The real cost? - Blu-ray Forum

Todd · 09-13-2007, 12:22 PM

Well I'm bored and the wheels really got to turning. I was just thinking about how they ( xboxers ) say it a better system, and it's cheaper. I dismiss the suggestion of better as the bald face lie that it is. Now we only need to compare the cost. The xbox360 elite cost $450, hd-dvd add on $179, xbox live gold 1 year subscription $50. The total cost for the xbox360 is 679 minus any taxes. The cost for the PS3 is $600. The cost for the xbox360 for the first 5 years is $879, and the cost for the PS3 for the first 5 years is $600. Next time some lame xbox360 fanboy starts babbling about how great their 360 is ask them about how expensive the xbox360 is.

ground chuck · 09-13-2007, 12:32 PM

as with any argument there are 2 sides to each story. one of my best friends has a 360 and i've played on it. there are somethings that the 360 does better than the ps3 and there are other things that are not as good. one of things that i feel the 360 dominants the ps3 is the IM interface that the 360 uses. it is far superior to the ps3, but they have to pay for it ours is free.

don't get me wrong i'm not defending M$.

supersix4 · 09-13-2007, 12:33 PM

well if you look at it via the elite it may not seem great but for the premium its a better deal. As of now and maybe forever, Xbox's Live is BY-FAR better than ps3s online .... Movies to Download not expensive at all, Tv shows TONS of them, tons of XBL arcade games(hopefully ps3 will put more old style games up)... Demos coming out weeks b4 the games do(ps3s starting to get a little better), Tons of trailers, Game videos, downloadable walkthroughs for newbs lol, Upcoming game trailers always coming out... So as of now I feel my 50(actually I paid 25$ 4 a headset, 200 pts to buy movies,games exc, a free pool game, and the 1 year subscription) was well worth the price... I too at one point was like wtf pay for online but xbl changed my mind with everything you can do... + you get free full online arcade games, movies , tv show episodes..... Granted I will give PS time to get there first online sys. going but as of now I don't know how you could say ps's store/online is better than xbl.

richard lichtenfelt · 09-13-2007, 01:18 PM

You forgot to mention the puny 20gb hard drive on xbox. I don't know how people are downloading movies and shows. Where are you going to keep all of this including game saves? A 160gb Tivo w/ 8 times the capacity of the xbox hard drive only holds 20hr of hd content. So you download movies than erase them? MS protects their downloads that keeps you from being able to copy them. You can stream movies over cable or satellite without having to wait hours for the download, or just go to a rental store.
Without fiber optics or laser satellite internet, both of which are years away for most everyone, download movies are estimated to be 8-10 years away from being convenient. Even then I won't care for it as I prefer to own my movies or tv series on discs that never have to be erased in order to change my library.
By the way I own both systems and if it weren't for Halo 3 the Xbox 360 would be gone by now. I can't stand the way that MS nickel and dimes their customers to death.

Copywriter · 09-13-2007, 02:39 PM

I have all the systems and the 360 is miles better in the online network. I can talk to friends via chat while looking through content, playing games and so forth. Can't do it on PS3 (yet I hope).

Also the content on the 360 is better (naturally due to market time). There are many choices. PS3 will get there, but as of today, it comes up very short.

As to the 20g, I don't find it an issue. I don't download many shows/movies. Why the heck would you? I like owning stuff and I want the best quality.

And who cares about paying $50 a year? I mean really. If $50 a year hurts, you can't afford a VG system in the first place. I'd rather pay and have a great system than not pay and have a sub-par one.

Hopefully HOME will really shine. I'm excited.

As of today, the 360 is indeed better. The nice thing is that the PS3 has far more "potential." We just need to see the content come that takes advantage of the system.

Oh and the 360 only coming with a standard DVD player is completely ghetto. If you want HD DVD, it's $180, so no the 360 is not cheaper.

Having said all that, my 360 is resting. I'm enjoying Warhawk. The next 360 game I'm buying for sure is Mass Effect.

Todd · 09-13-2007, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Copywriter

I have all the systems and the 360 is miles better in the online network. I can talk to friends via chat while looking through content, playing games and so forth. Can't do it on PS3 (yet I hope).

Also the content on the 360 is better (naturally due to market time). There are many choices. PS3 will get there, but as of today, it comes up very short.

As to the 20g, I don't find it an issue. I don't download many shows/movies. Why the heck would you? I like owning stuff and I want the best quality.

And who cares about paying $50 a year? I mean really. If $50 a year hurts, you can't afford a VG system in the first place. I'd rather pay and have a great system than not pay and have a sub-par one.

Hopefully HOME will really shine. I'm excited.

As of today, the 360 is indeed better. The nice thing is that the PS3 has far more "potential." We just need to see the content come that takes advantage of the system.

Oh and the 360 only coming with a standard DVD player is completely ghetto. If you want HD DVD, it's $180, so no the 360 is not cheaper.

Having said all that, my 360 is resting. I'm enjoying Warhawk. The next 360 game I'm buying for sure is Mass Effect.

Love warhawk, cost wasn't an issue for myself and who want to download movies anyway I've got to own physically blu-ray is simply better. That whole Warhawk thingy isn't that online only?

russ · 09-13-2007, 03:23 PM

The 360 currently has a superior library of games, especially exclusives. The PS3 is still playing catch-up in that department. The level of integration of Xbox Live into the 360 is far, far superior to what PSN and the PS3 have. The fact that at any time during any game, I can press a button and access my full friend list, and even start voice chats with friends regardless of whether we are in the same game, different games, or no games at all is very convenient and useful. Xbox Live is definitely worth the $50 a year, no question about it, because of how well it is integrated into the 360.These are the two primary things that make the 360 a superior gaming machine to the PS3.

Where the PS3 makes up ground is outside of the purely gaming perspective. The PS3 has more reliable hardware. The PS3 has its {superior} high def drive included. The fact that the hard drive is standard equipment on the PS3, rather than optional equipment on the 360, is better, as it allows for developers to use the hard drive for data caching, which would mean faster load times, among other things {I assume the PS3 does this, since it was a very useful feature on the original Xbox}.

Both consoles do some things well, and fail at other things. Gamers who are really into their gaming hobby should just buy both and enjoy them both. No point in arguing over things when both are worth owning.

BigB88 · 09-13-2007, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by russ

The 360 currently has a superior library of games, especially exclusives. The PS3 is still playing catch-up in that department. The level of integration of Xbox Live into the 360 is far, far superior to what PSN and the PS3 have. The fact that at any time during any game, I can press a button and access my full friend list, and even start voice chats with friends regardless of whether we are in the same game, different games, or no games at all is very convenient and useful. Xbox Live is definitely worth the $50 a year, no question about it, because of how well it is integrated into the 360.These are the two primary things that make the 360 a superior gaming machine to the PS3.

Where the PS3 makes up ground is outside of the purely gaming perspective. The PS3 has more reliable hardware. The PS3 has its {superior} high def drive included. The fact that the hard drive is standard equipment on the PS3, rather than optional equipment on the 360, is better, as it allows for developers to use the hard drive for data caching, which would mean faster load times, among other things {I assume the PS3 does this, since it was a very useful feature on the original Xbox}.

Both consoles do some things well, and fail at other things. Gamers who are really into their gaming hobby should just buy both and enjoy them both. No point in arguing over things when both are worth owning.

I would agree that the PS3 is still playing catch-up on the game inventory side and would also agree that the on-line capabilities of the 360 are currently superior. However, most of what you have pointed out as weaknesses of the PS3 can and will be resolved over time via software, whereas the weaknesses with the XBOX are hardware based. This is the big difference and for gamers and non-gamers a-like, if your looking for a superior gaming environment, it ain't XBOX 360 or Wii, it's the PS3. PS3's hardware, expandibility and future capabilities are simply better.

Copywriter · 09-13-2007, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by russ

Gamers who are really into their gaming hobby should just buy both and enjoy them both. No point in arguing over things when both are worth owning.

Exactly.

I like having all the systems (even PSP/DS). No worries about exclusive this and that. I just hope for premium games to come out for the PS3 and not 360-port leftovers.

Another plus for the PS3 is the footprint. With the 360, if I wanted HD DVD, I'd have to attach a drive and have more crap taking up space.

I'm surprised they didn't come out with a model that had the HD DVD built in. Who in the heck want's all that clutter?

supersix4 · 09-13-2007, 03:51 PM

I have on my hard drive about 2 hd movies 8 episodes from various shows all my saves 8 arcade games and still have like 13.6gb left

Musashi · 09-13-2007, 08:25 PM

Let me slide it on ya here ppl:
60 GB PS3: $500; $100 savings available via Sony Card promotion makes it $400.
360 Premium: $350
I'm using the Premium for this example as it has a hard drive and (now) has HDMI, albeit 1.2 instead of 1.3. Still, to get comparable functionality, the 360 will need the following, which are free and/or built into all PS3s:
Wireless controller charger: $20
HD Movie player: $180
WiFi: $100
XBox Live subscription: $50/year after the first.

So currently, we have:
$400-$500 for PS3, comes with 5 BDs. HDMI cable costs extra
$350-$650 for a 360 + the cost of Live. Comes with 5 HDDVDs if add-in player is purchased. I know the Elite comes with HDMI cable, not sure about Prem.

But what's the better deal? That's for each of us to decide, based on opinions about games, movies, the shape of the controller, and the need or lack thereof for online functions.

undertow1141 · 09-14-2007, 02:21 AM

JUst some points, 9 months into the existence of XboxLive, it sucked. THis suppossed massive amount of titles the 360 has, well, until Gears came out most of its games were on par with PS2. Oh and doesn't the PS3 have access to the entire PS and PS2 library? So in reality which system has more playable games. The PSN will improve with time. As for games, they are coming. Software Devs are already starting to tout the superiority of having a 50gig disk versus 8.5gigs.

Just remember M$ fanboys, the typical life span of a M$ product is 2 years before being outmoded. M$ has a horrendous record as far as product compatability goes. So in 8 months when they announce the replacement to your beloved 360, most those games you love so much will be unplayable on your new system and you will be waiting for the new good ones to come out. Just don't complain when at first all you get are watered down versions ported over from the PS3.

Not to mention the price to upgrade a 360 to PS3 capabilities. But thats just how I see it.

actionhank · 09-14-2007, 03:18 AM

Nothing beats the Wii's online capabilities! News and weather... oh yeah baby! It's not like I can check that on my blackberry. Oh no!

But seriously I hope they let me play cooking mama online someday.

victorvondoom88 · 09-14-2007, 11:17 AM

The real strength of the 360 is xboxLive period.

1.You can talk freely in any game no holding any buttons to talk.

2.You can also go into a private chat without having to quit playing.

3.You can send voice messages. Text is there too but this is way faster.

4.The headsets(wired) are like talking on a phone, clear and plenty loud.

It's short comings IMHO are the 20gb HD , the core not having a HD and the dvd format. To get the same content that comes on the ps3 version of RB6:Vegas I have 2.2gb worth of map packs etc. just for one game! I have several map packs for Gears of War also throw a couple of demos on there and you have less than 2gb left. Because there is roughly 6gb you cant use anyway its all M$ crap you cant delete.

Don't get me wrong I love my ps3 but even if all the games in the world come out they still have to get there online system up to par.

In team oriented online matches communication is essential. Holding a button down to talk sucks I don't care what anyone says.

09-13-2007, 12:22 PM	#1
Todd Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:ca.	The real cost? Well I'm bored and the wheels really got to turning. I was just thinking about how they ( xboxers ) say it a better system, and it's cheaper. I dismiss the suggestion of better as the bald face lie that it is. Now we only need to compare the cost. The xbox360 elite cost $450, hd-dvd add on $179, xbox live gold 1 year subscription $50. The total cost for the xbox360 is 679 minus any taxes. The cost for the PS3 is $600. The cost for the xbox360 for the first 5 years is $879, and the cost for the PS3 for the first 5 years is $600. Next time some lame xbox360 fanboy starts babbling about how great their 360 is ask them about how expensive the xbox360 is.

09-13-2007, 01:18 PM	#4
richard lichtenfelt Power Member Member since:Jul 2007 Location:I'm not drunk, I'm just tired cause I been up all night drinking. Blu-ray reviews:3	You forgot to mention the puny 20gb hard drive on xbox. I don't know how people are downloading movies and shows. Where are you going to keep all of this including game saves? A 160gb Tivo w/ 8 times the capacity of the xbox hard drive only holds 20hr of hd content. So you download movies than erase them? MS protects their downloads that keeps you from being able to copy them. You can stream movies over cable or satellite without having to wait hours for the download, or just go to a rental store. Without fiber optics or laser satellite internet, both of which are years away for most everyone, download movies are estimated to be 8-10 years away from being convenient. Even then I won't care for it as I prefer to own my movies or tv series on discs that never have to be erased in order to change my library. By the way I own both systems and if it weren't for Halo 3 the Xbox 360 would be gone by now. I can't stand the way that MS nickel and dimes their customers to death. Last edited by richard lichtenfelt; 09-13-2007 at 01:22 PM.

09-13-2007, 03:51 PM	#10
supersix4 Blu-ray Archduke Top contributor Member since:Mar 2007 Blu-ray collection:572 Blu-ray reviews: 53 Trading Score:3	I have on my hard drive about 2 hd movies 8 episodes from various shows all my saves 8 arcade games and still have like 13.6gb left Last edited by supersix4; 09-13-2007 at 04:18 PM.

09-14-2007, 02:21 AM	#12
undertow1141 Active Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Mentone, CA	JUst some points, 9 months into the existence of XboxLive, it sucked. THis suppossed massive amount of titles the 360 has, well, until Gears came out most of its games were on par with PS2. Oh and doesn't the PS3 have access to the entire PS and PS2 library? So in reality which system has more playable games. The PSN will improve with time. As for games, they are coming. Software Devs are already starting to tout the superiority of having a 50gig disk versus 8.5gigs. Just remember M$ fanboys, the typical life span of a M$ product is 2 years before being outmoded. M$ has a horrendous record as far as product compatability goes. So in 8 months when they announce the replacement to your beloved 360, most those games you love so much will be unplayable on your new system and you will be waiting for the new good ones to come out. Just don't complain when at first all you get are watered down versions ported over from the PS3. Not to mention the price to upgrade a 360 to PS3 capabilities. But thats just how I see it. Last edited by undertow1141; 09-14-2007 at 02:28 AM.

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09-13-2007, 12:32 PM	#2
ground chuck Power Member Member since:May 2007 Location:Charm City Blu-ray collection:75 Blu-ray reviews:48 Trading Score:18	as with any argument there are 2 sides to each story. one of my best friends has a 360 and i've played on it. there are somethings that the 360 does better than the ps3 and there are other things that are not as good. one of things that i feel the 360 dominants the ps3 is the IM interface that the 360 uses. it is far superior to the ps3, but they have to pay for it ours is free. don't get me wrong i'm not defending M$.

09-13-2007, 12:33 PM	#3
supersix4 Blu-ray Archduke Top contributor Member since:Mar 2007 Blu-ray collection:572 Blu-ray reviews: 53 Trading Score:3	well if you look at it via the elite it may not seem great but for the premium its a better deal. As of now and maybe forever, Xbox's Live is BY-FAR better than ps3s online .... Movies to Download not expensive at all, Tv shows TONS of them, tons of XBL arcade games(hopefully ps3 will put more old style games up)... Demos coming out weeks b4 the games do(ps3s starting to get a little better), Tons of trailers, Game videos, downloadable walkthroughs for newbs lol, Upcoming game trailers always coming out... So as of now I feel my 50(actually I paid 25$ 4 a headset, 200 pts to buy movies,games exc, a free pool game, and the 1 year subscription) was well worth the price... I too at one point was like wtf pay for online but xbl changed my mind with everything you can do... + you get free full online arcade games, movies , tv show episodes..... Granted I will give PS time to get there first online sys. going but as of now I don't know how you could say ps's store/online is better than xbl.

09-13-2007, 02:39 PM	#5
Copywriter Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Vegas Baby, Vegas	I have all the systems and the 360 is miles better in the online network. I can talk to friends via chat while looking through content, playing games and so forth. Can't do it on PS3 (yet I hope). Also the content on the 360 is better (naturally due to market time). There are many choices. PS3 will get there, but as of today, it comes up very short. As to the 20g, I don't find it an issue. I don't download many shows/movies. Why the heck would you? I like owning stuff and I want the best quality. And who cares about paying $50 a year? I mean really. If $50 a year hurts, you can't afford a VG system in the first place. I'd rather pay and have a great system than not pay and have a sub-par one. Hopefully HOME will really shine. I'm excited. As of today, the 360 is indeed better. The nice thing is that the PS3 has far more "potential." We just need to see the content come that takes advantage of the system. Oh and the 360 only coming with a standard DVD player is completely ghetto. If you want HD DVD, it's $180, so no the 360 is not cheaper. Having said all that, my 360 is resting. I'm enjoying Warhawk. The next 360 game I'm buying for sure is Mass Effect.

09-13-2007, 03:23 PM	#7
russ Active Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Alabama	The 360 currently has a superior library of games, especially exclusives. The PS3 is still playing catch-up in that department. The level of integration of Xbox Live into the 360 is far, far superior to what PSN and the PS3 have. The fact that at any time during any game, I can press a button and access my full friend list, and even start voice chats with friends regardless of whether we are in the same game, different games, or no games at all is very convenient and useful. Xbox Live is definitely worth the $50 a year, no question about it, because of how well it is integrated into the 360.These are the two primary things that make the 360 a superior gaming machine to the PS3. Where the PS3 makes up ground is outside of the purely gaming perspective. The PS3 has more reliable hardware. The PS3 has its {superior} high def drive included. The fact that the hard drive is standard equipment on the PS3, rather than optional equipment on the 360, is better, as it allows for developers to use the hard drive for data caching, which would mean faster load times, among other things {I assume the PS3 does this, since it was a very useful feature on the original Xbox}. Both consoles do some things well, and fail at other things. Gamers who are really into their gaming hobby should just buy both and enjoy them both. No point in arguing over things when both are worth owning.

09-13-2007, 08:25 PM	#11
Musashi Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Manchester, CT Home Theater Gallery:5 4K collection:25 Blu-ray collection:337 Blu-ray reviews: 1	Let me slide it on ya here ppl: 60 GB PS3: $500; $100 savings available via Sony Card promotion makes it $400. 360 Premium: $350 I'm using the Premium for this example as it has a hard drive and (now) has HDMI, albeit 1.2 instead of 1.3. Still, to get comparable functionality, the 360 will need the following, which are free and/or built into all PS3s: Wireless controller charger: $20 HD Movie player: $180 WiFi: $100 XBox Live subscription: $50/year after the first. So currently, we have: $400-$500 for PS3, comes with 5 BDs. HDMI cable costs extra $350-$650 for a 360 + the cost of Live. Comes with 5 HDDVDs if add-in player is purchased. I know the Elite comes with HDMI cable, not sure about Prem. But what's the better deal? That's for each of us to decide, based on opinions about games, movies, the shape of the controller, and the need or lack thereof for online functions.

09-14-2007, 03:18 AM	#13
actionhank Senior Member Member since:Jun 2007 Location:Las Vegas, Nevada	Nothing beats the Wii's online capabilities! News and weather... oh yeah baby! It's not like I can check that on my blackberry. Oh no! But seriously I hope they let me play cooking mama online someday.

09-14-2007, 11:17 AM	#14
victorvondoom88 Expert Member Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Location:middle of nowere, IL. Home Theater Gallery:26 4K collection:39 Blu-ray collection:656	The real strength of the 360 is xboxLive period. 1.You can talk freely in any game no holding any buttons to talk. 2.You can also go into a private chat without having to quit playing. 3.You can send voice messages. Text is there too but this is way faster. 4.The headsets(wired) are like talking on a phone, clear and plenty loud. It's short comings IMHO are the 20gb HD , the core not having a HD and the dvd format. To get the same content that comes on the ps3 version of RB6:Vegas I have 2.2gb worth of map packs etc. just for one game! I have several map packs for Gears of War also throw a couple of demos on there and you have less than 2gb left. Because there is roughly 6gb you cant use anyway its all M$ crap you cant delete. Don't get me wrong I love my ps3 but even if all the games in the world come out they still have to get there online system up to par. In team oriented online matches communication is essential. Holding a button down to talk sucks I don't care what anyone says.

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