Karate Kid (2010) Review Thread (Spoilers)

[wnicholas76]

All right here:

http://www.imdb.com/news/ni0653978/

Well-spoken words from Ralph Macchio. This is once again proof that Hollywood needs to leave the classics alone!

[Sloan78]

I agree, leave it alone and let it be on Blu soon!

The writer had one error in his story though, Daniel San was in his twenties when making TKK Trilogy.

[masob98]

I totally agree with every word.

[metalifan1]

I completely agree! There is no way this remake can be good. Hollywood leave classics alone!

[Petra_Kalbrain]

If it is going to happen, I want it to be REALLY BAD! That way people who have never seen the original trilogy might take interest to see why they remade it in the first place and be enlightedned by the original masterpiece.

[obiwopkenobi62]

If this gets made I will not go see it. I'm sick of this Hollywood BS. They really need to get a clue.

[Tanv54]

Isn't Jackie Chan Playin Mr. Miyagi? Jackie is a great actor/action star, but he isn't as enlighten as the original miyagi.

[Blu-Curry]

If Jackie Chan can do justice to playing Mr. Miyagi... then i'd consider it.

[xander]

Originally Posted by Petra_Kalbrain

If it is going to happen, I want it to be REALLY BAD! That way people who have never seen the original trilogy might take interest to see why they remade it in the first place and be enlightedned by the original masterpiece.

I agree with this. I think it will be though, sounds like they are really going to make it horrible. Good for them.

[Sussudio]

Originally Posted by xander

I agree with this. I think it will be though, sounds like they are really going to make it horrible. Good for them.

+1

maybe if remakes are just consistently horrible and perform badly (which they never will ) studios will stop greenlighting them to begin with. gah.

[kdn1221]

The best part about the Karate Kid series was Mr. Miyagi. I don't see how they can replace the character.

This is another example of someone who happens to be a big name star trying to get more mileage out of his fame. Will Smith, like many other stars before him, is milking his fame. He may be good in many films but not in all films. His recent movie, Hancock, is an example of a mediocre spin on the superhero genre.

To try and find a vehicle for his son by attempting a remake of a classic movie isn't good. He should find something that is different if that's what he wants to do.

I don't mind updating certain films if it's the right mix. However, Mr. Miyagi is an integral part of the Karate Kid franchise and I can't think of anyone who could fill his shoes. I also don't like the idea that a lot of the older films with white characters get remade and have their ethnic or gender changed. You should always stay with the original intent and create new and interesting characters.

What would happen if the Lord of the Rings had been done with a black cast? What would the Chronicles of Narnia be like if the director didn't stay true to the source material? What would you call the Pevensie children? Their names would have to change as well.

Sometimes the ethnicity that was originally envision is the right one for the film property.

[Afrobean]

Originally Posted by kdn1221

The best part about the Karate Kid series was Mr. Miyagi. I don't see how they can replace the character.

Are they replacing the character? I heard Jackie Chan was going to be playing the character. Same character, different actor.

This is another example of someone who happens to be a big name star trying to get more mileage out of his fame. Will Smith, like many other stars before him, is milking his fame. He may be good in many films but not in all films. His recent movie, Hancock, is an example of a mediocre spin on the superhero genre.

Irrelevant to the topic. Reasons for why Will Smith might want such a remake to be made have nothing to do with how the final film will be. Will Smith's film career is completely irrelevant here, and this is no time to be bashing one of his more recent films just because you didn't enjoy it. It is irrelevant.

To try and find a vehicle for his son by attempting a remake of a classic movie isn't good. He should find something that is different if that's what he wants to do.

I agree, but this is also irrelevant.

I don't mind updating certain films if it's the right mix. However, Mr. Miyagi is an integral part of the Karate Kid franchise and I can't think of anyone who could fill his shoes.

I think Jackie Chan is capable enough. The issue of him being Chinese is a little weird, but most Americans can't tell the difference, and really, I think it's kind of racist if someone thinks that a Chinese person shouldn't be able to play a Japanese character.

I mean, think of it this way. Say they're doing a movie set in Germany. You don't think it's absurd to say that all of the German characters MUST be played by German actors? You don't think that a British man might be able to pass for German?

Can you personally identify the specific facial structures that can let you know whether a person is of Germanic or Scandinavian descent? Chinese or Korean? British or Irish?

I also don't like the idea that a lot of the older films with white characters get remade and have their ethnic or gender changed. You should always stay with the original intent and create new and interesting characters.

You are a racist if you think ethnicities cannot ever be changed. If they wanted to change Miyagi to Chin and make the story about teaching kung fu instead of karate, would you be mad?

Did you see Daredevil? Wilson Fisk is White in the comics, but for the film, they made him Black. I think it works well. Did you see Iron Man? In the comics, Nick Fury is a White man, but they changed his race for the Ultimate continuity and the film character is based on that iteration. I think it works well. Races for characters can often be changed on the fly because race DOES NOT MAKE A CHARACTER.

A character's race need not be set in stone. There are some places where it would be, but in the case of Miyagi, he can just as easily be an old Chinese martial arts master as an old Japanese martial arts master. Or hell, he can be a Japanese martial arts master who is being played by a Chinese actor. I assure you the average person doesn't know the difference if you don't tell them. I'd wager the average person can't even tell the distinction between the term "kung fu" and "karate".

What would happen if the Lord of the Rings had been done with a black cast? What would the Chronicles of Narnia be like if the director didn't stay true to the source material? What would you call the Pevensie children? Their names would have to change as well.

The old-man martial arts master archetype needn't be specifically Japanese. To say that he must be Japanese is entirely racist.

Sometimes the ethnicity that was originally envision is the right one for the film property.

Right, but sometimes it doesn't matter, and sometimes it can be improved. Personally, I really like Kingpin and Nick Fury being Black, at least so far as the particular actors in question do it. It really doesn't matter for all characters.

But Jackie Chan is so washed up that having him play Mr.Miyagi is a shame to the character

Are you familiar with Pat Morita's work before The Karate Kid? Yeah, he should have gotten dozens of acting awards for his take as Arnold on Happy Days.

Jackie Chan isn't a terrible actor. You guys just are unable to give him a chance.

[Crim122]

Originally Posted by Afrobean

Jackie Chan isn't a terrible actor. You guys just are unable to give him a chance.

He isnt a good actor either, he is corny...he used to be a respectable martial arts action star, now he is nothing in my eyes.

[(Fe)Man]

Will Smith is really starting to pi$$ me off. He's making crappy movies and putting his son in even crappier movies. The Fresh Prince is becoming awfully stale.

[drobswim13]

Originally Posted by Afrobean

You are a racist if you think ethnicities cannot ever be changed. If they wanted to change Miyagi to Chin and make the story about teaching kung fu instead of karate, would you be mad?

No, you are not a racist. That is not racism, if you even know what that word truly means. Trying to keep ethnicities the same is only trying to keep with the story the way it is meant to be told. We had that discussion about a black James Bond awhile back and I am totally against that because it starts to steer well away from Fleming's books (even though I know many of the movies have in plot). The fact is that changing ethinicities of certain characters is a personal preference and most people like to stay true to the original film.

[jadedeath]

Originally Posted by drobswim13

No, you are not a racist. That is not racism, if you even know what that word truly means. Trying to keep ethnicities the same is only trying to keep with the story the way it is meant to be told. We had that discussion about a black James Bond awhile back and I am totally against that because it starts to steer well away from Fleming's books (even though I know many of the movies have in plot). The fact is that changing ethinicities of certain characters is a personal preference and most people like to stay true to the original film.

Do you like covers of songs done by other bands?

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[Afrobean]

Originally Posted by drobswim13

No, you are not a racist. That is not racism, if you even know what that word truly means. Trying to keep ethnicities the same is only trying to keep with the story the way it is meant to be told. We had that discussion about a black James Bond awhile back and I am totally against that because it starts to steer well away from Fleming's books (even though I know many of the movies have in plot). The fact is that changing ethinicities of certain characters is a personal preference and most people like to stay true to the original film.

Bond being Black is a completely different situation than a martial arts master being Chinese. I agree that changing Bond to be Black wouldn't work well for the character, but changing Miyagi to be Chinese (or simply have a Chinese actor playing him) is not detrimental.

Incidentally, what are your thoughts on the examples I gave in Wilson Fisk and Nick Fury?

Originally Posted by Lacit170

YOU ARE ANNOYING..... for you entire blurb and comments on EVERYTHING people have to say....

If you don't care to read my posts, then don't. I'm not sure if you're aware, but the forum does have an ignore button. Use it.

Originally Posted by Sussudio

the day star wars is attempted to be remade.......wow........just.........wow

I think a remake would be better than all of the "enhancements" made to the original.

ps the character's name is "Daniel Larusso". Miyagi calls him "Daniel-san" which comes from the Japanese language where "-san" is applied to names as a sign of respect. In all honesty, I would think another suffix would have been more appropriate to show the master-student relationship, but that's a whole other thing. Long story short: his name is "Daniel", not "Danielson".

[Lacit170]

A character's race need not be set in stone. There are some places where it would be, but in the case of Miyagi, he can just as easily be an old Chinese martial arts master as an old Japanese martial arts master. Or hell, he can be a Japanese martial arts master who is being played by a Chinese actor. I assure you the average person doesn't know the difference if you don't tell them. I'd wager the average person can't even tell the distinction between the term "kung fu" and "karate".


The old-man martial arts master archetype needn't be specifically Japanese. To say that he must be Japanese is entirely racist.


Right, but sometimes it doesn't matter, and sometimes it can be improved. Personally, I really like Kingpin and Nick Fury being Black, at least so far as the particular actors in question do it. It really doesn't matter for all characters.


YOU ARE ANNOYING..... for you entire blurb and comments on EVERYTHING people have to say....

[drobswim13]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

A character's race need not be set in stone. There are some places where it would be, but in the case of Miyagi, he can just as easily be an old Chinese martial arts master as an old Japanese martial arts master. Or hell, he can be a Japanese martial arts master who is being played by a Chinese actor. I assure you the average person doesn't know the difference if you don't tell them. I'd wager the average person can't even tell the distinction between the term "kung fu" and "karate".


The old-man martial arts master archetype needn't be specifically Japanese. To say that he must be Japanese is entirely racist.


Right, but sometimes it doesn't matter, and sometimes it can be improved. Personally, I really like Kingpin and Nick Fury being Black, at least so far as the particular actors in question do it. It really doesn't matter for all characters.


YOU ARE ANNOYING..... for you entire blurb and comments on EVERYTHING people have to say....

I'm not sure if you are talking to me or Afrobean here, but i will elaborate if you are talking to me. I'm not telling you that all ethinicities have to stay the same for each individual character in every novel, comic, or anything else that comes to film (I just think it works better that way in some cases). I honestly do not care about having a Japanese or Chinese actor reprise Mr. Miyagi in this film, because I will not go see it regardless.

And I never said that the old man martial arts archetype had to be Japanese at all. Martial arts forms have come from all parts of Asia (I'm partial to Aikido, myself, but that will never arise in the KK because it is almost all defense oriented).

And I still don't believe that if you feel the author or writer originally intended a white, black, asian, native american, or whatever to play that role, it is not racism if you want it to be kept that way. I respect your opinion about how some roles don't seem to really matter when it comes to ethnicity, and I think you have some good points, so I will leave it at that.

[Blue_Blood]

Originally Posted by Afrobean

Are they replacing the character? I heard Jackie Chan was going to be playing the character. Same character, different actor.


Irrelevant to the topic. Reasons for why Will Smith might want such a remake to be made have nothing to do with how the final film will be. Will Smith's film career is completely irrelevant here, and this is no time to be bashing one of his more recent films just because you didn't enjoy it. It is irrelevant.


I agree, but this is also irrelevant.


I think Jackie Chan is capable enough. The issue of him being Chinese is a little weird, but most Americans can't tell the difference, and really, I think it's kind of racist if someone thinks that a Chinese person shouldn't be able to play a Japanese character.

I mean, think of it this way. Say they're doing a movie set in Germany. You don't think it's absurd to say that all of the German characters MUST be played by German actors? You don't think that a British man might be able to pass for German?

Can you personally identify the specific facial structures that can let you know whether a person is of Germanic or Scandinavian descent? Chinese or Korean? British or Irish?


You are a racist if you think ethnicities cannot ever be changed. If they wanted to change Miyagi to Chin and make the story about teaching kung fu instead of karate, would you be mad?

Did you see Daredevil? Wilson Fisk is White in the comics, but for the film, they made him Black. I think it works well. Did you see Iron Man? In the comics, Nick Fury is a White man, but they changed his race for the Ultimate continuity and the film character is based on that iteration. I think it works well. Races for characters can often be changed on the fly because race DOES NOT MAKE A CHARACTER.

A character's race need not be set in stone. There are some places where it would be, but in the case of Miyagi, he can just as easily be an old Chinese martial arts master as an old Japanese martial arts master. Or hell, he can be a Japanese martial arts master who is being played by a Chinese actor. I assure you the average person doesn't know the difference if you don't tell them. I'd wager the average person can't even tell the distinction between the term "kung fu" and "karate".


The old-man martial arts master archetype needn't be specifically Japanese. To say that he must be Japanese is entirely racist.


Right, but sometimes it doesn't matter, and sometimes it can be improved. Personally, I really like Kingpin and Nick Fury being Black, at least so far as the particular actors in question do it. It really doesn't matter for all characters.


Are you familiar with Pat Morita's work before The Karate Kid? Yeah, he should have gotten dozens of acting awards for his take as Arnold on Happy Days.

Jackie Chan isn't a terrible actor. You guys just are unable to give him a chance.

Is this Will Smith? ^^^^^^