Replacing HTIB receiver with something else?

[skatalite]

Alright guys, I'm wanting to dive into the world of "better" home theater audio, and am looking forward to straight-forward insight

Right now I have a Sony HTS-S2300 HTIB. It's nice, but it's 5.1 and I want to go 7.1 since I might as well have too many speakers than not enough, haha.

So, what I'm thinking is to build the new audio system in pieces. Starting with a new receiver.

According to the specs (http://tinyurl.com/ny46w9), each speaker is 3 Ohms and handles 143 watts, and 285 watts for the sub, for a total of 1,000 watts. For some reason, I've got a feeling many of you will say the power is exaggerated, which wouldn't surprise me.

Like I said: I want to get a new receiver, and am looking at the following, but I want to make sure my speakers will be compatible and that I'll achieve a good start to a new system.

I'd be using this with a PS3 Slim.

In no specific order:

1. Pioneer VSX-1019AH-K. 840 watts, 7.1 (so, 120 watts per channel). Decodes HD codecs as well as traditional codecs, 24p. Priced at $509 at Best Buy. Link: http://tinyurl.com/nyuwrc

2. Denon AVR790. 630 watts, 7.1 (90 watts per channel). Decodes what I want it to, 24p output, priced at $500 at Best Buy. Link: http://tinyurl.com/nrt3vq

3. Yamaha RX-V565. 630 watts, 7.1 (90 watts per). Decodes all the goods, 24p output, priced at $430 at Best Buy. Link: http://tinyurl.com/kj84db

I'm just looking for a 7.1 receiver that will be compatible with my current speakers from the S2300.

Any help would be greatly, greatly appreciated

[ZIPPO]

Sorry to say, you're better off starting from scratch.

[skatalite]

Originally Posted by ZIPPO

Sorry to say, you're better off starting from scratch.

Can you explain why?

Not trying to be confrontational, just want to learn some things.

[crazyBLUE]

Originally Posted by ZIPPO

Sorry to say, you're better off starting from scratch.

ZIPPO Is right ! Those 3 ohm speakers would hurt A new receiver unless you had an External amp !

[ZIPPO]

Keep using what you have until you have saved up for a bigger budget. Get receiver & speakers together.

[Steve]

Originally Posted by skatalite

According to the specs (http://tinyurl.com/ny46w9), each speaker is 3 Ohms and handles 143 watts, and 285 watts for the sub, for a total of 1,000 watts. For some reason, I've got a feeling many of you will say the power is exaggerated, which wouldn't surprise me.

This is the problem. HTiBs often use an impedance of 3 Ohms for their speakers and 'receivers'. However, standard consumer AV receivers are made to work with speakers from 6 up to about 16 Ohms, with 8 being the most common. If you hook those 3 Ohm speakers up to a receiver meant to power speakers with an impedance of 6 Ohms or higher, you will likely damage or destroy the receiver. As suggested, you will be better off starting from scratch.

[skatalite]

Originally Posted by crazyBLUE

ZIPPO Is right ! Those 3 ohm speakers would hurt A new receiver unless you had an External amp !

This is what I was thinking ZIPPO was referring to, was the load.

Looks like 8 ohm speakers are in my future, too.

Originally Posted by ZIPPO

Keep using what you have until you have saved up for a bigger budget. Get receiver & speakers together.

Thanks for the explanation.

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I could get new speakers right now if I wanted, so I'm still curious which of the three receivers are recommended.

[crazyBLUE]

Originally Posted by skatalite

This is what I was thinking ZIPPO was referring to, was the load.

Looks like 8 ohm speakers are in my future, too.



Thanks for the explanation.

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I could get new speakers right now if I wanted, so I'm still curious which of the three receivers are recommended.

My suggestion is to go to best buy & listen to the 3 receivers & choose the one you like best ! Do the same with speaker & choose the one that sounds best to you !

[Steve]

Of the three you listed, I would probably go with the Pioneer, but there's nothing wrong with any of them.

[skatalite]

Thanks, guys!

[callas01]

This thread basically answers your question.. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=111992 ..... in case you don't understand, the jist is, don't do it.

Honestly you would be better off saving up your money until you can get a new reciever and a pair of Front speakers.... even if you start with just the bookshelfs you plan to move to the rear later.

In particular I would buy in this order
1. Denon
2. Pioneer
3. Yamaha

[skatalite]

Originally Posted by callas01

This thread basically answers your question.. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=111992 ..... in case you don't understand, the jist is, don't do it.

Honestly you would be better off saving up your money until you can get a new reciever and a pair of Front speakers.... even if you start with just the bookshelfs you plan to move to the rear later.

In particular I would buy in this order
1. Denon
2. Pioneer
3. Yamaha

I understand it. Thanks for the link.

Another question I have is: How would 600-800 watts of Denon or Panasonic power be compared to 1,000 watts of Sony HTIB power?

I mentioned in my original post that I wouldn't be surprised if the specs on the Sony were a bit liberal.

Now, to look at speakers

[callas01]

I think the way it is, but someone smarter then me can prolly help me answer this but I think the lower the impedence (3 ohm) the more power you need and therefore the more wattage to = the same amount of dBs(volume).... I think.

someone help me if I got that wrong.

[skatalite]

Originally Posted by callas01

I think the way it is, but someone smarter then me can prolly help me answer this but I think the lower the impedence (3 ohm) the more power you need and therefore the more wattage to = the same amount of dBs(volume).... I think.

someone help me if I got that wrong.

Ah, I see. I'll look into that, too, but if someone could confirm or elaborate on callas' post, I'd appreciate it.

[crazyBLUE]

Originally Posted by fireman325

This is the problem. HTiBs often use an impedance of 3 Ohms for their speakers and 'receivers'. However, standard consumer AV receivers are made to work with speakers from 6 up to about 16 Ohms, with 8 being the most common. If you hook those 3 Ohm speakers up to a receiver meant to power speakers with an impedance of 6 Ohms or higher, you will likely damage or destroy the receiver. As suggested, you will be better off starting from scratch.

Originally Posted by callas01

I think the way it is, but someone smarter then me can prolly help me answer this but I think the lower the impedence (3 ohm) the more power you need and therefore the more wattage to = the same amount of dBs(volume).... I think.

someone help me if I got that wrong.

callas ~ fireman's post does A good job saying why you should not do it ! That is one reason for an external amps ! It is easier for an amp to handle the lower ohm speakers than A receiver that is not made to do it !

[Steve]

Big Daddy has a very thorough sticky explaining the impedance issue here.

[skatalite]

Originally Posted by fireman325

Big Daddy has a very thorough sticky explaining the impedance issue here.

Thanks!