Question to the Blu-Ray Supporters

[railven]

Hello,

I made an account here to post on the PS3 section. I made a few posts but eventually stop coming here.

I wanted to ask something.

I'm a neutral owner of both formats (owning a PS3 60GB for my primary BD-Playback and an A20 for HD-Playback) and consider myself well educated on both formats.)

I've been an active poster at the HD-DVD.com forum (I prefer smaller groups, as the volume here larger than I prefer, but that's my opinion) and have read multiple posts of unfair banning due to posting pro-HD DVD activity.

My question, is this true?

How far do people go before they get banned? Is it the common thing I read "I just said HD-DVD is better for so-and-so and got banned" or is it like I ended up (through my own research) one game basically started name calling and then posted in the HD-DVD forum that he was civil.

I'm posting this in the HD-DVD forum too.

Thanks!

[stockstar1138]

if you come in here and say, i'm nuetral, but i think hd dvd will win because its cheaper or because it has sold more standalones, what do you guys think?, you probably won't be banned. if you come in here and say, hd dvd is a better product because you can't tell the difference between uncompressed and lousy audio, but you guys pay more money and the ps3 doesn't count as a player, blah blah blah, we will ban you. in the past few months we have had some real bad (deceitful) trolls, so the mods have really stepped up issuing the ban hammer.

[railven]

Originally Posted by stockstar1138

if you come in here and say, i'm nuetral, but i think hd dvd will win because its cheaper or because it has sold more standalones, what do you guys think?, you probably won't be banned. if you come in here and say, hd dvd is a better product because you can't tell the difference between uncompressed and lousy audio, but you guys pay more money and the ps3 doesn't count as a player, blah blah blah, we will ban you. in the past few months we have had some real bad (deceitful) trolls, so the mods have really stepped up issuing the ban hammer.

My time at the HD-DVD.com forums I've seen pro-Blu Ray supporters create accounts for similar reasons - tout Blu-Ray as the better product.

I understand, those are reasons to ban people. I've seen "BD-Trolls" get banned there for the same reason.

[mystiksuicide]

Originally Posted by railven

My time at the HD-DVD.com forums I've seen pro-Blu Ray supporters create accounts for similar reasons - tout Blu-Ray as the better product.

I understand, those are reasons to ban people. I've seen "BD-Trolls" get banned there for the same reason.

Here something funny I read awhile back in the hd dvd foroum written by YOU

Honestly, since I'm off today, I sort of wanted to head over to Blu-Ray.com and ask:
"Word is at the HD-DVD forum, anyone who is neutral or gives props to HD-DVD as a format is instantly banned. I'd like to know if that is true."

I doubt I'd get far before the name calling (most likely of Blu-Ray fanboys towards HD-DVD fanboys) will start flying. Maybe a civil person will jump in, but in the end the sheer volume of fanboys will drown out any reasonal conclusion.

What the hell, I'll go post it now and see what happens:
Link: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread....174#post371174

Let's see how far that goes.

Anyways, yeah you can say the lack of moderation has given me a longer staying power, but I've kept my posts civil (with a few hints of name calling when I get frustrated - mostly at Sherbie.)

HD-DVD is, as I said in another thread here, the better format in its current state. I can't argue that. All my research has led me to that conclusion.

But, some of the FUD I read here, and other articles, irritates me. You guys have the better product, why resort to what some of you deem the "blu-ray tactics."

There are also some people who post here with misconceptions (great example, read Redtornados post about 1080i not being an HD-Resolution) and I usually chime in to help them understand.

Since this is an HD-DVD fanboy website, most misconceptions are about Blu-Ray, usually concluded through HD-DVD FUD (note I never knew what FUD was till I started posting here), and that is why I seem like the "Blu-Ray defender."

And no, you haven't posted something of my sarcastic reference, but sometimes it feels like it

[railven]

Here is a follow-up question, one more to the meat and potatoes of why I posted this.

Would I, as a neutral supporter of both formats - my fence sitting is due to the still too high price for software (as I already bought my players,) be banned if I said: HD-DVD has a more mature product?

[stockstar1138]

Originally Posted by railven

My time at the HD-DVD.com forums I've seen pro-Blu Ray supporters create accounts for similar reasons - tout Blu-Ray as the better product.

I understand, those are reasons to ban people. I've seen "BD-Trolls" get banned there for the same reason.

i think its highly immature for those bd supporters to go trolling on hd-dvd.com, the deserve to get banned. there are websites and forums for each format and the supporters should stay on those websites if they are fanboys just looking to start trouble IMO. I've visited hd-dvd.com and i swear there are more blu-ray trolls than hd dvd fans.

[mystiksuicide]

Originally Posted by railven

Hello,

I made an account here to post on the PS3 section. I made a few posts but eventually stop coming here.

I wanted to ask something.

I'm a neutral owner of both formats (owning a PS3 60GB for my primary BD-Playback and an A20 for HD-Playback) and consider myself well educated on both formats.)

I've been an active poster at the HD-DVD.com forum (I prefer smaller groups, as the volume here larger than I prefer, but that's my opinion) and have read multiple posts of unfair banning due to posting pro-HD DVD activity.

My question, is this true?

How far do people go before they get banned? Is it the common thing I read "I just said HD-DVD is better for so-and-so and got banned" or is it like I ended up (through my own research) one game basically started name calling and then posted in the HD-DVD forum that he was civil.

I'm posting this in the HD-DVD forum too.

Thanks!

Your not only a Troll your just here to waste everyones time

[Amel]

man..I hate these...

[Elandyll]

Originally Posted by railven

My time at the HD-DVD.com forums I've seen pro-Blu Ray supporters create accounts for similar reasons - tout Blu-Ray as the better product.

I understand, those are reasons to ban people. I've seen "BD-Trolls" get banned there for the same reason.

So where's the problem? FUD spewing trolls get banned, nothing to worry about.
I have to say though, having been around quite a bit (Engadget HD and some, including European (French) websites), I've seen HD DVD suporters try to spread FUD and lies a lot more than the "other" side That's in my experience though.
Look at guys like "Nfinity" or "Truth Teller" at engadget, and you'll understand what kind of people end up banned here

[railven]

Originally Posted by mystiksuicide

Here something funny I read awhile back in the hd dvd foroum written by YOU

Honestly, since I'm off today, I sort of wanted to head over to Blu-Ray.com and ask:
"Word is at the HD-DVD forum, anyone who is neutral or gives props to HD-DVD as a format is instantly banned. I'd like to know if that is true."

I doubt I'd get far before the name calling (most likely of Blu-Ray fanboys towards HD-DVD fanboys) will start flying. Maybe a civil person will jump in, but in the end the sheer volume of fanboys will drown out any reasonal conclusion.

What the hell, I'll go post it now and see what happens:
Link: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread....174#post371174

Let's see how far that goes.

Anyways, yeah you can say the lack of moderation has given me a longer staying power, but I've kept my posts civil (with a few hints of name calling when I get frustrated - mostly at Sherbie.)

HD-DVD is, as I said in another thread here, the better format in its current state. I can't argue that. All my research has led me to that conclusion.

But, some of the FUD I read here, and other articles, irritates me. You guys have the better product, why resort to what some of you deem the "blu-ray tactics."

There are also some people who post here with misconceptions (great example, read Redtornados post about 1080i not being an HD-Resolution) and I usually chime in to help them understand.

Since this is an HD-DVD fanboy website, most misconceptions are about Blu-Ray, usually concluded through HD-DVD FUD (note I never knew what FUD was till I started posting here), and that is why I seem like the "Blu-Ray defender."

And no, you haven't posted something of my sarcastic reference, but sometimes it feels like it

There you go, that is why I'm here. I got challenged by an HD-DVD supporter to come here and try to be neutral.

If you read the entire thread, you'd see I was arguing in support of Blu-Ray in, my opinion, an unfair price comparison.

All aside, is there something wrong with being neutral and posting in both websites? or as someone said on the HD-DVD site - the only means of survival here is to hide my neutrality or any hints of supporting HD-DVD?

[PossumPete]

Honesty and attitude...

Most people can see through the troll posts. If you have honest questions, most people here will be glad to help (with very little preaching!) Both sides have their problems and yelling about them in a forum doesn't help either one.

I come here for new release info mostly but I do enjoy seeing what other people have to say, too. I can do without the whole format war crap. No one wins in that arena.

[stockstar1138]

Originally Posted by railven

Here is a follow-up question, one more to the meat and potatoes of why I posted this.

Would I, as a neutral supporter of both formats - my fence sitting is due to the still too high price for software (as I already bought my players,) be banned if I said: HD-DVD has a more mature product?

your getting close to a ban with just stating that, this is a blu-ray forum, so coming in and saying blu-ray supporters buy the immature product is insulting.

[railven]

Originally Posted by Elandyll

So where's the problem? FUD spewing trolls get banned, nothing to worry about.
I have to say though, having been around quite a bit (Engadget HD and some, including European (French) websites), I've seen HD DVD suporters try to spread FUD and lies a lot more than the "other" side That's in my experience though.
Look at guys like "Nfinity" or "Truth Teller" at engadget, and you'll understand what kind of people end up banned here

I agree, I've visited many online "blogs" and portals.

The comments, from either side in my opinion, are often a bit farfetched. As a tech geek, I make it my hobby to know what I buy. I know the advantages of HD-DVD over Blu-Ray, and currently in the actual platform they are ahead, but I won't count Blu-Ray out as a "growing" product.

I feel HD-DVD has pretty much reached its limit (BW limit, capacity, etc) and Blu-Ray still has growth, but until Sony delivers (ala the PS3 and how it is failing in the US market) the other side has a stronger arguement.

[Joe Cain]

If by "more mature" you mean "finished," well, that's a standard HD-DVD talking point. I suppose it's meaningful if one values the In-Movie-Experience over the actual movie experience. I don't see this maturity as particularly relevant when a studio like Paramount admits it can't put lossless audio on its biggest release of the year because of the format's technical limitations.

[mystiksuicide]

Originally Posted by railven

Here is a follow-up question, one more to the meat and potatoes of why I posted this.

Would I, as a neutral supporter of both formats - my fence sitting is due to the still too high price for software (as I already bought my players,) be banned if I said: HD-DVD has a more mature product?

No, you see I am just as conniving as you are only I have a different name there and act all pro hd-dvd. Sorry but you got outsmarted.

No the question is who am I??? hmmm

[railven]

Originally Posted by stockstar1138

your getting close to a ban with just stating that, this is a blu-ray forum, so coming in and saying blu-ray supporters buy the immature product is insulting.

But it isn't. It isn't "immature" per say "childish." It is immature per say it hasn't fully developed.

Blu-Ray has room for growth. Look at the BW numbers. Blu-Ray exceeds HD-DVDs, but I've yet to read an article of any studio using this bandwidth for actual noticeable use.

I can see this happening when Profile 1.1 launches and suddenly thanks to the extra BW and capacity, Blu-Rays will carry 720p PIP versus HD-DVDs 480p.

Blu-Ray, and the PS3 - avid fanboy of that product, have time to grow. They have to grow. They have to launch the Profile 1.1 and future Profile 2.0 players if they ever want to shut up HD-DVD supporters about the lack of features on the Blu-Camp.

[railven]

Originally Posted by mystiksuicide

No, you see I am just as conniving as you are only I have a different name there and act all pro hd-dvd. Sorry but you got outsmarted.

No the question is who am I??? hmmm

Sigh...I think I do.

I won't say any names, as I won't want to break your cover.

Haha, I'm not one of those "I wear two hats, and put the hat on of the winning team before I walk out" kinda of guys.

Haha, grats on out smarting me.

[bearspater]

I'm just a member like you and speak for no one.

However, in my view, since the name of the site is "blu-ray.com", it makes no pretense at supporting any other format. I don't believe the other site you mentioned can say the same even though they may argue differently.

I don't want this great website to turn into a smackdown/debate forum like the other place so I would prefer for the mods to be ultra strict in what they allow. I come here to read about and discuss blu-ray.

[railven]

Originally Posted by Joe Cain

If by "more mature" you mean "finished," well, that's a standard HD-DVD talking point. I suppose it's meaningful if one values the In-Movie-Experience over the actual movie experience. I don't see this maturity as particularly relevant when a studio like Paramount admits it can't put lossless audio on its biggest release of the year because of the format's technical limitations.

And that is a great counter arguement! Paramount dropped the ball on Transformers and cited Disc Space as the issue. But if you read the press release for when they jumped onto the HD-DVD exclusive band wagon, I remember them stating the space was more than enough.

Blu-Ray is "unfinished" and that isn't a bad thing. The PS3 is a perfect example of what the Blu-Ray format can offer. I wish all standalones where built like the PS3 (built in WiFi/RJ45, HDD, Bluetooth) as it is probably the best selling BD-Player (for the sole purpose of Blu-Ray Watching.)

[railven]

Originally Posted by bearspater

I'm just a member like you and speak for no one.

However, in my view, since the name of the site is "blu-ray.com", it makes no pretense at supporting any other format. I don't believe the other site you mentioned can say the same even though they may argue differently.

I don't want this great website to turn into a smackdown/debate forum like the other place so I would prefer for the mods to be ultra strict in what they allow. I come here to read about and discuss blu-ray.

That is understandable. I frequent xbox360fanboy.com and Ps3fanboy.com and often see members of the camp jump over.

It does get frustrating, but would it be beneficial if the post is meant to clarify some misconceptions? Such as the whole bit-rate fiasco?