nyphomaninc uncut ? or cut ?

[felixthecat]

Hi please can tell me if this c ut or uncut ? nyphomaninc As when I spoke.artificial-eye.com UK I was told there was a longer version but I could not get it in the UK but they would say what country I could get from they just told me to google it.Can confirm if there is a longer version or give me any info etcThank you.

[BigNickUK]

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=235887

[chip75]

Originally Posted by felixthecat

Hi please can tell me if this c ut or uncut ? nyphomaninc As when I spoke.artificial-eye.com UK I was told there was a longer version but I could not get it in the UK but they would say what country I could get from they just told me to google it.Can confirm if there is a longer version or give me any info etcThank you.

If I remember, we've had the theatrical versions for now with the uncut ones later on. I think some territories will get the uncut one, Denmark initially had the five-hour version in theatres. Our home video release is uncut it's just the shorter cut!

[malcy30]

Originally Posted by chip75

If I remember, we've had the theatrical versions for now with the uncut ones later on. I think some territories will get the uncut one, Denmark initially had the five-hour version in theatres. Our home video release is uncut it's just the shorter cut!

It depends upon the amount of real sex in the uncut version.
In Scandinavia this is a non issue and in the US they can release as an unrated BD. The problem in the UK is if the BBFC rate the uncut version R18, as this will make a commercial release virtually impossible.

The Danish BD also released this week is listed as 240 minutes
http://cdon.dk/film/nymphomaniac-26453123
So that would imply same cut version as UK. There is nothing preventing a double dip there at a later date.

[felixthecat]

God I hate the UK censors

[Buzz201]

Originally Posted by felixthecat

God I hate the UK censors

It wasn't cut by the BBFC, the producers re-editted the 5 hour directors cut to 2x2 hour films. Malcy's point was that just because the shorter theatrical versions passed at 18 it doesn't mean the longer cut will. And if it passes at an R18, it would almost certainly be cut.

Without having seen the film I couldn't comment, but presumably it will be argued that the work involves real sex, but is not a "sex work" (as it's primary function is not to arouse), so it should be fine at 18, but that doesn't mean it will be...

[malcy30]

Originally Posted by MichaelB

Also, you can't blame the BBFC for the ludicrous situation whereby an R18 classification effectively kills off your entire market unless you also happen to own a chain of sex shops.

Michael I feel the British mail order companies could easily get around this by just shipping titles from Switzerland or Scandinavia, and there is nothing the BBFC could do about it. Mail order is illegal on R18 titles only in the UK.
I guess they don't because of a reputational risk as R18 is seen as porn as its only a rating for sex works.

Arrow, Eureka or the BFI could set up a subsidiary elsewhere in Europe and sell the unrated or R18 rated titles back to their UK customer base selling direct via their website. These are not "HMV" or supermarket titles and the customer base are likely to buy uncut from elsewhere in the world.

In Germany you have the unrated issue with titles considered unacceptable at 18 which means Amazon.de etc can't sell these titles but because its a sex or violence issue there not just sex, you see marketplace sellers listing the titles or various mail order companies in Austria and Switzerland listing these uncut as there they can be legally sold via mail order to over 18s.

[Zot!]

There is currently no alternate edit outside of a 5 hour extended version that has only played at one film festival, with no home video release announce anywhere. Every territory got the 4 hour edit, including Germany outside of that singlular showing at a special event. The AE release is uncut. Buy with confidence.

[Todd Tomorrow]

Originally Posted by Zot!

There is currently no alternate edit outside of a 5 hour extended version that has only played at one film festival, with no home video release announce anywhere. Every territory got the 4 hour edit, including Germany outside of that singlular showing at a special event. The AE release is uncut. Buy with confidence.

^ This

Could people please just stop whining about the BBFC or a cut version and get their facts right.

[Buzz201]

Originally Posted by malcy30

Michael I feel the British mail order companies could easily get around this by just shipping titles from Switzerland or Scandinavia, and there is nothing the BBFC could do about it. Mail order is illegal on R18 titles only in the UK.
I guess they don't because of a reputational risk as R18 is seen as porn as its only a rating for sex works.

Arrow, Eureka or the BFI could set up a subsidiary elsewhere in Europe and sell the unrated or R18 rated titles back to their UK customer base selling direct via their website. These are not "HMV" or supermarket titles and the customer base are likely to buy uncut from elsewhere in the world.

In Germany you have the unrated issue with titles considered unacceptable at 18 which means Amazon.de etc can't sell these titles but because its a sex or violence issue there not just sex, you see marketplace sellers listing the titles or various mail order companies in Austria and Switzerland listing these uncut as there they can be legally sold via mail order to over 18s.

Except for this to work, they'd have to set up a subsidiary elsewhere to exploit the rights, and presumably they only have UK & Ireland rights, so legally wouldn't be able to do so.

Also, I'll leave you to work out why the British Film Institute won't set up a subsidiary...

[malcy30]

Originally Posted by Buzz201

Except for this to work, they'd have to set up a subsidiary elsewhere to exploit the rights, and presumably they only have UK & Ireland rights, so legally wouldn't be able to do so.

Also, I'll leave you to work out why the British Film Institute won't set up a subsidiary...

You could set up the company in the Channel Islands if basing in Switzerland say caused problems with the local rights holder. I remember back when CD-Wow had a UK base their adult titles came via the Channel Islands. Would be similar to German companies doing mail order out of Austria to get around German censorship. They both share German though so I guess most rights would cover both countries.

If you set up a separate company overseas that gets round the issue. As said a UK company would get into trouble just shipping R18 titles from overseas.

[Markgway]

They should change the law so that R18 discs can be sold at any dedicated video retailer (i.e. HMV or Cex) -- but not at supermarkets (where families are likely to be). To prevent children from buying them customers should be asked to provide ID. To avoid offence R18 titles should be sold in a separate, curtained-off area (which is what they do in the US, I believe). Aren't those fair compromises?

[Foggy]

Originally Posted by felixthecat

God I hate the UK censors

There's no such thing as UK censors.

[Boschy]

In Australia, X 18+ titles can only be sold legally in the Australian Capital Territory (ACT) and the Northern Territory (NT).

But you can find X 18+ titles in shops in Sydney and Melbourne behind "Restricted Entry 18 and Over" areas of the shop. And of course, national mail-order sales originate from legit retailers in the ACT and NT.

NYMPHOMANIAC received R 18+ here uncut.

[crazybeats]

Lets just face facts guys, we live in a pathetic country. Typical old nanny britain having to be watched over by the BBFC. I remember not that long ago, maybe 6 or 7 years ago when I was in HMV, they had the big adult sections and they put cases with white covers in front of them all to hide the covers but the names where still there to read lol. I don't think they sell adult DVDs instore anymore but they had the right idea implemented. Give people what they want. Didn't the BBFC say 10 years ago that hopefully within 10 years all content classification would be advisory only? And here we are in 2014 still getting things cut and censored it's just ridiculous and this is a movie, it's not a porno or anything.

You can literally type the word 'porn' into Google and get tons of hits of youtube type sites full of videos. No one is going out of their way to buy this kind of movie just to see the sex, anyone can see sex for free online anytime they want. What this is, is no different than all the years of banning horror movies and anything else they felt would affect society. In fact it's nothing to do with the sex scenes, it's them looking down their nose at society and deciding what they think you should watch.

You'd think after all this time they would finally get that and just do advisory ratings.

[Buddy Ackerman]

Originally Posted by crazybeats

Lets just face facts guys, we live in a pathetic country. Typical old nanny britain having to be watched over by the BBFC. I remember not that long ago, maybe 6 or 7 years ago when I was in HMV, they had the big adult sections and they put cases with white covers in front of them all to hide the covers but the names where still there to read lol. I don't think they sell adult DVDs instore anymore but they had the right idea implemented. Give people what they want. Didn't the BBFC say 10 years ago that hopefully within 10 years all content classification would be advisory only? And here we are in 2014 still getting things cut and censored it's just ridiculous and this is a movie, it's not a porno or anything.

You can literally type the word 'porn' into Google and get tons of hits of youtube type sites full of videos. No one is going out of their way to buy this kind of movie just to see the sex, anyone can see sex for free online anytime they want. What this is, is no different than all the years of banning horror movies and anything else they felt would affect society. In fact it's nothing to do with the sex scenes, it's them looking down their nose at society and deciding what they think you should watch.

You'd think after all this time they would finally get that and just do advisory ratings.

Or you could also face 'facts' (I use inverted comments because your use of the phrase is immediately followed by opinions) and accept that this film has not been cut or censored by the BBFC in the slightest. And the longer cut has not been submitted to them at all so we can't have a go at them for that either - as someone said above, it isn't available in any country yet so we can't judge it in any respect.

The fact that you use the phrase 'typical nanny Britain' shows that you're one of those internet crusaders who would rather shout predictable rah-rah-rah hyperbole into the void rather than take a considered look at what a company like the BBFC does and why they do it. You're looking at things through the cliched view of how some thought they operated in the 80s. Nowadays they are a very open company who are informative about their decisions and have progressed a hell of a lot in terms of what content is allowed through (and where changes are made, those changes are almost always by the studio who wish to reach a certain rating rather than the BBFC demanding a cut, so blame them and their need for a 12A or whatever), to the point where moaning about their censorship is almost redundant.

[crazybeats]

I think the reason a longer cut has not been submitted is because the studio knows not to waste their money submitting it, there's no chance of the longest cut getting approved without something being flagged. Let me just shorten it down in a more what you might call, PG way. I think anything that is rated 18 should be uncut. I know studios pre cut things or they give different cuts to different countries and sometimes they make additional cuts to get a lower rating and I understand why that is done.

With a film like this, that doesn't apply. This would never be cut for a 15 or 12A because I don't believe the film is aimed at the mass market. I think this film and many others like it are there because the people behind it have spent a lot of love and labour on it and aren't in it for the money and the awards and adoration from critics. I think the audience expects that too and I wont go as far as saying this is an art house film but I know the BBFC have been very good with art house films over the years and have been very lenient in regards to content and the aim of the films and there's stuff right now in high street stores uncut and uncensored and the only reason they are uncut is they are under that 'art house' banner.


I think more work should be done.

[Buzz201]

Originally Posted by crazybeats

I think the reason a longer cut has not been submitted is because the studio knows not to waste their money submitting it, there's no chance of the longest cut getting approved without something being flagged. Let me just shorten it down in a more what you might call, PG way. I think anything that is rated 18 should be uncut. I know studios pre cut things or they give different cuts to different countries and sometimes they make additional cuts to get a lower rating and I understand why that is done.

With a film like this, that doesn't apply. This would never be cut for a 15 or 12A because I don't believe the film is aimed at the mass market. I think this film and many others like it are there because the people behind it have spent a lot of love and labour on it and aren't in it for the money and the awards and adoration from critics. I think the audience expects that too and I wont go as far as saying this is an art house film but I know the BBFC have been very good with art house films over the years and have been very lenient in regards to content and the aim of the films and there's stuff right now in high street stores uncut and uncensored and the only reason they are uncut is they are under that 'art house' banner.


I think more work should be done.

Or because the producers haven't released it. If the shorter theatrical version passed 18, I'd imagine there's a strong argument the longer cut will as well. (As I understand it, it was cut primarily for length reasons, rather than content.)

Legally they can't pass everything uncut at 18 or even R18. The BBFC has also been charged with the enforcing parts of the "Obscene Publications Act", which prevents the distribution and publication of materials judged legally obscene. Recently, the BBFC ask for compulsory cuts to The Human Centipede 2, because of concerns about it breaching the Obscene Publications Act. Apparently even the cut version (now passed 18) was too much for one of the board of directors, who abstained from the vote and still felt it to be unpassable. They aren't just cutting things for fun...

If you wanted it to change, you'd need to talk to your MP. And since the Tories are in a pro-censorship mood at the moment, you probably won't get very far...

And I'd like to see a source for the BBFC talking about advisory regulations in 2002, because it's seems odd to me they'd make such a bold statement, two years after introducing formal regulations to make sure films are classified consistently in an attempt to move away from the James Ferman era...

[crazybeats]

You make a good point there about the Tories. Since I am in Scotland and will most likely not be part of the UK in September this year, do we still have the same court system and have decisions made by the BBFC?

[Buddy Ackerman]

Again, it's the blinkered view that the BBFC are only out to stop us seeing what we want to see and how dare they and all of that.

They are an extremely lenient company, especially nowadays. Try getting Nymphomaniac passed fifteen of twenty years ago. In fact, ten years ago would probably have seen some trims (with 9 Songs being classified in 2004 though it would have been on the cusp - but that was a big deal at the time and the content was a little less edgy than this film)

And, as Buzz says, the lack of a longer cut is just down to the makers having not released it yet - anywhere, not just the UK. They're giving the shorter cuts their moment in the sun first, then releasing the longer one further down the road. It's always been the plan. And, as Buzz also says, although there are of course added sexual scenes/moments in the longer version, these ones were cut down to make them a palatable length for getting an audience, not for censorship fears.