A question about Beauty and the Beast

[mdonovan]

I have a blu ray of Beauty and the Beast that has had the color timings significantly altered from the theatrical release. I mean ... really really altered to the point of almost resembling a Saturday Morning Cartoon.

The question is ... Is this new color the only transfer ever released on Blu Ray ?

Thanks !

The disc I have is a travesty ... no more subtle tone ... only bright garish bs.

[Brian81]

The colors are different between the 2D and 3D discs, FWIW.

[filmmusic]

Originally Posted by mdonovan

I have a blu ray of Beauty and the Beast that has had the color timings significantly altered from the theatrical release. I mean ... really really altered to the point of almost resembling a Saturday Morning Cartoon.

The question is ... Is this new color the only transfer ever released on Blu Ray ?

Thanks !

The disc I have is a travesty ... no more subtle tone ... only bright garish bs.

Thank you for being a sensible person and noticing it!
Unfortunately yes.
This travesty of a restoration is the only version of the film on Bluray, and on DVD.
The only more accurate to the theatrical release colors are the VHS and LD.
It's a real pity because BATB is my favourite animation film of all time, and my second favourite film of all time!

The 3D may be a bit differnet than the 2d, but it's on the same road of colors..

Here you can see a discussion on the subject in various posts.
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...=204278&page=9

and here's some screenshot comparisons between VHS, LD, 2D and 3D Bluray (notice how the early bright morning has become a late afternoon):

[jscoggins]

How come the VHS looks better than the LD (unless the labeling was switched)?

[filmmusic]

Originally Posted by jscoggins

How come the VHS looks better than the LD (unless the labeling was switched)?

What do you mean? that it seems sharper?
Well, I guess this would be due to the rips..

[jscoggins]

Originally Posted by filmmusic

What do you mean? that it seems sharper?
Well, I guess this would be due to the rips..

Yeah, plus it's blown out.

[filmmusic]

Shadows are gone too:

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/scree...759&position=3

[Todd Tomorrow]

I think the BD looks considerably better, with richer colors and far better contrast. What is a labelled as the LD looks bleached out and the VHS has a pink tinge to it. The 3D Blu-ray of course has to be brighter to make up for the glasses.

[filmmusic]

Originally Posted by Todd Tomorrow

I think the BD looks considerably better, with richer colors and far better contrast. What is a labelled as the LD looks bleached out and the VHS has a pink tinge to it. The 3D Blu-ray of course has to be brighter to make up for the glasses.

OF course there are opinions about what is better or not, but the Bluray is NOT the original!
And a priority of a studio should be to release the original first, and then give as a supplement the changed version for people who like cheap-looking animation better!
The original color palette of BATB was a masterpiece.
It was melancholic, with not oversaturated colors, and shadows, mimicing renaissance paintings.
Now, it's become a circus fest for the people of 21st century that like animation over-colorful!

If the same thing had happened to a live action Bluray, there would be a public outrcry!
I don't understand why don't people care about this Bluray. I guess they're used to the computer animation colorful palettes.
Eg. Arachnophophia was re-released with correct colors for much less errors (the levels of black that was like gray).
Also, The French connection was re-released.

The colors were changed deliberately, and this is shown by the loss of shadows in the Be our Guest scene I posted above,* and that is unforgivable!


*I say that, because many are saying that the Bluray presents the original accurate colors, and VHS and LD present wrong colors due to the limits of the medium.
But, if the BLuray colors are accurate, the limits of VHS and LD couldn't "create" shadows in eg. the Be our Guest scene.
Therefore it is evident, that the colors were changed!
Not to mention all the publicity stills, etc. of that time, that present the VHS, LD colors. And of course the colors of the theatrical version that I saw in the theaters and loved.

[Todd Tomorrow]

Originally Posted by filmmusic

OF course there are opinions about what is better or not, but the Bluray is NOT the original!
And a priority of a studio should be to release the original first, and then give as a supplement the changed version for people who like cheap-looking animation better!
The original color palette of BATB was a masterpiece.
It was melancholic, with not oversaturated colors, and shadows, mimicing renaissance paintings.
Now, it's become a circus fest for the people of 21st century that like animation over-colorful!

I don't see a "circus fest" when it comes to the BD, maybe you've gotten too used to the faded looking versions of the VHS and the LD. What you've presented there doesn't look like a masterpiece of a color palette to me, it looks more like the flaws inherent in the outdated media, with the lighter colours burned out and a reddish tinge. The BD looks closer to what I saw at the theatre. You would really need a film print or the original cells to prove your point.

Disney have put out some subpar transfers of their animation classics, but this isn't one of them.

[filmmusic]

Originally Posted by Todd Tomorrow

The BD looks closer to what I saw at the theatre.

Really?
Do you remember the sky in Belle being orange/yellow like that?
I got the VHS just a couple of weeks after I saw the film in the theater and it was EXACTLY like what i had seen!

By the way, the still i posted above from Be our Guest is a film still or maybe coming from a cell or something and not an LD or VHS screenshot, and it shows how the colors were!

You can't deny that the colors were changed, and this is evident from the bluray itself.
If you see the work in progress film (and i think it opens in a little window along with the film, i don't have the Bluray), it shows the original colors from a 35mm transfer with grain, albeit in the darker spectrum, but you see that it was a different color palette.

[Moviefan2k4]

I have the Blu-Ray, and I think it looks and sounds phenomenal. I saw this movie so many times growing up, and had to memorize all the songs for school at that age (junior-high choir). Its my favorite entry in the Disney Renaissance, and I couldn't be happier with how this release turned out.

[moviebuff75]

A mistake is included on the blu as well: After the "Something There" song, they accidentally included a shot from the Special Edition instead of the theatrical version. I believe it was corrected for the 3D version.

[mdonovan]

Originally Posted by Todd Tomorrow

I don't see a "circus fest" when it comes to the BD, maybe you've gotten too used to the faded looking versions of the VHS and the LD. What you've presented there doesn't look like a masterpiece of a color palette to me, it looks more like the flaws inherent in the outdated media, with the lighter colours burned out and a reddish tinge. The BD looks closer to what I saw at the theatre. You would really need a film print or the original cells to prove your point.

Disney have put out some subpar transfers of their animation classics, but this isn't one of them.

Wrong. Goto YouTube there is a video there comparing the restoration to the original colors. The original has a MUCH more artistic use of colors. Especially in the skin tones . The restoration looks like a Saturday morning cartoon. If you can't see that I can't help you.

[mdonovan]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

I have the Blu-Ray, and I think it looks and sounds phenomenal. I saw this movie so many times growing up, and had to memorize all the songs for school at that age (junior-high choir). Its my favorite entry in the Disney Renaissance, and I couldn't be happier with how this release turned out.

Did you see it in the theatre? Cause i did ... About 10 times ... It looked nothing like the blu ray.

[cakefactory]

The only thing that looked odd to me on the bluray was the way the light shining through windows seemed to be a much less impressive effect than it was in the theater/on the VHS, but yeah, those screen caps make it all look weird. I don't think the bluray looks bad exactly, but it was an odd artistic choice.

[JTanck]

I love love love Beauty and the Beast, the blu isn't the best but it gets the job done!

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by mdonovan

Did you see it in the theatre? Cause i did ... About 10 times ... It looked nothing like the blu ray.

I'm pretty sure I did, because I was 11 when it first came out...but in all honesty, I don't remember most of my childhood. It comes to me in pieces.

[StingingVelvet]

To me it looks like they got more of the original color out of it when remastering. The LD and VHS releases look faded and bleached.