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Gamekid · 02-25-2008, 07:06 PM

It has taken quite some time for sony to produce different models of the playstation 3 and while the variety is nice. I don't really see a point in having 4 different models to choose from. From launch time, we had the 60 and the 20 and everyone went for the 60. Then came the 80, which was like the 60 plus 20 extra gigs of hard drive space, a freebie game and less backwards compatiblity with older ps1 and ps2 games. Now we have the 40, with no backwards compatibility for ps2 games and I hear that it could be done with sofware emualation. My question is this, why even do that? It wouldn't make any sense to eliminate ps2 support from a ps3 and then add it in via software emulation. Sony calls the shots on different models, but I really think that we should only have a few models. Take the 80 out and have the 40 only support ps3 games. That would get the cost down more then at $399.99. Now there is a rumor that a 120 GB ps3 is in the works, but why add that to the lineup? It's nice to have variety, but I really think that sony needs to not have so many models to choose from. Going with software emulation is not a good idea because you can't get the list to be 100% complete, at least microsoft can't according to wikipedia.

PS3ds · 02-25-2008, 10:01 PM

There is not a large line up. There is the 40 and the 80. The 80 will be replaced with the 120.

Shin-Ra · 02-25-2008, 10:06 PM

I don't understand your concern, there's only ever two models at once and the differences are clearly identifiable.

Pilam69 · 02-25-2008, 10:10 PM

The 20 and 60 no longer exist (from a SKU perspective, not being produced).

The 60 had the emotion engine in it (basically the PS2 inside as well as the PS3 architecture).

The 80 does support MOST PS2 games via emulation.

Some specific games cannot be emulated and will not be supported.

Currently the only SKU's are the 40 and 80.

As noted above, the 80 will be replaced with the 120 according to all the sources I have read.

Sony has stated they intend to only have 2 SKU's at any one time but that doesn't mean old inventory won't still be in the system. I bet you'd have a hard time finding a 20 and the 60's are getting rare. I'm tempted to buy another 60 before they completely disappear.

Gamekid · 02-25-2008, 10:28 PM

Sony has made several playstation 3 models. It's like "It just keeps changing." I hear on some website that Sony could bring the other models back from the dead. What do you get with the 120? It seems that Sony is not giving us enough time to get the model that we want. Why keep changing the models?

Denzelio · 02-25-2008, 10:37 PM

The PS2 emulation was only removed as the PS2 and PS2 'SOFTWARE' is still available..

Basically the consumer is a cheap skate every time given the opportunity - likewise they buy the cheapest 7th gen console the Wii in mass, and thus will always buy a PS2 version of a game to play on the PS3 if they can do so as it ofcourse cost less. So far PS3 games have sold little and if PS2 was no longer around there would have been higher sales. So it is Sony's own fault they can't have high sales on both PS2 & PS3 at the same time. Once the PS2 is removed only then do i see PS2 b/c returning.

I predict once the slimline PS3 is eventually available. (late 2009 or 2010).

As for a 120GB SKU this is only a cosmetic change, all that matters for mass PS3 adoption is a low enough price that everyone is willing to pay.

The only reason for the different SKUs so far has been primarily to save on manufacturing costs.

Gamekid · 02-25-2008, 10:43 PM

Too many rumors going around with the 120 GB ps3. Sony has an ace up their sleeve with something. If you took the 40 and got rid of the ps1 compability, then could you lower the price to $299.99? Sony is at the very top level with Nintendo at the very bottom and Microsoft right in the middle. Put home out and I think that everyone will sign up to be with Sony. We have a strong holiday lineup that includes Metal Gear Solid and Gran Turismo 5.

Denzelio · 02-25-2008, 10:50 PM

at the very least PS1 compatibility will never go they are talking about adding PS2 compatibility so you can download PS2 games like the PS1 games at a certain future time, the game downloading is a nessesary way of increasing revenue the Wii has their Very successful retro games the 360 has there live subscription service, and the PS3 has it's PS1 games. One of the most important factors is Exclusive games but the most important before everything else is always the price of the console in the first place.

Shin-Ra · 02-25-2008, 10:51 PM

PS1 emulation has been via software 100% since the very beginning, it doesn't cost anything more to include it in every PS3 model.

Gamekid · 02-25-2008, 10:52 PM

If Sony is at the very top of the line, should people pay more? Between Microsoft and Sony, you put more money into Microsoft then you do with Sony.

Denzelio · 02-25-2008, 10:57 PM

emulation doesn't cost anything during manufacturing but it does cost money through updating and upgrading it and adding more games to make 100%, the cost comes through employees being employed and paid solely to work on emulation when a chip would have removed that need. This was another reason why PS2 emulation was removed it need Alot of work....

Blu boy · 02-25-2008, 10:57 PM

to really help the ps3 here are a few things i sugest to sony. get the update out for ingame xmb, decoding for dst ma, and home. bring the 40gb to $350 like the 360 pro. have the 120gb at $450 like the 360 elite. one thing that will help is the new 45nm prossessors. just my opinion.

Shin-Ra · 02-25-2008, 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Denzelio

emulation doesn't cost anything during manufacturing but it does cost money through updating and upgrading it and adding more games to make 100%, the cost comes through employees being employed and paid solely to work on emulation when a chip would have removed that need. This was another reason why PS2 emulation was removed it need Alot of work....

They need to work on software emulation anyway to support future sales of PS/PS2 games on the PS Store. PS2 emulation obviously isn't good enough yet which is no surprise. AFAIK there's still no good PS2 emulator for PC from enthusiasts outside of Sony after all these years.

davidPS3 · 02-25-2008, 11:20 PM

I just hope that the 120 is quite. I heard that the 80 was a bit noisy? I have a 60 and a 40. The 40 is whisper quite and the 60 can be heard when on.

Shin-Ra · 02-25-2008, 11:22 PM

There's no reason for the 80 to be noisier than the 60, if anything it should run slightly cooler.

davidPS3 · 02-25-2008, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shin-Ra

There's no reason for the 80 to be noisier than the 60, if anything it should run slightly cooler.

Just going off of what I have read and heard from other owners. I only have a 40 and a 60 and am happy with both. Thanks for the comments though.

ps3andlovinit · 02-25-2008, 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davidPS3

Just going off of what I have read and heard from other owners. I only have a 40 and a 60 and am happy with both. Thanks for the comments though.

After spending some time with it now - mostly Folding@Home and movies - I've found the 80GB to be as quite from a fan perspective as the 40GB - which is not what I expected to be honest. Got our 80GB just before xmas so not sure if it also received the 65nm reduction or not but it seems like it to me.

02-25-2008, 07:06 PM	#1
Gamekid Power Member Member since:Feb 2006	Different ps3 models It has taken quite some time for sony to produce different models of the playstation 3 and while the variety is nice. I don't really see a point in having 4 different models to choose from. From launch time, we had the 60 and the 20 and everyone went for the 60. Then came the 80, which was like the 60 plus 20 extra gigs of hard drive space, a freebie game and less backwards compatiblity with older ps1 and ps2 games. Now we have the 40, with no backwards compatibility for ps2 games and I hear that it could be done with sofware emualation. My question is this, why even do that? It wouldn't make any sense to eliminate ps2 support from a ps3 and then add it in via software emulation. Sony calls the shots on different models, but I really think that we should only have a few models. Take the 80 out and have the 40 only support ps3 games. That would get the cost down more then at $399.99. Now there is a rumor that a 120 GB ps3 is in the works, but why add that to the lineup? It's nice to have variety, but I really think that sony needs to not have so many models to choose from. Going with software emulation is not a good idea because you can't get the list to be 100% complete, at least microsoft can't according to wikipedia.

02-25-2008, 10:37 PM	#6
Denzelio Active Member Member since:Dec 2007 Location:Australia	The PS2 emulation was only removed as the PS2 and PS2 'SOFTWARE' is still available.. Basically the consumer is a cheap skate every time given the opportunity - likewise they buy the cheapest 7th gen console the Wii in mass, and thus will always buy a PS2 version of a game to play on the PS3 if they can do so as it ofcourse cost less. So far PS3 games have sold little and if PS2 was no longer around there would have been higher sales. So it is Sony's own fault they can't have high sales on both PS2 & PS3 at the same time. Once the PS2 is removed only then do i see PS2 b/c returning. I predict once the slimline PS3 is eventually available. (late 2009 or 2010). As for a 120GB SKU this is only a cosmetic change, all that matters for mass PS3 adoption is a low enough price that everyone is willing to pay. The only reason for the different SKUs so far has been primarily to save on manufacturing costs. Last edited by Denzelio; 02-25-2008 at 10:43 PM.

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02-25-2008, 10:01 PM	#2
PS3ds Member Member since:Jan 2008 Blu-ray reviews:1	There is not a large line up. There is the 40 and the 80. The 80 will be replaced with the 120.

02-25-2008, 10:06 PM	#3
Shin-Ra Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Feb 2007 Blu-ray collection:5 Trading Score:1	I don't understand your concern, there's only ever two models at once and the differences are clearly identifiable.

02-25-2008, 10:10 PM	#4
Pilam69 Senior Member Member since:Apr 2007 Blu-ray collection:126	The 20 and 60 no longer exist (from a SKU perspective, not being produced). The 60 had the emotion engine in it (basically the PS2 inside as well as the PS3 architecture). The 80 does support MOST PS2 games via emulation. Some specific games cannot be emulated and will not be supported. Currently the only SKU's are the 40 and 80. As noted above, the 80 will be replaced with the 120 according to all the sources I have read. Sony has stated they intend to only have 2 SKU's at any one time but that doesn't mean old inventory won't still be in the system. I bet you'd have a hard time finding a 20 and the 60's are getting rare. I'm tempted to buy another 60 before they completely disappear.

02-25-2008, 10:28 PM	#5
Gamekid Power Member Member since:Feb 2006	Sony has made several playstation 3 models. It's like "It just keeps changing." I hear on some website that Sony could bring the other models back from the dead. What do you get with the 120? It seems that Sony is not giving us enough time to get the model that we want. Why keep changing the models?

02-25-2008, 10:43 PM	#7
Gamekid Power Member Member since:Feb 2006	Too many rumors going around with the 120 GB ps3. Sony has an ace up their sleeve with something. If you took the 40 and got rid of the ps1 compability, then could you lower the price to $299.99? Sony is at the very top level with Nintendo at the very bottom and Microsoft right in the middle. Put home out and I think that everyone will sign up to be with Sony. We have a strong holiday lineup that includes Metal Gear Solid and Gran Turismo 5.

02-25-2008, 10:50 PM	#8
Denzelio Active Member Member since:Dec 2007 Location:Australia	at the very least PS1 compatibility will never go they are talking about adding PS2 compatibility so you can download PS2 games like the PS1 games at a certain future time, the game downloading is a nessesary way of increasing revenue the Wii has their Very successful retro games the 360 has there live subscription service, and the PS3 has it's PS1 games. One of the most important factors is Exclusive games but the most important before everything else is always the price of the console in the first place.

02-25-2008, 10:51 PM	#9
Shin-Ra Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Feb 2007 Blu-ray collection:5 Trading Score:1	PS1 emulation has been via software 100% since the very beginning, it doesn't cost anything more to include it in every PS3 model.

02-25-2008, 10:52 PM	#10
Gamekid Power Member Member since:Feb 2006	If Sony is at the very top of the line, should people pay more? Between Microsoft and Sony, you put more money into Microsoft then you do with Sony.

02-25-2008, 10:57 PM	#11
Denzelio Active Member Member since:Dec 2007 Location:Australia	emulation doesn't cost anything during manufacturing but it does cost money through updating and upgrading it and adding more games to make 100%, the cost comes through employees being employed and paid solely to work on emulation when a chip would have removed that need. This was another reason why PS2 emulation was removed it need Alot of work....

02-25-2008, 10:57 PM	#12
Blu boy Expert Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Illinois, USA PSNetwork ID: bigredsc Blu-ray collection:20	to really help the ps3 here are a few things i sugest to sony. get the update out for ingame xmb, decoding for dst ma, and home. bring the 40gb to $350 like the 360 pro. have the 120gb at $450 like the 360 elite. one thing that will help is the new 45nm prossessors. just my opinion.

02-25-2008, 11:20 PM	#14
davidPS3 Special Member Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Seattle	I just hope that the 120 is quite. I heard that the 80 was a bit noisy? I have a 60 and a 40. The 40 is whisper quite and the 60 can be heard when on.

02-25-2008, 11:22 PM	#15
Shin-Ra Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Feb 2007 Blu-ray collection:5 Trading Score:1	There's no reason for the 80 to be noisier than the 60, if anything it should run slightly cooler.

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