The BDA did something stupid and comments like these make you wonder...

[MerrickG]

Well, the BDA made some really stupid comments that got reported on betanews that in my opinion could really end up causing a lot of controversy.


http://www.betanews.com/article/Blur...nto/1199841379


It’s the customers problem for buying too early:

“When BetaNews asked developers of BD Live whether they were concerned about a backlash from early adopters who supported the format from the beginning, we were told: "They knew what they were getting into."

BDA President Andy Parsons echoed that sentiment at the Blu-ray press conference Monday, telling BetaNews that it's normal for new technology to change and older hardware to become obsolete. ”


Apparently, it’s HD DVD’s fault for making them release too soon:


“When BetaNews asked why these manufacturers rushed out players that were not fully capable and potentially buggy due to their BD-J implementation, the Blu-ray partner pointed blame across the room to HD DVD. "We should have waited another year to introduce Blu-ray to the public, but the format war changed the situation," he said. HD DVD was already coming and the BDA had no choice but to launch Blu-ray.”


While I agree with the above to an extend, its just really stupid to see things like this

[Cory108]

Thats just the way life is. They had to release when they did or HD DvD would have had 100% of the market share. People would have had no choice. Getting Blu out the door was great I guess, I bought a PS3 when they launched but waited to get a player until more than a year after that. I mean look, if the PS3 would have been pushed up to be closer to the 360, things might be different.

They chose to go up against the Wii, instead.

[spam.curitiba]

Originally Posted by merrick97

Well, the BDA made some really stupid comments that got reported on betanews that in my opinion could really end up causing a lot of controversy.


http://www.betanews.com/article/Blur...nto/1199841379


It’s the customers problem for buying too early:

“When BetaNews asked developers of BD Live whether they were concerned about a backlash from early adopters who supported the format from the beginning, we were told: "They knew what they were getting into."

BDA President Andy Parsons echoed that sentiment at the Blu-ray press conference Monday, telling BetaNews that it's normal for new technology to change and older hardware to become obsolete. ”


Apparently, it’s HD DVD’s fault for making them release too soon:


“When BetaNews asked why these manufacturers rushed out players that were not fully capable and potentially buggy due to their BD-J implementation, the Blu-ray partner pointed blame across the room to HD DVD. "We should have waited another year to introduce Blu-ray to the public, but the format war changed the situation," he said. HD DVD was already coming and the BDA had no choice but to launch Blu-ray.”


While I agree with the above to an extend, its just really stupid to see things like this

And I am sure these comments will be blown out more than they really need to be.

[Blus Brother]

by the way love Exodus and old school thrash, but I dont believe any harm will come of anything they said - for one, everyone of us who sees this stuff, there are another million who never will. I think we who really keep us with this news are in the minority.

[MerrickG]

The reality is that it is not a HUGE issue, when you consider that far and away the majority of the bluray users are on the PS3 and he is right that the majority of people are into bluray for one thing:

Movies, not features.

But nevertheless the BDA needs to work very hard to start phasing out the 1.0 players.

I have Sunshine and 3:10 to Yuma, and while PiP is certainly cool. I can certainly say the majority of users will be fine without it.

[user friendly]

Yeah, it's not like the movies won't work or anything that drastic. I wouldn't be too upset if I couldn't check the web features or the pip jazz.

[Striker]

Originally Posted by merrick97

The reality is that it is not a HUGE issue, when you consider that far and away the majority of the bluray users are on the PS3 and he is right that the majority of people are into bluray for one thing:

Movies, not features.

But nevertheless the BDA needs to work very hard to start phasing out the 1.0 players.

I have Sunshine and 3:10 to Yuma, and while PiP is certainly cool. I can certainly say the majority of users will be fine without it.

Owning a Sony 300 I am kinda bummed about the feature availables on upcoming players. I will tell you I am sick and tired of hearing on this format war and believe it is time for all to move on.

[frenchglen]

This will only appear controvesial to former HD-DEAD fanboys who seem to value extra features and internet connectivity more than picture and audio quality, and who think that a new format can suddenly come out and immediately be completed, ready and cheap for the masses.

+ people with short tempers (no I'm not singling anyone out here).

HD-DVD's price was too good to be true. It was crappy second-best HD, it was quick-to-market, and cheap. And now, dead.

But I do agree, that PR person is pretty stupid for saying that. Even though it is true, it can never be helping to say that it was your customers' fault for buying your product.

But growing pains are a part of any new format, and early adopters should accept that.

[Seretur]

Why is this stupid? There's nothing we didn't know in this article. And raise your hand if you've never bought a second DVD player in your life, to take advantage of region-free playability, upscaling, DTS, whatever.

People can choose to get offended by these comments, but then, nowadays people can choose to get offended by just about anything under the Sun.

[Theo Cupier]

Originally Posted by frenchglen

This will only appear controvesial to former HD-DEAD fanboys who seem to value extra features and internet connectivity more than picture and audio quality, and who think that a new format can suddenly come out and immediately be completed, ready and cheap for the masses.

Excellent. I'm converting from HD DVD to Bluray. Can you list for me all the BD players, which can decode DTSMA & TrueHD and unzip Uncompressed PCM onboard and send it to my amp via 5.1 analog?

I don't care about interactive features, just PQ and AQ which should be easy, right?

Incidentally, having watched all the chest beating about how HD DVD buyers have only themselves to blame for "buying too early", I'm a little confused about the opinions in this thread.

[MerrickG]

Originally Posted by bosels11

by the way love Exodus and old school thrash, but I dont believe any harm will come of anything they said - for one, everyone of us who sees this stuff, there are another million who never will. I think we who really keep us with this news are in the minority.

Exodus rules. I would have rather chosen to use an avatar for an album like Tempo of the Damned or Fabulous Disaster, which in my opinion is the BEST thrash album to come out of the 80s.

[Whytewash]

I honestly dont see an issue with this. Yeah it was a pretty stupid comment but honestly, Had the BDA not launched when they did, we could all quite possibly have HD DVD players right now. BD could have ended up being like HD VMD or whatever that new thing is and none of us would have been the wiser.

BD came out when they did for a reason and personally, Im happy for it

[Seabass]

To me it's stating the obvious. Also there were some editorial remarks that led the reader if one thinks about it. The "blame HD-DVD" part was asinine. It is what it is. HD-DVD was there already, what the BDA are going to wait and let that format get waaayyyy ahead. To me it's the only move that made sense at the time.

Just the facts, just the facts, and them was the facts.

[NovaBomb]

Originally Posted by merrick97

it's normal for new technology to change and older hardware to become obsolete. ”

yeah, and the older hardware at the time was going for $1200

[OokieSpookie]

Originally Posted by merrick97

Well, the BDA made some really stupid comments that got reported on betanews that in my opinion could really end up causing a lot of controversy.


http://www.betanews.com/article/Blur...nto/1199841379


It’s the customers problem for buying too early:

“When BetaNews asked developers of BD Live whether they were concerned about a backlash from early adopters who supported the format from the beginning, we were told: "They knew what they were getting into."

BDA President Andy Parsons echoed that sentiment at the Blu-ray press conference Monday, telling BetaNews that it's normal for new technology to change and older hardware to become obsolete. ”


Apparently, it’s HD DVD’s fault for making them release too soon:


“When BetaNews asked why these manufacturers rushed out players that were not fully capable and potentially buggy due to their BD-J implementation, the Blu-ray partner pointed blame across the room to HD DVD. "We should have waited another year to introduce Blu-ray to the public, but the format war changed the situation," he said. HD DVD was already coming and the BDA had no choice but to launch Blu-ray.”


While I agree with the above to an extend, its just really stupid to see things like this

And what exactly do you want them to say?
It is pretty much the truth of the matter.
The bottom line is that there are players out there that are not up to par with newer ones and no smooth talking pr is going to change that.

[Richard Paul]

Originally Posted by merrick97

Well, the BDA made some really stupid comments that got reported on betanews that in my opinion could really end up causing a lot of controversy.


http://www.betanews.com/article/Blur...nto/1199841379
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To me that looks like nothing more than anti-Blu-ray propaganda made by a HD DVD supporter trying to smear Blu-ray. Nate Mook has been posting pro-HD DVD articles on betanews for a good while so I wouldn't believe any of his negative claims against Blu-ray unless he had some evidence for them. Also note that the only quote in that article that has a name attached to it is the quote from Andy Parsons who said more than the bit that Nate Mook mentioned.

Merrick, don't take this the wrong way but don't be so quick to accept these articles just because someone posted them on the internet. All that does it give credibility to articles that don't provide evidence for what they are claiming. The only quote I see in that article that even comes close to coming from the BDA was the one from Andy Parsons while all the other quotes supposedly come from unnamed sources.

[The Don]

I don't really get offended...

he is a dumbass though, so don't confuse my words for being narrowminded or anything ...

[Neo65]

VHS and DVD both had improvements going forward. VHS added Linear Stereo, then HiFi. 1st DVD players could not decode DD multi-channel, the next batch couldn't handle DTS at all. See the component video output? The first and 2nd batch of players didn't even have them! Even the ability to decode JPEG and DIVX was a late addition. As is the progressive playback via componentVideo.

The point is that in CE space, the 'finished standard' emphasis is on "finished" as opposed to standard. Things that don't evolve are "finished" as in "kaput" o/w known as "he dead".

If AVRs stop adding new features, it'd be "finished" too. Remember DolbyProLogic? Matrix Surround? AC3? DTS? Component switching, HDMI upconvert? Now DTHD and DTSHDMA and PCM 7.1. These are all features that is part and parcel of how things evolve. You can be sure there will be new features.

As soon as DVD players ran out of features, yup. It was "finished" too and became disposable.

Well look at PCs. That's a real fancy toy that survived well didn't it? Why did PCs look so alive? Maybe it's because it's never "finished".

Meanwhile look at HD DVD and claims that it's "finished". Ok. Never mind. I rest my case.

[Achilles3]

I don't see why the big debate over this.

[U4K61]

No complaint's about my PS3 purchase. It's the Blu-ray player I can recommend with a clear conscience to friends. There is no 'only if I waited' with its firmware updates. The double edged sword of progress: On the one hand we want something new to come around, but then hem and haw when next years model has features that makes obsolete the one we own.