A Tale of Two Sisters

[Anamnesis]

This title was recently released in Korea and is presently being discussed in this thread, but I feel it deserves its own thread!





Order:
Kimchidvd
YesAsia

BD Info Scan:

DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     A_TALE_OF_TWO_SISTERS
Disc Size:      46,858,958,750 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        No
BDInfo:         0.5.8

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00004.MPLS
Length:                 1:54:33.199 (h:m:s.ms)
Size:                   29,107,900,416 bytes
Total Bitrate:          33.88 Mbps

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        30000 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             Korean          1684 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 1684 kbps / 16-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 16-bit)
Dolby Digital Audio             Korean          192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / DN -4dB
Dolby Digital Audio             Korean          192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / DN -4dB

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           Korean          7.961 kbps                      
Presentation Graphics           English         10.072 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Japanese        5.839 kbps                      

FILES:

Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
----            -------         ------          ----            -------------   
00005.M2TS      0:00:00.000     1:54:33.199     29,107,900,416  33,880          

CHAPTERS:

Number          Time In         Length          Avg Video Rate  Max 1-Sec Rate  Max 1-Sec Time  Max 5-Sec Rate  Max 5-Sec Time  Max 10Sec Rate  Max 10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
------          -------         ------          --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  
1               0:00:00.000     0:05:57.190     26,509 kbps     49,077 kbps     00:05:42.008    43,910 kbps     00:05:48.347    41,113 kbps     00:05:47.180    138,188 bytes   501,795 bytes   00:00:36.202    
2               0:05:57.190     0:05:24.490     33,116 kbps     53,014 kbps     00:09:05.002    44,347 kbps     00:11:06.791    41,693 kbps     00:11:06.791    172,649 bytes   900,035 bytes   00:08:37.892    
3               0:11:21.681     0:06:22.924     30,001 kbps     43,469 kbps     00:14:45.634    38,776 kbps     00:11:21.680    36,069 kbps     00:11:21.764    156,411 bytes   659,772 bytes   00:11:28.813    
4               0:17:44.605     0:05:33.666     31,119 kbps     38,829 kbps     00:18:46.458    35,103 kbps     00:17:46.482    34,626 kbps     00:17:47.024    162,241 bytes   517,790 bytes   00:19:20.742    
5               0:23:18.271     0:09:52.091     27,486 kbps     37,959 kbps     00:29:31.269    33,918 kbps     00:30:39.170    33,481 kbps     00:30:39.170    143,301 bytes   696,859 bytes   00:28:54.357    
6               0:33:10.363     0:07:46.215     30,372 kbps     42,434 kbps     00:38:50.745    37,906 kbps     00:39:19.607    36,347 kbps     00:38:12.832    158,344 bytes   718,752 bytes   00:39:24.362    
7               0:40:56.579     0:07:59.937     35,064 kbps     47,941 kbps     00:45:05.869    43,756 kbps     00:43:55.549    41,746 kbps     00:43:54.548    182,806 bytes   890,795 bytes   00:43:59.553    
8               0:48:56.516     0:04:29.102     32,695 kbps     43,566 kbps     00:48:56.516    38,956 kbps     00:48:56.558    37,786 kbps     00:48:56.558    170,455 bytes   546,944 bytes   00:51:19.159    
9               0:53:25.619     0:10:39.138     32,391 kbps     45,934 kbps     00:57:39.998    39,233 kbps     00:58:15.033    37,713 kbps     00:58:11.362    168,870 bytes   569,311 bytes   00:57:40.039    
10              1:04:04.757     0:11:13.923     32,140 kbps     45,994 kbps     01:08:34.360    41,442 kbps     01:08:33.067    40,366 kbps     01:08:34.110    167,564 bytes   792,468 bytes   01:08:37.321    
11              1:15:18.680     0:03:32.295     33,248 kbps     41,764 kbps     01:18:25.367    40,872 kbps     01:18:21.363    38,578 kbps     01:18:17.818    173,340 bytes   540,285 bytes   01:17:20.052    
12              1:18:50.976     0:05:36.669     30,482 kbps     44,610 kbps     01:24:06.082    41,338 kbps     01:23:56.031    39,375 kbps     01:23:57.449    158,921 bytes   496,498 bytes   01:24:19.596    
13              1:24:27.645     0:06:41.818     27,614 kbps     42,268 kbps     01:25:12.774    38,392 kbps     01:25:08.978    37,791 kbps     01:25:03.973    143,966 bytes   492,342 bytes   01:24:51.461    
14              1:31:09.464     0:05:46.596     22,493 kbps     48,589 kbps     01:35:48.075    38,481 kbps     01:35:57.710    37,194 kbps     01:35:56.333    117,268 bytes   537,226 bytes   01:35:27.596    
15              1:36:56.060     0:09:38.828     29,812 kbps     51,729 kbps     01:43:41.673    44,478 kbps     01:44:07.241    41,492 kbps     01:44:07.282    155,425 bytes   896,149 bytes   01:39:58.367    
16              1:46:34.888     0:07:58.311     25,541 kbps     46,437 kbps     01:50:50.977    43,249 kbps     01:50:49.476    41,637 kbps     01:50:48.141    133,168 bytes   571,534 bytes   01:51:05.158    

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File            PID             Type            Codec           Language                Seconds                 Bitrate                 Bytes           Packets         
----            ---             ----            -----           --------                --------------          --------------          -------------   -----           
00005.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     6873.033                30,000                  25,774,196,817  140,173,594     
00005.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       kor (Korean)            6873.033                1,684                   1,447,113,868   8,930,638       
00005.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x81            AC3             kor (Korean)            6873.033                192                     164,971,008     1,074,030       
00005.M2TS      4354 (0x1102)   0x81            AC3             kor (Korean)            6873.033                192                     164,971,008     1,074,030       
00005.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             kor (Korean)            6873.033                8                       6,839,330       40,513          
00005.M2TS      4609 (0x1201)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           6873.033                10                      8,653,133       50,403          
00005.M2TS      4610 (0x1202)   0x90            PGS             jpn (Japanese)          6873.033                6                       5,016,626       30,164

Screenshots:

[Mansinthe]

so how does this transfer do compared to the UK release? and will the US release use the master used on the KR release?

[alexavril]

Originally Posted by Mansinthe

so how does this transfer do compared to the UK release? and will the US release use the master used on the KR release?

kr transfer is much better than uk ,though not perfect

us release is cancelled

[Mansinthe]

Originally Posted by alexavril

us release is cancelled

wtf why? i was looking forward to a better release (since i already own the UK release) but i dont want to spend 30€+ on a korean release that doesnt look that awesome as well... ;(

[deepbreathsanddeath]

Looks like a big step up from the UK blu-ray to me. Actual detail, definition and a grain structure. Can't wait to receive mine and check it out

[alexavril]

Originally Posted by Mansinthe

wtf why? i was looking forward to a better release (since i already own the UK release) but i dont want to spend 30€+ on a korean release that doesnt look that awesome as well... ;(

I guess it's cancelled cause amazon can‘t order it anymore

http://www.amazon.com/A-Tale-of-Two-...=B00DJ63DTM&m=

[Anamnesis]

Originally Posted by Mansinthe

so how does this transfer do compared to the UK release? and will the US release use the master used on the KR release?

They both suffer from a range of issues. I am beginning to suspect though that the source materials are to blame for most of them.

There is weird gate wobble at almost every edit point as well as some interesting compression issues in certain scenes. The grain structure also suffers from some compression artifacts (especially in darker scenes where some smearing is evident)

The colours are certainly better represented on the Korean disc and none of the interlacing issues of the UK version are present (obviously as a result of a new progressive scan), but the source is still the same as the UK master given some of the film damage and specs are identical in location.

[nitin]

watched this last night, it's a bizaare disc, generally very good looking but then a strange looking compression artifact will pop up (and its not because of bitrate which is very high). A good example is when the sisters first enter the house, watch the red sweater as the light level changes.

In addition, without any sort of consistency, a lot of the darker scenes have varying levels of noise.

Having said all of that, when it's good, it's really good. Colors and Sharpness are terrific.

I would probably score it a 3.75/5 overall.

[CatN123]

Is the disk region free or not? Yesasia makes the Contents zone releases very confusing. Some are region free like SORUM or some are not like A tale of two sisters.

[Yami]

Originally Posted by Mansinthe

wtf why? i was looking forward to a better release (since i already own the UK release) but i dont want to spend 30€+ on a korean release that doesnt look that awesome as well... ;(

The US release hasn't been cancelled, just delayed. It will apparently use the same transfer as this Korean release.

[Anamnesis]

Originally Posted by CatN123

Is the disk region free or not? Yesasia makes the Contents zone releases very confusing. Some are region free like SORUM or some are not like A tale of two sisters.

If nobody has answered this when I get home after work I will confirm for you

[deepbreathsanddeath]

Originally Posted by Yami

The US release hasn't been cancelled, just delayed. It will apparently use the same transfer as this Korean release.

Could you please link me to the source that states it will be the same transfer?

[rewak]

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...48#post8286048 I don't know what podcast it was though, but that's where we found out it'll be the same transfer.

There's a comparison of the UK and Korean transfers here - http://dvdprime.donga.com/bbs/view.a...2383648&page=1

Does the Korean Blu have English subtitles for the extras?

[Jasonic]

Originally Posted by rewak

Does the Korean Blu have English subtitles for the extras?

No. It would be rare of any Korean blu ray movie to have them on the extras. I tried watching the deleted scenes, and I fell asleep through them because there were no subs and Kim Ji-woon talks through the entire thing (and it was very late).

[Mansinthe]

the korean transfer does look better, but in my opinion it looks like they used some kind of filter (sharpening and noise reduction) and maybe gamma correction, the colors look better but on some screens they look to bright as well.

i would defintly get these bluray but only for a lower price! the difference is not huge enough for that amount of money they want..

[nitin]

there is some EE but nothing that distracting, more distracting are the artifacts that Anamnesis and I mention above.

[Anamnesis]

Originally Posted by CatN123

Is the disk region free or not? Yesasia makes the Contents zone releases very confusing. Some are region free like SORUM or some are not like A tale of two sisters.

The disc will play on a Region B player (tested using my Australian PS3), can't confirm Region C playback though...

I have just had a look at the Tartan Asia Extreme DVD and none of the 'film' issues appear to be present on that transfer, so I really would like to know what the deal with these weird movement issues on both blu-rays are. It is a really distracting issue and one I was hoping would be corrected with this release. It is certainly not as bad on the Korean disc as it is on the UK version, but the fact that it is even there at all is not good. It seems we are stuck with it though if the U.S release is going to be using the same master. Shame, because to be honest I would rather watch the upscaled PAL DVD than either blu-ray.... I find it THAT distracting!

[nitin]

are you referring to the 'gate wobble' you describe above? Is that the same as telecine wobble (ie I should be seeing a jitter in the frame at edit points)?

[Anamnesis]

Originally Posted by nitin

are you referring to the 'gate wobble' you describe above? Is that the same as telecine wobble (ie I should be seeing a jitter in the frame at edit points)?

Yeah I am not really sure what the hell it is.... could be telecine wobble, but it does not always effect the whole frame.., I am afraid these kind of things really distract me and each time I notice one it takes me out of the film... which for a movie like this is a big no no... I truly am surprised these kind of defects are deemed acceptable... it almost makes me think they didn't even watch the film running at normal speed on anything larger than a 24" monitor in the studio. I would be interested to know where the print they used for this release came from. A Tale of Two Sisters is one of my favourite films, I have owned (and still do) many incarnations of it:

I am about the check what the print on the R3 Limited Edition DVD looks like....

*EDIT* So the issue is even worse on the R3 DVD... obviously whatever print the Koreans used as a master is where the issue is stemming from... so not sure where Tartan sourced the version they used on the U.K DVD?!

[PGW]

Maybe they didn't use a different print - just cut out a frame or two at the beginning of each shot to "correct" the problem?