"1080i is better than 1080p"... - Blu-ray Forum

stockstar1138 · 11-06-2007, 05:42 PM

I can't find a link, but some guy told me last night that a 1080i signal is better than 1080p for plasmas and lcds that only support 60hz. He claimed that plasmas and lcds will not display an interlaced signal and will change it into a progressive scan, now since the signal is interlaced the tv will wait for all the lines to be fed to the display, not just every other line, and then scan it progressivly on the tv. since it is doing it this way viewers are seeing 1080p/30 which is closer to 1080p/24 than 1080p/60, thus a smooter looking picture.

juanleche · 11-06-2007, 05:44 PM

crack is whack

stockstar1138 · 11-06-2007, 05:47 PM

he didn't say what format he supported, but im pretty sure he was trying to feel good about his poor, low bit-rate, half pixaled, low capacity, lossy audio, hardly any studio support, $98 hd dvd a2.

bhampton · 11-06-2007, 05:50 PM

Yeah,

This is why 480i from DVD was better.

Good Luck finding a 480i only DVD player that's recent.

People will sing the praises of 1080i right up to the moment they can afford 1080p.

-Brian

MouseRider · 11-06-2007, 05:51 PM

Typical armchair science.

People do realize that LCD, DLP and Plasma displays don't scan like CRTs right?

sj001 · 11-06-2007, 05:54 PM

1080i is better than 1080p.

Right, whatever... and my Atari 2600 has better graphics than my Playstation did.

Where do these people get this s&^%???

T-Town Oil · 11-06-2007, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by sj001

1080i is better than 1080p.

Right, whatever... and my Atari 2600 has better graphics than my Playstation did.

Where do these people get this s&^%???

hehehe....atari basketball did look pretty sweet

DJeffries · 11-06-2007, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by stockstar1138

I can't find a link, but some guy told me last night that a 1080i signal is better than 1080p for plasmas and lcds that only support 60hz. He claimed that plasmas and lcds will not display an interlaced signal and will change it into a progressive scan, now since the signal is interlaced the tv will wait for all the lines to be fed to the display, not just every other line, and then scan it progressivly on the tv. since it is doing it this way viewers are seeing 1080p/30 which is closer to 1080p/24 than 1080p/60, thus a smooter looking picture.

LCD, DLP, LCOS, and plasma displays are fixed panel devices. They only display the full frame. They do not display fields at any time. It is possible for a source set to 1080i to look better that a 1080P source if the display has better deintelacing processing than the source device. Everything else said about the how a fixed panel display processes a signal is correct.

buckshot · 11-06-2007, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T-Town Oil

hehehe....atari basketball did look pretty sweet

burgertime man, burgertime.

sj001 · 11-06-2007, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T-Town Oil

hehehe....atari basketball did look pretty sweet

How about Boxing for Atari? NICEEEE!

stockstar1138 · 11-06-2007, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DJeffries

LCD, DLP, LCOS, and plasma displays are fixed panel devices. They only display the full frame. They do not display fields at any time. It is possible for a source set to 1080i to look better that a 1080P source if the display has better deintelacing processing than the source device. Everything else said about the how a fixed panel display processes a signal is correct.

yes, but as far as the picture looking smoother, he is totally off, he is going to see flicker with 1080i and this is going to hurt fast action scenes a lot. and won't a lot of deinterlacing tvs, simply just line double, which will make the picture a 540p upscaled to 1080p picture.

Sonny · 11-06-2007, 06:13 PM

moon-patrol

, joust

, jungle hunt , millipede, centipede This is on the 1981 Atari

(I still have it)

T-Town Oil · 11-06-2007, 06:16 PM

ohhh jungle hunt, forgot about that one. does anyone remember the game porky's? that was the worst game ever i think

StilettoViper · 11-06-2007, 06:19 PM

1080p vs 1080i is not noticable to the human eye unless you have a crap TV....here is a good article to explain it more objectively. This is a non-biased article so don't go saying it's an HD-DVD fanboy position because it's not. It's F-A-C-T.

http://www.hometheatermag.com/gearworks/1106gear/

DJeffries · 11-06-2007, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by stockstar1138

yes, but as far as the picture looking smoother, he is totally off, he is going to see flicker with 1080i and this is going to hurt fast action scenes a lot. and won't a lot of deinterlacing tvs, simply just line double, which will make the picture a 540p upscaled to 1080p picture.

If you start with a 1080P source such as HDM then you are correct. It will always look better at 1080P providing there is no conversion taking place. Once you start upconverting (needed for all most sources for 1080P output) then the better processing device will win out.

Blu-ray Fanatic · 11-06-2007, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by sj001

1080i is better than 1080p.

Right, whatever... and my Atari 2600 has better graphics than my Playstation did.

Where do these people get this s&^%???

I hear ya. A friend of mine told me long ago that Shaquille O'Neil is a better basketball player than Michael Jordan. I just wanted to slap him across the head just for saying that.

pro-bassoonist · 11-06-2007, 06:34 PM

...and DD+ is just as good as PCM, if not better.

Pro-B

DefTechPioElite · 11-06-2007, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stockstar1138

he didn't say what format he supported, but im pretty sure he was trying to feel good about his poor, low bit-rate, half pixaled, low capacity, lossy audio, hardly any studio support, $98 hd dvd a2.

THAT'S WHAT IM TALKIN ABOUT! What a doucher, 1080p is grrrrrrrrreat like frosted flakes.

jedisinclair · 11-06-2007, 06:38 PM

I don't know... now I'm rethinking my position. I should sell my LCD TV and my PS3 and try to track down an old atari 2600 and a black and white TV. I mean, Atari 2600 football vs Madden, what was I thinking???

tron3 · 11-06-2007, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jedisinclair

I don't know... now I'm rethinking my position. I should sell my LCD TV and my PS3 and try to track down an old atari 2600 and a black and white TV. I mean, Atari 2600 football vs Madden, what was I thinking???

You became a victim of FUD.

Heck, I remember buying my Sega Genesis and was awed over the 16 bit power of it compared to my 8 bit Sega Master System. Much as with blu-ray, I repurchased most of the same games for the Genesis.

That was sold long ago and I have the plug-n-play Genesis hand held. Not the mind blowing experience I remember.

In keeping with this thread, I fail to see the difference in even 480i vs 480p. Yet, I prefer 480p for some mental complacency reason.

11-06-2007, 05:42 PM	#1
stockstar1138 Banned Member since:Apr 2007	"1080i is better than 1080p"... I can't find a link, but some guy told me last night that a 1080i signal is better than 1080p for plasmas and lcds that only support 60hz. He claimed that plasmas and lcds will not display an interlaced signal and will change it into a progressive scan, now since the signal is interlaced the tv will wait for all the lines to be fed to the display, not just every other line, and then scan it progressivly on the tv. since it is doing it this way viewers are seeing 1080p/30 which is closer to 1080p/24 than 1080p/60, thus a smooter looking picture.

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11-06-2007, 05:44 PM	#2
juanleche Active Member Member since:Oct 2007	crack is whack

11-06-2007, 05:47 PM	#3
stockstar1138 Banned Member since:Apr 2007	he didn't say what format he supported, but im pretty sure he was trying to feel good about his poor, low bit-rate, half pixaled, low capacity, lossy audio, hardly any studio support, $98 hd dvd a2.

11-06-2007, 05:50 PM	#4
bhampton Blu-ray Count Member since:Aug 2007 4K collection:981 Blu-ray collection:2537 DVD collection:67 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:18	Yeah, This is why 480i from DVD was better. Good Luck finding a 480i only DVD player that's recent. People will sing the praises of 1080i right up to the moment they can afford 1080p. -Brian

11-06-2007, 05:51 PM	#5
MouseRider Active Member Member since:Aug 2007	Typical armchair science. People do realize that LCD, DLP and Plasma displays don't scan like CRTs right?

11-06-2007, 05:54 PM	#6
sj001 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Rochester, NY Blu-ray collection:317 DVD collection:17 Trading Score:5	1080i is better than 1080p. Right, whatever... and my Atari 2600 has better graphics than my Playstation did. Where do these people get this s&^%???

11-06-2007, 06:13 PM	#12
Sonny Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Aug 2007 Home Theater Gallery:8 Blu-ray reviews:6 Trading Score:1	moon-patrol , joust , jungle hunt , millipede, centipede This is on the 1981 Atari (I still have it)

11-06-2007, 06:16 PM	#13
T-Town Oil Expert Member Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Tulsa, Oklahoma Home Theater Gallery:20 Blu-ray collection:42 Blu-ray reviews:3	ohhh jungle hunt, forgot about that one. does anyone remember the game porky's? that was the worst game ever i think

11-06-2007, 06:19 PM	#14
StilettoViper Active Member Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Dulles, VA	1080p vs 1080i is not noticable to the human eye unless you have a crap TV....here is a good article to explain it more objectively. This is a non-biased article so don't go saying it's an HD-DVD fanboy position because it's not. It's F-A-C-T. http://www.hometheatermag.com/gearworks/1106gear/

11-06-2007, 06:34 PM	#17
pro-bassoonist Blu-ray reviewer Top contributor Member since:Jul 2007 Location:X Home Theater Gallery:47 4K collection:- Blu-ray collection:- DVD collection:- Blu-ray reviews: 31 Trading Score:23	...and DD+ is just as good as PCM, if not better. Pro-B

11-06-2007, 06:38 PM	#19
jedisinclair Senior Member Member since:Nov 2006 Blu-ray collection:42 Trading Score:3	I don't know... now I'm rethinking my position. I should sell my LCD TV and my PS3 and try to track down an old atari 2600 and a black and white TV. I mean, Atari 2600 football vs Madden, what was I thinking???

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