Discussion - what is HD DVD up to?

[dcxfordgm]

I own a blu ray machine, the PS3 and I love it but I am interesting in possible picking up a new HDDVD player when the new ones come out. I think this war is far from over because of how deep microsofts pockets are and they have shown what they can do in the last 3 weeks.

Is it possible two formats can coexists, I believe they can and there are a few cards HDDVD is going to play sooner then later and that is release new players and start pushing outside of america and this you can see in england, that is for sure. The second is a HDDVD drive in a maybe called 360.2 Xbox and that should keep the field level.

Bluray seems to be refining there machines and progressing in a steady upward curve but they should not relax because the powers that be behind HDDVD are far from letting Bluray get to far ahead!

[halon]

ummm......TROLL?



I think so.

[dcxfordgm]

Go troll yourself!


I have shown my setup here and own 3 blu ray machines, there is nothing wrong with discussing the other side senior member and what they are up too!

[Spankey]

I have shown my setup here and own 3 blu ray machines, there is nothing wrong with discussing the other side senior member!

HD-DVD.com or AVSForum.com would be the place to do that. Enjoy!

[dcxfordgm]

It should not be, we should also be discussing in somewhat, what the other side is up to. I was also going to post some new blu-ray information in europe but I am a little ticked , this is like my thrid post here. I have emailed the mod to see what can be done to correct this.

I see discussion on what HDDVD is doing on here and it is discussed. Of course it is mostly Bluray and so it should be, but we should be discussing what the other side is up to also!

[scott1256ca]

So you didn't ask any questions. What exactly do you want to discuss?

[WickyWoo]

You guys probably scared him away

Enough with the screams of "troll" every time someone shows up with a newbie question that's worded slightly oddly. Innocent until proven guilty still applies here people. All of them have been false alarms and I'm sick of having 20 emails piling up in my box 3-4 times a day virtually all of which are people overreacting.

[GTsmokeya]

I agree with the moderator here it takes leadership and cool heads to lead a smarter and more victoroius war here. I think its funny that the first person to reply owns a toshiba tv. hmm. thats all. A healthy discussion has never hurt anyone.

GTsmokeya

[zombieking]

Originally Posted by scott1256ca

So you didn't ask any questions. What exactly do you want to discuss?

He did ask if two formats can co-exist.

[Smackos]

The problem with anything really related to anything xbox 360 wise is of course the reliability issues. If it was'nt for these then I'd hedge my bets that a few more 360 owners would already own an addon drive than they do currently. If 360.2 or whatever it's called if it even really exists yet it'll still be based on the same 360 chassis an as such would put a lot of people off from buying it. I would'nt want a HD player knowing that chances are sometime within the next two years it'll crap out on me. Even covered by the limited warrenty it's still a nightmare and would mean going without a player for a couple of weeks at a time. If the PS 3 had the same reliability issues I'd have gotten a stand alone instead..

[WickyWoo]

The problem with anything really related to anything xbox 360 wise is of course the reliability issues. If it was'nt for these then I'd hedge my bets that a few more 360 owners would already own an addon drive than they do currently. If 360.2 or whatever it's called if it even really exists yet it'll still be based on the same 360 chassis an as such would put a lot of people off from buying it.

The heart of the red rings problem is a lack of cooling on the GPU. Extreme heat and then cooling cycles break solder points

They've added a heatpiped heatsink to the GPU, and the new design is 65nm which runs far cooler. The problem is solved.

The outward case has nothing to do with it.

[scott1256ca]

Well, as far as both formats co-existing. Depends on what you want out of the format. I think they can both co-exist as niche products, but I don't think both can co-exist as anything close to mainstream. If either side threw in the towel today, I doubt either would knock dvd out of top spot anytime in the next 5 years.

I think if one side threw in the towel now, then the remaining format could gain enough traction to get a really good selection of titles within 2 years or so. By that I mean the vast majority of box office smashes, pretty much all day and date with dvd of anything new from the majors, and a fair percentage of catalog of relatively well known titles.

I don't think we'll see anywhere near that number of titles if both formats continue to duke it out. Some big names, like Star Wars or LOTR, may sit on the sidelines for a long time.

So what is it that is going on in England that makes you (or anyone else) think that HD DVD is going to start taking off? That is a legitimate question, because I haven't seen anyone posting anything specific about that.

[scott1256ca]

They've added a heatpiped heatsink to the GPU, and the new design is 65nm which runs far cooler. The problem is solved.

That is for new units, yes? If you had an existing unit, without those changes, would you add in the load of using your 360 to watch HD given that you know about the reliability problems with them?

Maybe you could, which might cause it to die and you could get a new unit. Hmmmm.

[Footloose301]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

The heart of the red rings problem is a lack of cooling on the GPU. Extreme heat and then cooling cycles break solder points

They've added a heatpiped heatsink to the GPU, and the new design is 65nm which runs far cooler. The problem is solved.

The outward case has nothing to do with it.

Since you guys brought it up. I thought it was funny when I was in Best Buy a few hours ago buying my "Vacancy" on Blu-ray when I walked past the XBOX360 demo machine and it just had its 3 red lights steadily blinking away.... I took a few pics because I just could not hold back the laughter. The employees need to be a bit smarter; When something breaks they should replace it. I don't know how many times I've seen broken cameras or speaker grilles that haven't gotten replaced for weeks.

[Zyclone]

i picked up a 360 plus add on last week for my HD DVD needs an iv'e watched around 8 different HD movies via the add on and not had a single issue so far (fingers crossed)

down under a stand alone player will run you $900 but you can get a core 360 for under $400 now plus the HD ADD on for $250 with money left over for games and movies.

as to wether they will co exist i think they will for awhile still i don't think HD DVD will die this year but by the end of next year i would'nt be shocked if they were in serious trouble. (alot of people think they are now but i believe that the HD field is still to young before start claiming a side is dead

[Footloose301]

Originally Posted by Zyclone

i picked up a 360 plus add on last week for my HD DVD needs an iv'e watched around 8 different HD movies via the add on and not had a single issue so far (fingers crossed)

down under a stand alone player will run you $900 but you can get a core 360 for under $400 now plus the HD ADD on for $250 with money left over for games and movies.

as to wether they will co exist i think they will for awhile still i don't think HD DVD will die this year but by the end of next year i would'nt be shocked if they were in serious trouble. (alot of people think they are now but i believe that the HD field is still to young before start claiming a side is dead

wow..$900! maybe next time give me $800 and I'll ship one to you haha

j/k.

[WickyWoo]

The employees need to be a bit smarter; When something breaks they should replace it. I don't know how many times I've seen broken cameras or speaker grilles that haven't gotten replaced for weeks.

Best Buy does not control the demo units. It is the responsibility of the vendor that pays for their placement (or at least for the unit in there) to replace them.

[UlicBelouve]

I'm not too sure on the 360 add-on. I was real tempted to get one, but I heard enough downsides to avoid it. (Don't worry, I endured the self-flagellation as punishment for my impure thoughts of HD-DVD).

Salespeople always ask me if I think the two can coexist. I say that in a fantasy dream: yes. If I could run the world, I'd have the two merge, with all players being dual-format, and Blu-ray taking the higher-grade five-star movies, and HD-DVD handling the "movie of the week" stuff, lower demand movies. Middle areas could be split, I guess.

Would this work in reality? Probably not, but it's not as hard of a stretch as one might think.

So that answers the initial question of "can the two co-exist?"

I'm also with the moderator on the jumping on trolls bit. I feel that none of us have the grounds to call someone a troll. Report it, and let the admins decide. I always use "possible troll" or "alleged troll", as I could be mistaken. We've got too many "troll sherrifs" here, it should really be the moderators who moderate the site, we just report stuff, they write the tickets.

[lch]

this kind of leniency is what driving away all the insiders.
all the trolls act as neutral starting, then after agitated, reveal their true self.

[BTBuck1]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

Best Buy does not control the demo units. It is the responsibility of the vendor that pays for their placement (or at least for the unit in there) to replace them.

WRONG, yes there are vendors that come in to check the status and make sure the products are functional (usually bi-monthly), but there are very few items in the store that are not store stock marked as "Demo" in RSS inventory. For example, the 360 demo's: The Samsung monitors, are marked D.N.I (do not inventory) but the 360 in the shell is store stock, and there is a store functionality tech who's sole responsibility is to make sure things like this get Devo'd or sent to service and a new unit replace the faulty. Unless the entire planogram consists of vendor provided hardware I. E, the ps3 endcap...Best Buy is responsible for it's functionality, and owns the hardware inside.

So yes, you're store does need to insure the functionality of it's displays, and the opening employee is suppossed to sign off on a functionality walk as part of their opening duties which is in the employee toolkit under action center every day. Does it get done even half the time? In most stores...probably not.