that old TV question - Blu-ray Forum

theknub · 12-06-2006, 11:51 PM

hey guys...

well the TV i have in my sig developed a bad tube and yoke (or at least what it sounded like my tech said). anyway, so it boils down to two options. my store will replace my tv with the new 970 model or will give me $1,000 credit to a new set.

now, my current set is about a year and i paid $1,600 for it. obviously, i don't want to spend a whole lot on a new set since my current set is so recent. however, if i do get something new i want it to be a quality set.

i haven't done much shopping or anything like that but i have been looking at the kdf-50e2000 and the kdf-50a2000. aside from 1080p, any significant differences between the two? any other recommendations out there?

thanks

JTK · 12-07-2006, 12:37 AM

An ISF Calibrator could fix that problem in your great set for maybe a couple of hundred bucks or so, tops, if you really want to keep it.

http://www.hdtvbychadb.com/ <- This was the one who did mine. I don't know where you live and if he covers your area or not.

He's amazed me at where he's ended up. If you want, fill out his form and send it in. It's non binding and he'll get back to you and you guys can hash it out and see if that's the way you want to go. Chad is a super great guy and he charges as low as you're ever going to see for all that kind of work.

http://www.imagingscience.com/isf-trained.cfm
^^ Otherwise use this.

The 970 is a rebadged HS420. It's a nice TV but it does NOT have the Super Fine Pitch Tube, which means adios to roughly 40 percent of that great resolution you've been spoiled by. It doesn't deserve to be called an XBR set.

If you want to leave the realm of CRT tube land, I guess this is as good a time as any, if you can afford it.

The a2000 or its XBR bretheren are probably your best choices all the way around.

ProvenFlipper · 12-07-2006, 02:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JTK

The 970 is a rebadged HS420. It's a nice TV but it does NOT have the Super Fine Pitch Tube, which means adios to roughly 40 percent of that great resolution you've been spoiled by. It doesn't deserve to be called an XBR set.

If you want to leave the realm of CRT tube land, I guess this is as good a time as any, if you can afford it.

The a2000 or its XBR bretheren are probably your best choices all the way around.

I thought I was the only one who thought this...

I agree with JTK... take the $1000 and put it towards the KDF50A2000 you are talking about. Best Buy has it for $1999 right now. I would go and scoop that one up quickly and be done with it.

theknub · 12-07-2006, 04:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JTK

An ISF Calibrator could fix that problem in your great set for maybe a couple of hundred bucks or so, tops, if you really want to keep it.

sadly an ISF calibration can't. the tech who was out and did all the testing and what not said it is a physical problem with the tube. no calibration or anything can fix that. basically, in labor alone it is close to $900 to fix. thus why the dilemma i am presented with and why they are willing to just give me the credit instead.

Quote:

The 970 is a rebadged HS420. It's a nice TV but it does NOT have the Super Fine Pitch Tube, which means adios to roughly 40 percent of that great resolution you've been spoiled by. It doesn't deserve to be called an XBR set.

if you are serious about this, then i'll just move up to something else since that is truly my only option. i'm not going to take an a completely inferior product in return.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProvenFlipper

I agree with JTK... take the $1000 and put it towards the KDF50A2000 you are talking about. Best Buy has it for $1999 right now. I would go and scoop that one up quickly and be done with it.

right now, i am with you on this. if as jtk and you said, then the 970 isn't worth the exchange (or my time).

as for my earlier question, in this case the a2000 is really what i want. of course, it is another 900 to 1100 more. im in the middle of buying a house right now, so disposable income is at an all time low at the moment. i can't be spending frivolously but i also need/want something of quality (like my old set).

so to continue with my first question, aside from 1080p, is there a big difference between the e2000 and the a2000?

JTK · 12-07-2006, 01:25 PM

"e" = LCD

"a" = SXRD/LCOS.

"a" all the way or pick its XBR2 or XBR3 brother if they offer it at the size and price you want.

theknub · 12-07-2006, 02:02 PM

well as you know, the xbr displays are one or two more dollars. so, that is definitely out of the question.

as for "e" being for LCD... isn't lcos technology being used it is a 3 lcd technology (sticker on the TV also mentioned it)

i agree "a" is the way to go... but if i can save 500-600 buying the "e" that may be the route i take just because of my current financial situation

AV_Integrated · 12-07-2006, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theknub

as for "e" being for LCD... isn't lcos technology being used it is a 3 lcd technology (sticker on the TV also mentioned it)

LCoS is a hybrid mirror/lcd technology that is not the same as the 3 LCD technology in use.

Where 3LCD passes light through 3 separate LCD panels.
LCoS (or SXRD/DiLA) puts LCDs onto mirrors and bounces light through three LCDs twice. This double contrast ratio and doubles response rate for those displays while maintaining rich color saturation.

Sony's SXRD displays are about as good as you can get right now unless you can live with going down in size and getting a tube CRT. But tube CRTs are dropping in quality as requests for that technology disappears. The focus by manufacturers is switing entirely towards rear projection (DLP/LCoS/LCD) and flat panels (plasma/LCD) even though their image may not be as good as a conventional CRT, they require less materials and can go far larger in size.

ay221 · 12-07-2006, 03:05 PM

It's a shame your tv would break with just a year in.

Are DLP rear projections bottom of the barrel now?

theknub · 12-07-2006, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AV_Integrated

LCoS is a hybrid mirror/lcd technology that is not the same as the 3 LCD technology in use.

Where 3LCD passes light through 3 separate LCD panels.
LCoS (or SXRD/DiLA) puts LCDs onto mirrors and bounces light through three LCDs twice. This double contrast ratio and doubles response rate for those displays while maintaining rich color saturation.

Sony's SXRD displays are about as good as you can get right now unless you can live with going dow

thank you for the clarification. obviously, i had 3 lcd and lcos as synonymous (for obvious reasons).

the more i think about it, the more i think i may not be getting quite enough compensation since the 970 doesn't seem to be quite as good of a set. anyway, i'll see what i can swing today. otherwise, i may end up with the e2000.

theknub · 12-10-2006, 04:42 PM

good news so far. i voiced my concerns on friday to my dealer. essentially, i told them the 970 isn't as good of a set (which they agreed with) and that the e2000 has not as nice of a picture resolution. so, my guy is going to see what he can do to take care of me. he's first going to try and see what he can do for the a2000 (ill prob most likely still have to pay a few bucks) as well as the recently discontinued XBR's (obviously a great set). either way, i no longer will have the 960, which sucks. but in the process, hopefully moving up to something a little bigger and nicer.

ProvenFlipper · 12-11-2006, 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theknub

good news so far. i voiced my concerns on friday to my dealer. essentially, i told them the 970 isn't as good of a set (which they agreed with) and that the e2000 has not as nice of a picture resolution. so, my guy is going to see what he can do to take care of me. he's first going to try and see what he can do for the a2000 (ill prob most likely still have to pay a few bucks) as well as the recently discontinued XBR's (obviously a great set). either way, i no longer will have the 960, which sucks. but in the process, hopefully moving up to something a little bigger and nicer.

Nice to hear... Hopefully they'll get you into an a2000 for a good price. Keep us updated.

theknub · 12-11-2006, 01:18 AM

hehe, believe me. hopefully i'll be bragging and you guys will be the first to know.

theknub · 12-13-2006, 09:49 PM

well, just heard from my dealer. sadly, he's doing all he can but can't do much more than he offered. so, i may be "stuck" with the e2000. still a great set, but not tremendous. i still save $600 over the a2000 though so prob worth while.

JTK · 12-13-2006, 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theknub

well, just heard from my dealer. sadly, he's doing all he can but can't do much more than he offered. so, i may be "stuck" with the e2000. still a great set, but not tremendous. i still save $600 over the a2000 though so prob worth while.

I doubt you'll be displeased in the end.

theknub · 12-13-2006, 11:07 PM

i get that feeling too... the problem (as with all of us) is having the money to support our habits. we know X is better than Y, so we want X even if Y is perfectly acceptable.

theknub · 01-09-2007, 06:41 AM

ok, kids... so the follow up post

jtk, the e2000 easily equals our old sets. i know how much u love that 200 lb piece, but the picture is of absolutely no disappointment. blacks are maybe a SHADE grey, but we're talking (maybe) a tad off. i haven't calibrated the set yet either though (anyone have recommended settings?). i did end up with the 50" and am glad i spent the money on it. yes, the a2000 would have been great, but damn. im not sure how it could be a whole hell of a lot better

12-06-2006, 11:51 PM	#1
theknub Blu-ray Guru Member since:May 2006	that old TV question hey guys... well the TV i have in my sig developed a bad tube and yoke (or at least what it sounded like my tech said). anyway, so it boils down to two options. my store will replace my tv with the new 970 model or will give me $1,000 credit to a new set. now, my current set is about a year and i paid $1,600 for it. obviously, i don't want to spend a whole lot on a new set since my current set is so recent. however, if i do get something new i want it to be a quality set. i haven't done much shopping or anything like that but i have been looking at the kdf-50e2000 and the kdf-50a2000. aside from 1080p, any significant differences between the two? any other recommendations out there? thanks

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12-07-2006, 12:37 AM	#2
JTK Blu-ray Knight Member since:Jan 2006 Location:www.blurayoasis.com	An ISF Calibrator could fix that problem in your great set for maybe a couple of hundred bucks or so, tops, if you really want to keep it. http://www.hdtvbychadb.com/ <- This was the one who did mine. I don't know where you live and if he covers your area or not. He's amazed me at where he's ended up. If you want, fill out his form and send it in. It's non binding and he'll get back to you and you guys can hash it out and see if that's the way you want to go. Chad is a super great guy and he charges as low as you're ever going to see for all that kind of work. http://www.imagingscience.com/isf-trained.cfm ^^ Otherwise use this. The 970 is a rebadged HS420. It's a nice TV but it does NOT have the Super Fine Pitch Tube, which means adios to roughly 40 percent of that great resolution you've been spoiled by. It doesn't deserve to be called an XBR set. If you want to leave the realm of CRT tube land, I guess this is as good a time as any, if you can afford it. The a2000 or its XBR bretheren are probably your best choices all the way around.

12-07-2006, 01:25 PM	#5
JTK Blu-ray Knight Member since:Jan 2006 Location:www.blurayoasis.com	"e" = LCD "a" = SXRD/LCOS. "a" all the way or pick its XBR2 or XBR3 brother if they offer it at the size and price you want.

12-07-2006, 02:02 PM	#6
theknub Blu-ray Guru Member since:May 2006	well as you know, the xbr displays are one or two more dollars. so, that is definitely out of the question. as for "e" being for LCD... isn't lcos technology being used it is a 3 lcd technology (sticker on the TV also mentioned it) i agree "a" is the way to go... but if i can save 500-600 buying the "e" that may be the route i take just because of my current financial situation

12-07-2006, 03:05 PM	#8
ay221 Special Member Member since:Oct 2006	It's a shame your tv would break with just a year in. Are DLP rear projections bottom of the barrel now?

12-10-2006, 04:42 PM	#10
theknub Blu-ray Guru Member since:May 2006	good news so far. i voiced my concerns on friday to my dealer. essentially, i told them the 970 isn't as good of a set (which they agreed with) and that the e2000 has not as nice of a picture resolution. so, my guy is going to see what he can do to take care of me. he's first going to try and see what he can do for the a2000 (ill prob most likely still have to pay a few bucks) as well as the recently discontinued XBR's (obviously a great set). either way, i no longer will have the 960, which sucks. but in the process, hopefully moving up to something a little bigger and nicer.

12-11-2006, 01:18 AM	#12
theknub Blu-ray Guru Member since:May 2006	hehe, believe me. hopefully i'll be bragging and you guys will be the first to know.

12-13-2006, 09:49 PM	#13
theknub Blu-ray Guru Member since:May 2006	well, just heard from my dealer. sadly, he's doing all he can but can't do much more than he offered. so, i may be "stuck" with the e2000. still a great set, but not tremendous. i still save $600 over the a2000 though so prob worth while.

12-13-2006, 11:07 PM	#15
theknub Blu-ray Guru Member since:May 2006	i get that feeling too... the problem (as with all of us) is having the money to support our habits. we know X is better than Y, so we want X even if Y is perfectly acceptable.

01-09-2007, 06:41 AM	#16
theknub Blu-ray Guru Member since:May 2006	ok, kids... so the follow up post jtk, the e2000 easily equals our old sets. i know how much u love that 200 lb piece, but the picture is of absolutely no disappointment. blacks are maybe a SHADE grey, but we're talking (maybe) a tad off. i haven't calibrated the set yet either though (anyone have recommended settings?). i did end up with the 50" and am glad i spent the money on it. yes, the a2000 would have been great, but damn. im not sure how it could be a whole hell of a lot better

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