Anyone hear about this guy Swanni???

[mystiksuicide]

Originally Posted by tron3

He wouldn't even say blu-ray would be the winner. Also says that Sony has gotten a bit "wishy washy". This concerns me.

Here is where a single format can backfire. If that single format is NOT blu-ray, it not only pisses off the entire BD camp, but it will CERTAINLY piss off knowledgable consumers waiting for BD to win. If the best technology format, which is also the best selling format, does not win - many consumers will throw up their hands and follow my lead. BUY NOTHING.

That's right, nothing. If some act of sabotage leads HD DVD to win, I am giving up buying movies forever. End of story, so long, case closed, on with my life and on to better things. Digital Downloads will not be one of those better things. The best of show should win, not the best of friends of the judges. Nor should another new format come into play. We don't need the Ross Perot of HDM to save us.
If by some strange brain washing ANYONE in the blu camp wants to migrate, the others should refuse to budge. Warner, we need you more than ever to go BD exclusive.

Sony won't cave in this time. They are dying to get rid of the "every format we create fails" image. If they do cave in the blu-ray thing will haunt them forever.

[tron3]

Originally Posted by mystiksuicide

Sony won't cave in this time. They are dying to get rid of the "every format we create fails" image. If they do cave in the blu-ray thing will haunt them forever.

Excellent point, but not completely true. Memory sticks succeeded, even if it was a captive audience.

Conceding to HD DVD makes little sense. Conceding to another format makes NO SENSE, even if it is digital downloads. Movies are not music. The logistics of keeping those files is a nightmare to the average consumer.

Everyone, please repeat after me.

"There will always-always-ALWAYS be a market for hard media."

[mystiksuicide]

Originally Posted by tron3

Excellent point, but not completely true. Memory sticks succeeded, even if it was a captive audience.

Memory sticks did succeed to an extent but so did sd cards. I don't believe memory sticks are on the same level as blu-ray on the worlds perception of Sony .

[cawgijoe]

Originally Posted by mystiksuicide

Memory sticks did succeed to an extent but so did sd cards. I don't believe memory sticks are on the same level as blu-ray on the worlds perception of Sony .

and Compact Flash....and Xd cards....and on and on......people look at these as just storage media ffor their particular device and buy accordingly.

[tron3]

Originally Posted by mystiksuicide

Memory sticks did succeed to an extent but so did sd cards. I don't believe memory sticks are on the same level as blu-ray on the worlds perception of Sony .

Dang, trumped by one of my own kind. But I think we can agree the future in memory devices is definately in newer and faster USB devices.

Now, how about a hug?

[mystiksuicide]

Originally Posted by tron3

Dang, trumped by one of my own kind. But I think we can agree the future in memory devices is definately in newer and faster USB devices.

Now, how about a hug?

By no means am I against you, but back to the OP how could anybody ever buy into anything sony does if they screw the people who trusted them. From whta I have seen and read some bought into hd dvd not because they think it's a better format but more based on Sony's infamous failures in the past.

I am not a Sony lover or hater as a matter of fact both my SA players are made by other manufactures.

[HMtheJJ]

Originally Posted by tron3

Excellent point, but not completely true. Memory sticks succeeded, even if it was a captive audience.

Conceding to HD DVD makes little sense. Conceding to another format makes NO SENSE, even if it is digital downloads. Movies are not music. The logistics of keeping those files is a nightmare to the average consumer.

Everyone, please repeat after me.

"There will always-always-ALWAYS be a market for hard media."

None of the sformats SONY created has lost, BEtaMAx is the number one and only choice for studio use; MD (ATRAC/ ATRAC 3 Plus)still the best choice for musicans, music mixers, field reporters and HUGE in JApan and ASia, UMD relatively HUGE (comparing to DS) in PSP.

and shame on ppl adapted MP3 we took a HUGE leap backward in history and CE tech, if only ALL ppl understood ATRAC and MD better, we would be having something SO MUCH BETTER than MP3 with its horrible Ipoo.

[Clark Kent]

People have to realize that Blu-ray is here to stay. Even if the PS3 is an absolute failure this generation of videogames, it's still going to sale 40-60 million units worldwide. That guarantees that Blu-ray will always be around and content will always be released for it. The same can't be said for HD DVD. It is very possible that within 15 months the only studio releasing on HD DVD is Universal.

[Zyclone]

i use both formats but bluray is the better choice hands down , whenever i put in a HD DVD i just pray to god its going to work , owning and watching 100+ blu rays never had a problem with my rays or my player.

and im in the process of selling my ps3 game collection to found my blu ray habit

[tron3]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

P... It is very possible that within 15 months the only studio releasing on HD DVD is Universal.

I'd like to know your reasoning behind that. Out of the BIG studios we only have 2 hold outs. Paramount / Dreamworks, and Universal. Warner is neutral and remains so for the foreseeable future. Paramount was neutral and speculation tells us there is every reason for them to come back to being neutral come the end of 2008. Why would Universal be the only stick in the mud?

Hey, I loved my old DOS computer. I tweaked my own memory settings and it ran EVERYTHING great. I went kicking and screaming to Windows 95, but I went. Mostly because the DOS library of software was drying up. Universal has no reason to wait other than holding a grudge.

The market demand is out there. once everyone supports blu-ray, even with 3 neutral studios, the demand for BD will sky rocket.

[Esox50]

Only way I could see a compromise is if the BDA gives Toshiba some sort of revenue share. I could then see Toshiba releasing a combo player for a few years to support current HD DVD owners' libraries.

I'm oversimplifying a bit. My point is, instead of focusing on the technical aspects of a compromise (which is basically impossible at this point), it's still entirely possible for a financial compromise. I'm a CFO, see this happen all the time.

[tron3]

Originally Posted by Esox50

Only way I could see a compromise is if the BDA gives Toshiba some sort of revenue share. I could then see Toshiba releasing a combo player for a few years to support current HD DVD owners' libraries.

I'm oversimplifying a bit. My point is, instead of focusing on the technical aspects of a compromise (which is basically impossible at this point), it's still entirely possible for a financial compromise. I'm a CFO, see this happen all the time.

You are my new best friend. I have said these things in the past. I completely agree NOT to screw supporters of HDM who bought into HD DVD. Let's not make them gun shy about buying into blu. Support them, and give Toshiba a deal they can't refuse. If Toshiba drops the gauntlet, the studios would be forced to switch. Or vice versa.

[cawgijoe]

Originally Posted by Esox50

Only way I could see a compromise is if the BDA gives Toshiba some sort of revenue share. I could then see Toshiba releasing a combo player for a few years to support current HD DVD owners' libraries.

I'm oversimplifying a bit. My point is, instead of focusing on the technical aspects of a compromise (which is basically impossible at this point), it's still entirely possible for a financial compromise. I'm a CFO, see this happen all the time.

I'm in Finance also and what you are saying is very true. If it looks like HD DVD is going to tank, and the BDA is willing to give Toshiba a share of the profits, it's entirely possible for them to accept this rather then get nothing out of it. This could also speed up the decision to drop HD DVD as a viable format.

[Terjyn]

Originally Posted by mystiksuicide

Sony won't cave in this time. They are dying to get rid of the "every format we create fails" image. If they do cave in the blu-ray thing will haunt them forever.

This image is absurd, considering Sony was part of the team that created CDs. Those sure were a massive failure.

They also created 3.5" floppy discs, DAT tapes, and Betacam, which succeeded where Betamax failed.

I'm not saying I disagree Sony has this reputation, but I am saying the reputation is absurd.

[mystiksuicide]

Originally Posted by Terjyn

This image is absurd, considering Sony was part of the team that created CDs. Those sure were a massive failure.

You might think absurd but people remember they're past failures vividly.

[Terjyn]

Only people who are shallow idiots or feel they have personally been screwed by Sony.

[CptGreedle]

This is BS.
WB already had in development the Total Hi Def discs which could support both formats on one disc.. and guess what.. they CANCELLED it cause the format war can not be won with an intermediary format.

Swanni is just some average guy. His opinions mean squat. Sometimes he seems right on, other times he is way way off.
I tend to ignore him cause he thinks he is all that but he really isn't.

[NuSoardGraphite]

The CD alone should invalidate that reputation.