ray, it not only pisses off the entire BD camp, but it will CERTAINLY piss off knowledgable consumers waiting for BD to win. If the best technology format, which is also the best selling format, does not win - many consumers will throw up their hands and follow my lead. BUY NOTHING.

That's right, nothing. If some act of sabotage leads HD DVD to win, I am giving up buying movies forever. End of story, so long, case closed, on with my life and on to better things. Digital Downloads will not be one of those better things. The best of show should win, not the best of friends of the judges. Nor should another new format come into play. We don't need the Ross Perot of HDM to save us.
If by some strange brain washing ANYONE in the blu camp wants to migrate, the others should refuse to budge. Warner, we need you more than ever to go BD exclusive.

Sony won't cave in this time. They are dying to get rid of the "every format we create fails" image. If they do cave in the blu-ray thing will haunt them forever.

tron3 · 12-06-2007, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mystiksuicide

Sony won't cave in this time. They are dying to get rid of the "every format we create fails" image. If they do cave in the blu-ray thing will haunt them forever.

Excellent point, but not completely true. Memory sticks succeeded, even if it was a captive audience.

Conceding to HD DVD makes little sense. Conceding to another format makes NO SENSE, even if it is digital downloads. Movies are not music. The logistics of keeping those files is a nightmare to the average consumer.

Everyone, please repeat after me.

"There will always-always-ALWAYS be a market for hard media."

mystiksuicide · 12-06-2007, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tron3

Excellent point, but not completely true. Memory sticks succeeded, even if it was a captive audience.

Memory sticks did succeed to an extent but so did sd cards. I don't believe memory sticks are on the same level as blu-ray on the worlds perception of Sony .

cawgijoe · 12-06-2007, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mystiksuicide

Memory sticks did succeed to an extent but so did sd cards. I don't believe memory sticks are on the same level as blu-ray on the worlds perception of Sony .

and Compact Flash....and Xd cards....and on and on......people look at these as just storage media ffor their particular device and buy accordingly.

tron3 · 12-06-2007, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mystiksuicide

Memory sticks did succeed to an extent but so did sd cards. I don't believe memory sticks are on the same level as blu-ray on the worlds perception of Sony .

Dang, trumped by one of my own kind.

But I think we can agree the future in memory devices is definately in newer and faster USB devices.

Now, how about a hug?

HMtheJJ · 12-06-2007, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tron3

Excellent point, but not completely true. Memory sticks succeeded, even if it was a captive audience.

Conceding to HD DVD makes little sense. Conceding to another format makes NO SENSE, even if it is digital downloads. Movies are not music. The logistics of keeping those files is a nightmare to the average consumer.

Everyone, please repeat after me.

"There will always-always-ALWAYS be a market for hard media."

None of the sformats SONY created has lost, BEtaMAx is the number one and only choice for studio use; MD (ATRAC/ ATRAC 3 Plus)still the best choice for musicans, music mixers, field reporters and HUGE in JApan and ASia, UMD relatively HUGE (comparing to DS) in PSP.

and shame on ppl adapted MP3 we took a HUGE leap backward in history and CE tech, if only ALL ppl understood ATRAC and MD better, we would be having something SO MUCH BETTER than MP3 with its horrible Ipoo.

Clark Kent · 12-06-2007, 09:37 PM

People have to realize that Blu-ray is here to stay. Even if the PS3 is an absolute failure this generation of videogames, it's still going to sale 40-60 million units worldwide. That guarantees that Blu-ray will always be around and content will always be released for it. The same can't be said for HD DVD. It is very possible that within 15 months the only studio releasing on HD DVD is Universal.

Esox50 · 12-06-2007, 05:37 PM

Only way I could see a compromise is if the BDA gives Toshiba some sort of revenue share. I could then see Toshiba releasing a combo player for a few years to support current HD DVD owners' libraries.

I'm oversimplifying a bit. My point is, instead of focusing on the technical aspects of a compromise (which is basically impossible at this point), it's still entirely possible for a financial compromise. I'm a CFO, see this happen all the time.

12-06-2007, 05:07 PM	#1
JJ777 Member Member since:Nov 2007	Anyone hear about this guy Swanni??? Hello All, Here's a link http://www.tvpredictions.com/swannitwo120507.htm to a video discussing Hi-Def outlooks for 2008 by this guy named Swanni. He seems to think there will be some type of "single media" and/or reconciliation among the two camps (blu-ray and hd-dvd) in 2008. I can't imagine with everything the BDA has done, and what Sony has given to the PS3, to concede to HD-DVD. Do you think there will be something in concessions related to BD-Java and HDi??? Yes (before the bombs come) this is a serious/objective question. I'm a happy blu-ray owner.....PS3 is awesome! Thanks, Josh

12-06-2007, 05:26 PM	#12
tron3 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Aug 2004 Location:New Jersey Blu-ray reviews:3	He wouldn't even say blu-ray would be the winner. Also says that Sony has gotten a bit "wishy washy". This concerns me. Here is where a single format can backfire. If that single format is NOT blu-ray, it not only pisses off the entire BD camp, but it will CERTAINLY piss off knowledgable consumers waiting for BD to win. If the best technology format, which is also the best selling format, does not win - many consumers will throw up their hands and follow my lead. BUY NOTHING. That's right, nothing. If some act of sabotage leads HD DVD to win, I am giving up buying movies forever. End of story, so long, case closed, on with my life and on to better things. Digital Downloads will not be one of those better things. The best of show should win, not the best of friends of the judges. Nor should another new format come into play. We don't need the Ross Perot of HDM to save us. If by some strange brain washing ANYONE in the blu camp wants to migrate, the others should refuse to budge. Warner, we need you more than ever to go BD exclusive. Last edited by tron3; 12-06-2007 at 05:31 PM.

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12-06-2007, 05:19 PM	#2
Spankey Power Member Member since:Oct 2006	I think he is basing this on all the informatino we have heard. Unless he has specifics, his predictions are no more useful than our own. I will say this. There will be NO new format in any kind of reconciliation. Personally, I believe HD-DVD will cease to exist as a new format. Dual format players from Blu-ray hardware companies are the only as long as Toshiba ceases HD-DVD production is the only kind of reconciliation I see happening. Sony is pushing for 1.1 now. If it is available and works as expected, HD-DVD will not have a single advantage over Blu-ray. I'd be interested to see if the BDA will track connections to any online content the way the HD-DVD PRG is. If even one title scores more connections to online content, via PS3, it can give a decent number of people using the PS3 for movies, and show Universal that their precious online marketing may work on Blu-ray.

12-06-2007, 05:22 PM	#3
mystiksuicide Blu-ray Guru Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Miami Blu-ray collection:305 Blu-ray reviews:27	I think he is right that there will probably be one format by end of next year or early 2009 but I can't see Sony conceding much if anything to HD DVD. Why should they when they continue to outsell hd dvd by a large margin. But I do agree that the studios do want this end fairly quickly.

12-06-2007, 05:23 PM	#4
spam.curitiba Expert Member Member since:Jul 2007 Blu-ray collection:172 Blu-ray reviews:2	HD dvd is going to be hurting....java > hdi

12-06-2007, 05:24 PM	#5
haushausman Special Member Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Chicago Home Theater Gallery:12 Blu-ray collection:343 Blu-ray reviews: 5	That guy Swanni is a tardmuffin. Every month his position changes... I wouldn't take anything he says seriously. His opinions change with each new article he reads.

12-06-2007, 05:28 PM	#6
cawgijoe Special Member Member since:Feb 2007 Trading Score:1	There is no reason for the leader to concede anything. Once Toshiba and the supporting studios figure out that that HD DVD is not going to provide the profits they are looking for, they will concede.

12-06-2007, 06:22 PM	#9
Terjyn Blu-ray Knight Member since:Jul 2007 Blu-ray collection:122	FYI, the reason I get so pissed at people who say that Sony formats always fail is because it's just more FUD. Trying to undercut belief in Sony is a direct, blatant attempt to get people to not buy Blu.

12-06-2007, 05:28 PM	#11
alpinewiz Member Member since:Jul 2007 4K collection:33 Blu-ray collection:55 DVD collection:2	Take what this guy says with a grain of salt. He make predictions every year for the next year and his track record for being right is poor at best.

12-06-2007, 09:37 PM	#19
Clark Kent Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Metropolis Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:184	People have to realize that Blu-ray is here to stay. Even if the PS3 is an absolute failure this generation of videogames, it's still going to sale 40-60 million units worldwide. That guarantees that Blu-ray will always be around and content will always be released for it. The same can't be said for HD DVD. It is very possible that within 15 months the only studio releasing on HD DVD is Universal.

12-06-2007, 05:37 PM	#20
Esox50 Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jan 2007 4K collection:420 Blu-ray collection:492	Only way I could see a compromise is if the BDA gives Toshiba some sort of revenue share. I could then see Toshiba releasing a combo player for a few years to support current HD DVD owners' libraries. I'm oversimplifying a bit. My point is, instead of focusing on the technical aspects of a compromise (which is basically impossible at this point), it's still entirely possible for a financial compromise. I'm a CFO, see this happen all the time.

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