Will Toshiba 72HM195 Play Bluray At 1080P?

[valhala]

Will Toshiba 72HM195 play Bluray at 1080p? I can't get the signal to 1080p on the Bluray. It only show 1080i, what going on? I went to setting on the Bluray player, I see 480p, 720p, and 1080i are selectable, but the 1080p is blackout. Is the Toshiba 72HM195 really 1080p or just a fake 1080p? Please any help is appreciated

[Dr Kain]

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[Nati man]

According to Toshiba's website, it is a 1080p TV. Check this link out.... http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/televisi...?model=72HM195

[BTBuck1]

probably is a native 1920x1080p tv but doesn't accept 1080p over HDMI. it will upconvert 1080i to 1080p looks the same...dont sweat it.

[valhala]

"According to Toshiba's website, it is a 1080p TV. Check this link out.... "

I know it state as 1080p TV, but the Bluray player won't display it as 1080p. It display it as 1080i. You can really tell the differences between 1080i & 1080p. I went to Fry's Electronic today and saw that recently this month, Samsung & Mitsubishi released True 1080p TV. When you hook the Bluray player to the TV, it will display 1080p. My Toshiba 72HM195 is a fake 1080p. There're 2 types of 1080p: Virtual 1080p & Native 1080p. Toshiba 72HM195 is a Virtual 1080p not Native 1080p. It no wonder I don't see 1080p in the HDTV setup. This is freaking false advertisement, I thought I got a real 1080p TV, but the feces is fake. $5,000 wasted on a fake 1080p TV. Don't bother talking to the Fry's sale staff, they don't know feces, I was schooling them today about Toshiba 72HM195 not displaying 1080p. They kept on insisting that it is. Well I try out the Bluray at home so I know it not displaying 1080p. I thought only Best Buy & Circuit City have Tech Challenged staffs, Fry have them too. I'll call Toshiba in the morning to complain and I'll post what they said.

[BTBuck1]

The sony SXRD's are also 1080p tv's but don't accept 1080p over HDMI currently only through firewire. Sony is suppossedly going to upgrade it with firware free of charge as soon as the update is available. Your tv probably falls under this same technology.

For instance, my Sony 3LCD is 1366x788p but there is nothing outputting that, so i have to select either 1080i or 720p and it scales it to 788p. Your Tv will scale to 1080p.

Trust me, we have a harddrive provided by Mitsubishi with 1080p content on it at BB we connected it via the ieee1394 firewire port and none of us could tell a discernable differance between 1080i upscaled or 1080p native.

1080p is like megapixels in cameras (anything over 5 is pretty much a waste) unless you print larger than 16x20..who does that?
there comes a point when you just can't tell the differance and other things make a differance...it's not just all about lines of res or pixel count. Contrast/brightness, scaler quality play more of a factor when it comes to these sets....unless ofcourse your sitting four feet away from your 70"

[AV_Integrated]

Most people just don't get it...

Yes, the Toshiba IS a 1080p display. It shows 1920x1080 discrete dots (pixels) on the screen. If you fed the display a 1080i image with 2 million different colored dots, the Toshiba you own, would display every single one of those colors! So, no matter what you say, your TV is 100% truly 1080p.

Now, how it achieves that 1080p is not by using a 1920x1080 DLP panel, but by using a 960x1080 DLP panel (most likely) and each mirror pulling double duty. This does not seriously impact a darn thing though as it still reproduces a full 1920x1080 array of pixels on screen.

So, the biggest issue at hand is that while this is a true 1080p display, it is 100% incapable of receiving a 1080p source. That is, you can feed it 480i, 480p, 720p, and 1080i which are all broadcast standards, but if you try to feed it 1080p - nada. No go! Do not pass go, do not collect $200.

Is this upsetting? Yes! Is it surprising? Not at all. In fact by far the majority of displays on the market that are currently available do not accept a 1080p input. This includes displays from almost every major manufacturer out there and it is a very common piece of knowledge if some homework is done prior to the purchase. Does this make you feel better? Of course not! But, had you bought the Sony or the Mitsubishi instead would you have been better off? Most likely, no.

It will not be until later this year that we finally see displays begin (BEGIN!) the conversion over to handle 1080p inputs on their 1080p displays. This is ALL about the cost of the displays and how much extra it ads to that cost to give you capability for a format that until a week ago, didn't exist. CE manufacturers don't care nearly as much about the individual consumer, as they do about their bottom line. So, some people are getting shafted because of it... their response is going to be the same: You should have done more research, sorry we couldn't, can't, and won't help you.

[valhala]

This is what Toshiba said: The Toshiba 72HM195 can only take input 1080i signal and upscale it to Virtual 1080p. It can not take input 1080p and output 1080p. The Toshiba TV Manual even state this fact. There's no way for it take input 1080p & output 1080p. Toshiba can advertise it as 1080p TV b/c it upscale the 1080i to Virtual 1080p. In reality, Toshiba 72HM195 is not real 1080p TV.

[BTBuck1]

Originally Posted by valhala

This is what Toshiba said: The Toshiba 72HM195 can only take input 1080i signal and upscale it to Virtual 1080p. It can not take input 1080p and output 1080p. The Toshiba TV Manual even state this fact. There's no way for it take input 1080p & output 1080p. Toshiba can advertise it as 1080p TV b/c it upscale the 1080i to Virtual 1080p. In reality, Toshiba 72HM195 is not real 1080p TV.

i'd challenge you to notice a differance between 1080p & 1080i upscaled to 1080p it's just not noticeable IMO

[valhala]

It hurt real bad to know that I got @$$ raped of $5,000.

[Psiweaver]

I can notice the difference on fast moving things. Its really easy to pick it out. Especially if your using an okay tv with only a decent scaler in it. that loop that mistu provided to bby's on a hard drive is fairly garbage and shot horribly.

[valhala]

"i'd challenge you to notice a differance between 1080p & 1080i upscaled to 1080p it's just not noticeable IMO"

I got an ATI Radeon X 1600 Pro graphic card in my PC connected to the Apple 30 inches cinema. The resolution set at 2560x1600, which is way higher than 1080p (1920x1080p). I played PC Call of Duty 2 set at 2048x1536 b/c it will lag like Hades at 2560x1600. I also play it on XBox 360 connect to the Toshiba 72HM195 at 720p (1280x720p). The Apple 30 inch Cinema blew aways the Toshiba 72HM195. This is an unfair comparsion due to different technology, but I know the differences between 1080i & 1080p because I seen it done on the Apple 30in Cinema. Here are the currently True 1080p TV: Mitsubishi WD-73707 ($5,500) & Samsung HLR 6768 ($5,000)

[BTBuck1]

dude comparing 30inches to 70 the smaller will always have more clarity.

[Blu-rayrules]

Originally Posted by valhala

It hurt real bad to know that I got @$$ raped of $5,000.

exactly why i don't buy toshiba

[Psiweaver]

yeah smaller always has more clarity. You can notice progressive vs non progressive though with fast movement.

[AV_Integrated]

Originally Posted by valhala

"i'd challenge you to notice a differance between 1080p & 1080i upscaled to 1080p it's just not noticeable IMO"

I got an ATI Radeon X 1600 Pro graphic card in my PC connected to the Apple 30 inches cinema. The resolution set at 2560x1600, which is way higher than 1080p (1920x1080p). I played PC Call of Duty 2 set at 2048x1536 b/c it will lag like Hades at 2560x1600. I also play it on XBox 360 connect to the Toshiba 72HM195 at 720p (1280x720p). The Apple 30 inch Cinema blew aways the Toshiba 72HM195. This is an unfair comparsion due to different technology, but I know the differences between 1080i & 1080p because I seen it done on the Apple 30in Cinema. Here are the currently True 1080p TV: Mitsubishi WD-73707 ($5,500) & Samsung HLR 6768 ($5,000)

You just don't get it - Mitsubishi's top of the line WD-73927 display does NOT accept 1080p input on it's HDMI connections! You would be no better with that display than with what you have.

The Samsung model - 7178...
http://www.samsung.com/Products/TV/D...7178_final.pdf

Not only uses a true 1920x1080 DLP chip but also accepts 1080p on HDMI as well as component video inputs... But, it's a Samsung.

I try not to point out when other people make silly mistakes, but most people, at most forums, will happily tell you that most 1080p displays do not accept 1080p input and most DLP 1080p displays are not using 1920x1080 chips yet. It sounds to me like you bought a Yugo, and then are complaining because it's a lousy vehicle. EVERYONE knows its a lousy vehicle - but you gotta ask and do homework. Even if it drives nice and the sales guy tells you how great it is - you still gotta do homework.

In a year, this is likely to change so that 1080p is accepted by most displays - just not yet. The new Sony SXRD models (this year) will handle 1080p. The newest Samsung displays, the Westinghouse LCDs, the HP DLP displays... It will be the norm. and if you don't have a display that works with it - you are in the vast majority at this time.

[Psiweaver]

The Samsung DLP's ain't half bad.