For those worried about Warner Brothers - read this!

[joeorc]

something i have been saying why Warner Bros. is in the blu-ray court..they are on the BDA board of directors for a reason...that reason is the very fact that Warner Bros. hold's something in BLU-RAY that would make them want to keep support:
http://www.mpegla.com/news/n_07-02-21_pr.pdf

people worry too much...
worry warts....

and those who have not seen this:
http://www.mpegla.com/news/n_06-07-27_pr.pdf

[WickyWoo]

All that is is a "Blu rights package" that cuts down the paperwork for Blu licensing.

Toshiba is making Blu drives with Samsung, it's not really applicable

[joeorc]

Warner Bros. hold some of blu-ray's Patents...thats the point.

http://www.google.com/patents?id=skt...cal+disc+media


notice the list of companys..its the board of directors they are the origional developers of the format. Warner Bros. is one of those companies. they hold a vested interest to keep blu-ray arround.

[WickyWoo]

But nowhere close to what they hold in DVD/HD DVD is the point

[joeorc]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

But nowhere close to what they hold in DVD/HD DVD is the point

Warner Bros. holds Patents in HD DVD...what are they.....?, because the only patent's held for the HD DVD IS SPLIT AMONG THE DVD FORUM..?.just like the BDA.?..WHO ARE ON THE DVD forum steering committee. my poit is what PATENTS in HD DVD does Warner Bros. hold in HD DVD because one they are on A BOARD OF DIRECTORS on one format and on the steering committee of the other.

http://www.dvdforum.org/about-steering.htm

Press Release

*****For immediate use August 29th, 2002
Toshiba and NEC Jointly Propose Next Generation, High Capacity, Blue-Laser DVD Format


Tokyo-Toshiba Corporation and NEC Corporation today jointly proposed to the DVD Forum a next-generation, high-capacity, blue-laser DVD format that will allow manufacturers to continue to use existing DVD plant and equipment and so minimize the investment required for the transition to next-generation DVD players and drives. Adoption of the proposed format will bring benefits to hardware and software developers, manufacturers and consumers.

The format proposed by Toshiba and NEC covers both read-only discs that are used to distribute high-definition movies, and read-and-write discs. The format utilizes a short wavelength blue laser and the same disc technology used in current DVDs-back-to-back bonding of two 0.6mm thick, 120mm discs.

The proposed format increases the capacity of read-only discs to 15GB for a single-sided, single-layer disc, and to 30 GB for a single-sided dual-layer disc, and pushes the capacity of read-and-write discs, which currently are single-sided with a single-layer, to 20GB. Today's single-sided dual-layer read-only discs have a capacity of 8.5 GB, while read-and-write discs (single-sided, single-layer only) can store up to 4.7GB of data. The increased capacity of the proposed format is achieved by employing a blue laser, and by utilizing the two companies' new signal-processing and phase-change media recording technologies.

In addition, Toshiba and NEC will shortly propose a 40GB single-sided, dual-layer read-and-write disc to the DVD Forum.

Please see attached chart for more details on the proposed format.

The DVD Forum established two subgroups to study different technical approaches toward the next-generation blue laser DVD format in February this year. One is considering an approach based on a 0.6mm disc substrate, the same method employed in current DVDs, and the other a 0.1mm cover layer. Toshiba and NEC separately promoted research on a 0.6mm disc substrate, the same as that of current DVD discs. After verifying one another's technology they decided to jointly propose a single, unified format to the DVD Forum.

High-definition digital imaging is the wave of the future, an increasingly powerful force in terrestrial and satellite-based broadcasting, the cinema, and in the delivery of games and entertainment and computer applications. The richer data sources and heightened user experience that digital media offer can be seen in the fast penetration of DVD, and in the growing demand for digital media supporting even higher capacities. Toshiba and NEC support this trend, with a format that provides a cost-effective upgrade path for media vendors, and a backward-compatible solution for the many consumers who have built DVD libraries.

The new formats also meets the needs of the PC-industry-driven optical-drive business, where coming years will see demand for combination drives that can handle both current and next-generation DVD media.

Toshiba and NEC's proposal is based on the following four advantages.

1.

It meets manufacturers' needs by enabling use of the same manufacturing infrastructure as current DVD, which minimizes disc production costs.
2.

It supports development of backward compatible players that can playback current and next generation DVD.
3.

Like the current DVD, it is easy to realize a disc that does not need a cartridge, which allows slim drives that can be integrated into portable equipment.
4.

It is easy to realize dual-layer discs, as the back-to-back bonding of 0.6mm-thick discs is the same as for current DVD.

Toshiba and NEC will together submit technical data to the DVD Forum that is necessary for the standardization of the next-generation, high-capacity, blue-laser DVD.

http://www.nec.co.jp/press/en/0208/2901.html

[LeoneFan]

Hey man all this doesn't hold a candle to power of the good old dollar. Warner will go where the pay off is just like Paramount.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by LeoneFan

Hey man all this doesn't hold a candle to power of the good old dollar. Warner will go where the pay off is just like Paramount.

Depends on what you mean. The tactical pay off, or the stategic one?

Paramount has supressed HDM. So, their tactic windfall is tempered by the collective lost or deferred revenue they've caused by the move.

Warner is a leader in driving adoption, and takes pride in it. If they went HD DVD exclusive they could cause a fatal blow to HDM. Yet, their strategy seemed to be working considering their relatively massive HDM revenue.

Compared to DVD at the same point after launch, I believe HDM is actually ahead of DVD at the same point in disc sales and big unit titles.

Gary

[joeorc]

Originally Posted by LeoneFan

Hey man all this doesn't hold a candle to power of the good old dollar. Warner will go where the pay off is just like Paramount.

why do you file patents..to make money...is blu-ray disc's and players selling..that's the point how much money does Warner Bros. patents net Warner Bros. esp. they were one of the creators of the blu-ray format. while NEC and Toshiba were the ones THAT CREATED the HD DVD format. what format does Warner Bros have a more vested interest in. now that BD j is out for the studios, and those interactive features can be used for blu-ray does Warner Bros. drop a source of money that they have patents in... , its not like the BDA is a small money generating company or anything..alot of movies sales, and SOFTWARE SALES has been done. and Warner Bros. gets a cut. the same goes for HD DVD except for SOFTWARE ..THERE IS NO HD DVD software except for dragons lair.. ,which is also on blu-ray.. , which format does Warner get a bigger cut from.

MARKET:
HD DVD IS: movies+blank media
Blu-Ray is: movies+blank media+software



speaking of which did Warner Bros. just start their own software company....i think they are..

[Papi4baby]

HD DVD is software too, but i believe is all handle by MS, which is why they back HD DVD.

[joeorc]

Originally Posted by Papi4baby

HD DVD is software too, but i believe is all handle by MS, which is why they back HD DVD.

what i am talking about is GAMES an PC software published on the HD DVD format..which HD DVD is not being used for that function . though BLU-RAY is... .
that is a problem
the FOLLOWING formats are or being used for

DATA+ MOVIES+MUSIC+SOFTWARE:

CD
DVD
BLU-RAY

THE FOLLOWING formats are or being used JUST for DATA+ MOVIES
HD DVD

Yea HD DVD is a great multi-use format like CD,DVD,BLU-RAY..

[Teazle]

Originally Posted by joeorc

what i am talking about is GAMES an PC software published on the HD DVD format..which HD DVD is not being used for that function . though BLU-RAY is... .
that is a problem
the FOLLOWING formats are or being used for

DATA+ MOVIES+MUSIC+SOFTWARE:

CD
DVD
BLU-RAY

THE FOLLOWING formats are or being used JUST for DATA+ MOVIES
HD DVD

Yea HD DVD is a great multi-use format like CD,DVD,BLU-RAY..

If you count those mini-Blu-Rays used on the upcoming camcorders add home movies as well.

[joeorc]

Originally Posted by Teazle

If you count those mini-Blu-Rays used on the upcoming camcorders add home movies as well.

forgot about that one..thanks +1 more use as a standard OPTICAL FORMAT that HD DVD is not being used for. and some naysayers state that blu-ray is not a standard...