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Old 07-22-2009, 12:10 PM   #1
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I only saw the movie once and was curious to what they added tot he directors cut
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Old 07-22-2009, 12:36 PM   #2
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I haven't watched the director's cut but I know one of the new scenes is where
[Show spoiler]Hollis Mason (original Nite Owl) gets killed by the knot tops
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[Show spoiler]1) Rorschach vs cops in Blake's apartment. The first extra scene is also the very worst in the movie. As Rorschach goes through Eddie Blake's closet and learns he was the Comedian, two uniformed cops come in to investigate noises. One gets knocked out by Rorschach, and the other seemingly empties a clip into Rorschach's back as the vigilante stands on the window ledge before jumping out, which happens offscreen for maximum Batmanlike effect. It's a terrible scene for a couple of reasons - one, it's an action beat where the movie doesn't need one, the cop shooting at Rorschach at seemingly point blank range but missing is silly and it ruins a glorious transition from the original cut, where Rorschach is looking at a picture of the Minutemen and we go to the same picture in Hollis Mason's house. But the good news is that this is the hands down worst addition, so we get that out of the way fast.

2) Hollis and Dan see Rorschach on TV. A tiny beat is added to the Hollis and Dan reminiscing scene, where they see Rorschach on television as a newscaster talks about the superhero beating up a cop.

3) Out of the subway. Dan walks out of the subway on his way home from Hollis' house. The camera pans up a giant Nostalgia ad.

4) In the kitchen. Dan mentions the cop attack to Rorschach in the kitchen. Rorschach dismisses it, saying the cop wasn't permanently injured.

5) Possible: the secret entrance. When Dan tells Rorschach they should continue their conversation downstairs we see him open up a bookcase that conceals the secret entrance to the basement. I'm not certain if this bit, which is just an extra shot, was in the original cut.

6) Rorschach walks in the rain. After leaving Dan's house we see Rorschach walking through the rain, voice overing a non-story Rorschach's Journal entry. It's essentially extraneous, as are many of the extra Rorschach scenes.

7) Dan and Laurie and the cab. After their dinner, Dan walks Laurie to a cab. The extension is a line or two where he asks her if she always travels with federal bodyguards, and she talks about how they want to make sure she isn't upsetting Dr. Manhattan. This is setting up Laurie's later house arrest.

8) Kovacs walks at the funeral. There's more of Rorschach as Kovacs walking with his doomsday sign outside the gates of the cemetery before the Comedian's funeral. I'm assuming that the addition of a couple of seconds of footage impacts editing later on in the sequence, as it's set to a Simon and Garfunkle song, but I wasn't able to see what was trimmed or notice if the song plays longer in this cut.

9) Comedian on the chopper. During the opening of the Dr. Manhattan flashback to Viet Nam we get an extra shot of the Comedian on a helicopter, shooting a pistol at people on the ground and grinning like a madman.

10) Dr. Manhattan arrives at Crimebusters. The Crimebusters meeting flashback begins with Manhattan and Janey Slater teleporting in. "See," he says to her. "I told you you wouldn't be the only one dressed up." Laurie takes notice of him. This is an addition that's weird in that it feels like it just should have been in the movie from the start - it's about 12 seconds, tops, and it's one of the few scenes that shows us the more human Dr. Manhattan. We hear so much about how he's lost his humanity that seeing him joke shows us that humanity.

11) Eddie talks more. There's more of the Comedian talking about how useless the superhero team concept is. It's a pretty good addition, and the Comedian makes his point more clearly. Rorschach gets a whiny word in edgewise.

12) The Comedian vs rioters. During Dan's flashback to the Keene Act riots we get a little bit more before the Comedian jumps off the Owlship and starts breaking heads. A woman shouts up "My son is a cop and he lost his job because of you ******s!" Someone throws a can which nails the Comedian in the forehead; that's what makes him decide to start kicking ass.

13) Possible: More Moloch. There's a couple of extra seconds of Moloch coming home before he gets jumped by Rorschach. The ex-villain gets his mail.

14) The news vendor and Kovacs. As Dan and Laurie leave to go to Hollis Mason's we see the news vendor and the comic book kid for a moment. The news vendor tells Kovacs that the New Frontierman hasn't arrived yet. Apparently there's more of the kid and the vendor in the Ultimate Cut, coming this Christmas. Those hoping that the Director's Cut might add more of these characters so that their deaths at the end carry more meaning will be disappointed.

15) Laurie's itching for a fight. As Dan and Laurie walk to Hollis' Dan warns her this is a bad neighborhood. "Good," she says. "I'm in a bad mood."

16) Manhattan empties the TV studio. After being ambushed on live TV and freaking out, Dr. Manhattan makes everyone in the TV studio disappear before going off to Mars. This addition better pays off the 'Leave me alone!' yell; in the original cut John just goes to Mars.

17) Extended post-mugging. After finishing off the muggers we have a longer moment with Dan and Laurie. Laurie's done for the night; Dan tries to get her to go to Hollis', but she goes home to the military base. It's an interesting look at how the characters react to the violence; while Laurie relishes it in the moment, she's shaken afterwards. Dan is more controlled during the fight, but he's still raring to go afterwards. This is reflected in the post-tenement fire and the post-jail break scenes.

18) Additional Hollis scene. Dan goes to Hollis' house, where they see Dr. Manhattan freak out on television.

19) Possible: Extra shot of John during his origin. This is one I'm really unsure about. As John is on Mars recalling his origin, there seems to be an extra shot of him hovering in the air, with fall leaves floating in the air.

20) John explains the symbol on his forehead. As John draws the symbol on his forehead he explains that the marketing boys want him to have a logo, and that he chose one he can respect. This is simply a voice over addition, and I'm not sure why it wasn't there in the first place.

21) Laurie is questioned by the Feds. Returning to her quarters, Laurie is held for questioning by the Feds in Dr. Manhattan's disappearance. They want to know where he could have gone and what she did to make him leave. When one starts making misogynistic insinuations about her, she slams his head into a ping pong table.

22) Laurie's flashback to the Crimebusters. The second most important missing scene! After walking out of the Crimebusters meeting Laurie talks to the Comedian - until her mother barges in. This sets up Laurie's later realization on Mars that the Comedian is her father. In the original cut this scene is only shown during Laurie's flashback on Mars, lending it zero emotional weight and giving it none of the surprise that comes from seeing it play out once in a different context. Here it seems like Blake is hitting on the young girl, and it's the repetition of the scene that really pays it off. This missing scene was the edit I felt most in the original cut.

23) Manhattan is discovered on Mars. As the Feds hold Laurie in house arrest Felix Gaeta from Battlestar Galactica walks in and says they found Manhattan on Mars. Since this was cut in the original version there's some ADR when Laurie meets Manhattan in Dan's basement: "The TV says you're on Mars." Strangely, that ADR remains in the Director's Cut, despite the reintroduction of this scene showing how Laurie found out John's whereabouts.

24) Nixon the madman. There's an extended version of the scene where Nixon learns that Manhattan has left. We learn more about the possible Soviet reaction, and Kissinger counsels that the president must scare the Russians by being "Nixon the madman."

25) Laurie's escape. As the scientists lay out satellite photos of Mars and Dr. Manhattan's location, Laurie beats up the misogynistic Fed, takes his gun and escapes. This sets up Laurie's gun in Karnak at the end of the film.

26) Veidt's assistant will take no dictation. During the assassination attempt by Roy Chess Veidt's assistant takes even more damage. Besides taking a bullet through the calf, she gets her fingers shot right off in clinical detail. This is a little over the top, and the original version of the scene plays better and less splatsticky.

27) Rorschach's secret hiding place. We see where Rorschach hides his stuff, in a garbage bin in an alley. Folks hoping to see Kovac's slutty landlady will be disappointed. After getting his outfit on, Rorschach hears an assault in progress. "Some nights the city is generous to me."

28) Roy Chess investigation. Straight from that Rorschach breaks into Roy Chess' apartment looking for clues. He finds a matchbook from Happy Harry's Bar, where he and Dan go at the end of the film to get leads.

29) Extended psych evaluation. The psych evaluation scene plays out slightly longer, with Rorschach getting a couple of more lines in. Nothing earth shattering, but slightly more Rorschach character stuff.

30) Possible: The murderer comes home. Probably the scene I'm least sure about. During Rorschach's flashback to the case that made him a sociopath there seems to be a couple of extra seconds of the murderer coming home, just before Rorschach starts throwing dog corpses at him.

31) The doctor gives up. At the end of the psych evaluation the doctor leaves the room and tells the guard "I can't help him."

32) Dan remembers Hollis. When Laurie finds Dan looking at the old costumes in his basement there's a very quick additional line where Dan reminisces about meeting Hollis Mason for the first time and the connection they had.

33) The tenement girl sees Jesus. As Laurie leads people from the burning tenement into the Owlship a young girl asks her mother if Nite Owl is Jesus. There is no additional scene of Laurie getting everyone coffee and the original cut keeps the transition from Dan and Laurie sharing a lusty stare as the Owlship leaves the tenement to the people having been offloaded and Laurie putting away the coffee cups.

34) Rorschach's not home. When Dan and Laurie break into prison the first place they go is Rorschach's cell. They see that he's not there and that Lawrence's armless corpse is laying outside the bars.

35) Leaving prison. Dan, Laurie and Rorschach get onto the prison roof. As Dan calls Archie over, Rorschach says that the only thing that could get Dan back in costume was a nice pair of legs. Then he essentially calls Laurie a ***** for cheating on Dr. Manhattan. They start bickering but have to stop as cops come out on the roof. They open fire on the Owlship as Rorschach closes the hatch. This scene sets up why Laurie is bummed out when they get back to Dan's house. It also sets up why Dan is so pissed off at Rorschach when he talks about Dan's weakness for women.

36) Hollis Mason's death. This is the big one. Really, if you needed any reason to buy the Director's Cut, it's this scene. It opens with the news vendor and the comic book reading kid; a group of Knot Tops come out of the subway and stop in front of the newstand to discuss how Nite Owl just busted Rorschach out of prison. One of the Knot Tops says that Rorschach killed his buddy. Another says that the Nite Owl lives in the neighborhood, and they should go get revenge.

Meanwhile, Hollis is on the phone with Sally Jupiter. When she asks why he finally called after all these years he says because the TV just showed Dan and Laurie at the tenement fire, and that he's thinking about the old days. They chat briefly but he hangs up when someone knocks on the door. It's the Knot Tops; they bust in and start beating him down. In a glorious scene scored to Intermezzo from Cavelleria Rusticana Hollis fights back, using an old boxer's stance. As he lands punches he sees his attackers as his old enemies from the 40s; each hit is punctuated by a flashbulb in a way that homages Raging Bull. As Hollis is down and about to be clubbed to death he sees the final attacker as Moloch in his youth.

37) More on Mars. There are some slight dialogue additions between John and Laurie on Mars. I would almost swear they used different takes in some of these scenes, but that would be crazy.

38) Dan goes nuts. After Dan and Rorschach get their info at Happy Harry's they see news on Hollis Mason's death on TV. Dan snaps; seeing a Top Knot in the bar he begins savagely beating the guy, knocking out his teeth. Dan screams that he will return and destroy this whole neighborhood, that they'll die (he's right!) and Rorschach grabs his arm and stops him, warning him not to freak out in front of the civilians. When Rorschach and Dan are breaking into Veidt's office we get a glimpse of Dan still being bummed out about Hollis.
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Old 07-22-2009, 12:51 PM   #4
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Disagree that the first scene is "the worst." I liked it, having never scene the theatrical edition, and I thought it fit well.
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Old 07-22-2009, 01:15 PM   #5
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That is a lot of stuff, can't wait to see it.
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Old 07-22-2009, 01:30 PM   #6
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I just watched this last night, and I think almost all the additions accentuate the film, making it that much better. I loved the theatrical cut, but the Driector's Cut is fantastic IMO!
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Old 07-22-2009, 01:35 PM   #7
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I agree. The new scenes make it feel more complete in a way.
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Old 07-22-2009, 01:48 PM   #8
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So is the ultimate cut going to have anymore additional scenes or is it just a recut version of the directors/theatrical cut?
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So is the ultimate cut going to have anymore additional scenes or is it just a recut version of the directors/theatrical cut?
the ultimate edition is the directors cut with the animated tales of the black freighter interwoven throughout it.
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the ultimate edition is the directors cut with the animated tales of the black freighter interwoven throughout it.
I'm gonna stick with the director's cut. Flame me if you want, I just don't think the Black Freighter stuff is gonna flow well with the story.

It's so unrelated to anything going on, I feel it'll just take you out of the movie for a few minutes at a time, for no real reason.

I think it's an unnecessary addition to an already great film. I don't think it worked in its original context either. But maybe that's just me...

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Old 07-22-2009, 02:25 PM   #11
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Also the movie is called "Watchmen" not "The Watchmen".
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Old 07-22-2009, 02:26 PM   #12
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You shouldn't get flamed. Snyder himself prefers the Director's Cut over the Ultimate Cut (I know that might seem obvious, given the labels, but many director's cuts are incorrectly labeled, ex. Alien).

I think it's going to be a very interesting version, but that's why I'm double dipping. I prefer to have both versions on my shelf, depending on which one I want to watch.
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Also the movie is called "Watchmen" not "The Watchmen".
Yeah, that has been getting a bit old.
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I'm gonna stick with the director's cut. Flame me if you want, I just don't think the Black Freighter stuff is gonna flow well with the story.

It's so unrelated to anything going on, I feel it'll just take you out of the movie for a few minutes at a time, for no real reason.

I think it's an unnecessary addition to an already great film. I don't think it worked in its original context either. But maybe that's just me...
agreed, agreed, and agreed
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Waiting for my copy to get here (free shipping will be a little while) but it's a blind buy for me.

With the directors cut, I'm glad I didn't see it in the theater
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Waiting for my copy to get here (free shipping will be a little while) but it's a blind buy for me.

With the directors cut, I'm glad I didn't see it in the theater
same here. i waited 20 freakin years for this move. no way i was gonna let someone bringing a baby to the theatre ruin my experience. now i get to watch it on my 131" home theatre
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Sorry to see they never filmed the scene with John's father throwing out the pieced apart pocket watch. It struck me as very powerful in the graphic novel and yet is absent here.
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only one scene seemed redundant and felt like it was unnesecary since it was explained later in the movie.

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[Show spoiler]21) Laurie is questioned by the Feds. Returning to her quarters, Laurie is held for questioning by the Feds in Dr. Manhattan's disappearance. They want to know where he could have gone and what she did to make him leave. When one starts making misogynistic insinuations about her, she slams his head into a ping pong table
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the ultimate edition is the directors cut with the animated tales of the black freighter interwoven throughout it.
Wouldn't they have to include some additional scenes from the "movie". I mean they only show the comic stand guy & kid I think twice or so. Like the way it's done in the GN is before every Black Freighter intercut or whatever they show the kid at the stand reading it + some dialogue from the comic stand guy and/or kid. It would seem weird not to have ALL the scenes w/ the comic stand guy & kid as depicted in the GN, otherwise it'd just seem stupid to me. They can't just simply switch to TBF with no transition of any kind. You know what I mean?
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All the early reports of the Ultimate Cut say that it'll be 15 min longer. Seeing as how The Black Freighter alone is 26 min, not to mention the inclusion of all the Bernie scenes you're talking about, I'm very VERY curious to see what the hell's going. Either they're really gonna have to shorten the Black Freighter down (but then why do it at all?), or 201 min is incorrect.
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