Next Generation after Bluray?

[sveilside]

Just wondering what would be the next Gen after bluray? I just got into blus for a couple months and already owning 23 BDs Blurays' PQ are awesome, but what's next after this? rumors? 3D? Hologram? 1600p? any Ideas?

thanks...

PS: dunno if this is the correct place to post the question....Mods please feel free to move it...

[djluis2k6]

I might have to say flash drives, but not neccessarily in USB form, but some new type of input that both an HDTV and computer can accept.

[brett_day]

honestly not worried about it! Blu's are going to be around for the next 10+ years, so i am just going to enjoy them and not even worry about what might succeed them

[lgans316]

Bd-500.

[cembros]

i see the home movie format moving in the same direction as music with digital downlads becoming the mainstream. I feel that the market will adopt convience over qualiy such as history has already shown. That being said i feel there will be a market for blu ray for many years to come. It seams that the home video format has reached perfection with blu ray and there wont be any improvment in quality for many years to come. DVD was a step down from laserdisc as far as quality goes but it was much more practical just as downloads are much more practical. I see blu ray being the home video version of vinyl which is still very popular even to this day

[arush5268d]

Who cares? Just enjoy Blu-ray while we have it and hope that whatever replaces it will be great, and welcome, improvement.

[md99]

As long as physical media will always exist I don't care. By all means, let the mass market embrace compressed drm restricted (or not), cheaper digital downloads but give the enthusiasts the option of bringing their version of the latest movie home on a shiny disc.

[Lepidopterous]

Maybe everything can ultimately be put on our HDD!!!

[jdc115]

Originally Posted by sveilside

Just wondering what would be the next Gen after bluray? I just got into blus for a couple months and already owning 23 BDs Blurays' PQ are awesome, but what's next after this? rumors? 3D? Hologram? 1600p? any Ideas?

thanks...

PS: dunno if this is the correct place to post the question....Mods please feel free to move it...

Check out Max's insider thread. He is involved or working on the next generation now and gives some insights to what to expect

[tron3]

Predicting the next generation media is like predicting the return of the Messiah. Everyone guesses and not one is ever right. However there are some rules of thumb we can not ignore which may hint at our future.

First rule of thumb is NOTHING is cheaper than hard pressed media discs. Movies on a stick is possible, but expensive. They are also prone to semi-conductor fatigue, electro and static shock. 30 years after you stopped watching any of your DVD's there is an excellent chance they will still play because it is not stored electronically, nor magnetically.

Possibilities for the future include:

* BD75 or BD100
* 3" Holographic disc
* Home Media Servers
* 4K displays (Already used by Pixar and such.)

No matter what the next generation, blu-ray is such a good picture I doubt I will replace my blu-rays.

[Bobby Henderson]

First rule of thumb is NOTHING is cheaper than hard pressed media discs. Movies on a stick is possible, but expensive.

I'll second that.

I just don't know why so many people are fixated on this notion of movies going from optical disc over to flash-based media. While it might seem cool from a gadgety geeky perspective, it is just plain silly from the business minded standpoint of cost. It would be far more expensive to distribute a movie on flash media than a mass replicated disc.

Worse yet, flash memory has only so many read-write cycles of life before it starts to degrade. Like data on hard discs, data on flash is volatile. So that makes the notion of someone using the same flash card "sneaker network" style to shuttle new movies from the store to his hard disc not really so great. Why bother doing that anyway? Just download the movie direct to hard disc and get the thumb drive out the situation. What happens when that hard disc dies? All the data on it is gone. When I get "laser rot" on an old DVD it's pretty cheap to merely replace that one disc.

Blu-ray Disc has a long life ahead of it. At least a decade will pass before anything better could even be delivered. Hardly any movies have 4K digital masters. It's not a commonly used standard yet. Consumer-level computing and electronics hardware doesn't have the performance muscle to handle D-cinema quality digital files or 4K movies either. Real time downloads in HD material in Blu-ray quality won't happen for at least another 7 to 10 years if it ever happens at all. American telecommunications companies will do as little as they have to in boosting the speeds of their Internet infrastructure. In the meantime they're going to start tolling everyone for high bandwidth use. That kind of kills that whole "downloads are going to take over" prediction.

[lobosrul]

I for one can barely distinguish 1080p from 720p even on large displays, so I really don't see the need for anything above 1080p for home use. Only a very small percentage of people have large rear projection screens, so there might be a tiny market for 1440p or 4k (4kx2k) for home use, but no way is it going mainstream.

3D seems to me to be the next logical step. Downloads sound great, but when you have the countries largest ISP limiting users to 250GB, its going to be hard to really sell 1080p over internet. Thats only 5 full BD-50's a month. Besides which theres are still many people stuck with slower internet connections that can't even handle a single 720p stream.

I predict BD will last longer than DVD, although it might become a bit of an "enthusiast" product, like LaserDisc.

[Mr. Cinema]

Max said BD is expected to be the last disc format. I'll go along with that. What could another disc format offer that BD couldn't?

[AlexKx]

No reason for a new format if it is only going to be around for the next ten years!! Are you all KIDDING?! The public are pissed about this new format thing ever so often. I'm psyched about Blu-Ray but I've already waited since the year 2000 for them to come out. I'd be all about Hologram and 3-D as well but hells bells folks!

[tron3]

Originally Posted by Bobby Henderson

... Just download the movie direct to hard disc and get the thumb drive out the situation. What happens when that hard disc dies? All the data on it is gone. When I get "laser rot" on an old DVD it's pretty cheap to merely replace that one disc...

That is my number one problem with hard drive solutions. To my knowledge there is a ZERO BACKUP CONTINGENCY PLAN. Cavet Emptor.

Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema

Max said BD is expected to be the last disc format. I'll go along with that. What could another disc format offer that BD couldn't?

Same thing DVD did above Laserdisc. Smaller, cheaper, more conveinent. If capacity improves, 3" could be the future. Better picture? How much better can it be than 1080p? It is difficult to tell 720p from 1080p even on 'medium sized' 42" screens. It all depends on your vision and distance from the set. I can believe blu-ray being the last disc format when it can be around forever.

DVD is dying not because IT sucked, but because SDTV sucks. If HDTV never came about then DVD would have lived a long VHS-like life. HD DVD was virtually still-born. 1080p is IT for the foreseeable future. As long as 1080P reins, blu-ray will rule. Period.

[GGX]

I await the day a format comes that offers uncompressed video in addition to audio. There will be no toping that.

[johntankard]

I think that blu ray has reached a medium which is fairly bomb proof for a little while, but let's not forget that camera technology is always improving and that the images we will see will get better over the coming years, and that blu ray is big enough to handle this much data especially when we increase to 100gb discs.

John

[mikejet]

The next step is to legalize marijuana. To paraphrase Jon Stewart in Half Baked:

"But have you seen a Blu-ray movie, on weed?"

[big-bleu]

Originally Posted by cembros

i see the home movie format moving in the same direction as music with digital downlads becoming the mainstream. I feel that the market will adopt convience over qualiy such as history has already shown. That being said i feel there will be a market for blu ray for many years to come. It seams that the home video format has reached perfection with blu ray and there wont be any improvment in quality for many years to come. DVD was a step down from laserdisc as far as quality goes but it was much more practical just as downloads are much more practical. I see blu ray being the home video version of vinyl which is still very popular even to this day

downloads yor kidding right

[Anthony P]

3D should be here with BD, apart from that it is a hard call (1600p?, doubt it. Holograms? way too far away) my guess BD will be around for some time, let's enjoy it for now and when the time for something new comes about we will know about it at least for 3-4 years before it hits the market.

There are 3 things that are needed for a new format
1) consumers need/want something better: for BD it was HD for their HD sets, I have no idea what a new format can bring
2) market saturation: the goal of a studio is to sell movies coming out with a new format that can improve on the old (or at least replace it) is important, I re bought many classics on BD that I had on DVD, this is $ in the studios pocket that they would not have if we where still on DVD (I already bought those movies)
3) old format is cracked and means loss of sales: look at DVD, it is super easy to copy and almost everyone does it, you don't need to be technical at all to do it.
4) timing: there are forces that help an earlier date, but the industry needs to be mindful, if a new format comes out to often it can destroy the industry so 1,2 and 3 and can help push for an earlier release in the format, but if new formats came out, for example, every 3 years most people would say to themselves "why bother, I am not paying 30$/movie for a 3 year rental", in my opinion unless there is a real big jump in tech anything less then 10years is detrimental.

4) enough time