What in the hell is the deal?! (music BD)

[AlexKx]

What in the hell is the deal? For the last few years I have said how the music industry need to adopt Blu-Ray as a new format and NOT as just some film release format. I was asking for ANY information and what you all thought about it. Up, down, time after time, and again and again I was demonized saying how horrible of an idea this was that would NEVER work. Now Neil Young does it and he is the messiah?

[Mikeblu]

Originally Posted by AlexKx

What in the hell is the deal? For the last few years I have said how the music industry need to adopt Blu-Ray as a new format and NOT as just some film release format. I was asking for ANY information and what you all thought about it. Up, down, time after time, and again and again I was demonized saying how horrible of an idea this was that would NEVER work. Now Neil Young does it and he is the messiah?

well it could work, but SACD/ dvd-A failed but that was mainly cos of a format war so if they make BD-A work with current players it could work

[BStecke]

Do you want a cookie?

[Blu Titan]

FORGET about Blu-ray for music!

[NutsAboutPS3]

Originally Posted by AlexKx

What in the hell is the deal? For the last few years I have said how the music industry need to adopt Blu-Ray as a new format and NOT as just some film release format. I was asking for ANY information and what you all thought about it. Up, down, time after time, and again and again I was demonized saying how horrible of an idea this was that would NEVER work. Now Neil Young does it and he is the messiah?

There have been several threads I've seen where many people have been in favour of using Blu-ray for audio. It makes perfect sense to me, the problem with DVDA and SACD was that they gave up on it before the technology was in people's homes. Blu-ray players are going to end up in a lot of homes, so there will be a large potential market for audio on Blu-ray just waiting to be tapped. They do need to package it appropriately, though, IMO they need to include a CD either via a double sided disc, or make all releases 2 disc releases, so people can play it in their car or rip to an ipod as well as listen to the Blu-ray version in their living room.

[Marcusarilius]

Originally Posted by AlexKx

What in the hell is the deal? For the last few years I have said how the music industry need to adopt Blu-Ray as a new format and NOT as just some film release format. I was asking for ANY information and what you all thought about it. Up, down, time after time, and again and again I was demonized saying how horrible of an idea this was that would NEVER work. Now Neil Young does it and he is the messiah?

Tell me you DID get a Patent on that idea?

[Leopold BUTTERS]

plus it's not just that BD music would have to take over CDs it's MP3s as well. For BD to take over the Movie market there is only 1 big thing in the way, DVD. For BD music to take over it has to overcome CDs, and first there is a CD player in ever car from like 1998 not to mention that every DVD player plays CDs as well...so there are like 1 billion CD players out there. There is 0% chance that BD could possibly take it over, and that is without MP3 players, which a lot of vehicles can also use as well now and home CD players and consoles.

[NutsAboutPS3]

Originally Posted by Leopold BUTTERS

For BD music to take over it has to overcome CDs, and first there is a CD player in ever car from like 1998 not to mention that every DVD player plays CDs as well...so there are like 1 billion CD players out there. There is 0% chance that BD could possibly take it over, and that is without MP3 players, which a lot of vehicles can also use as well now and home CD players and consoles.

I'm not sure anyone has ever suggested that BD music could replace other formats, rather that it's a good way to provide the option of buying music in higher quality alongside CDs and MP3s. And as I said, BD music needs to come with a CD packaged in with it somehow, or takeup will be extremely low.

[blu2]

Originally Posted by NutsAboutPS3

I'm not sure anyone has ever suggested that BD music could replace other formats, rather that it's a good way to provide the option of buying music in higher quality alongside CDs and MP3s. And as I said, BD music needs to come with a CD packaged in with it somehow, or takeup will be extremely low.

For now, I'd be happy with more concerts being available on Blu Ray. Including a CD on such releases would be a good idea. That's often done with concerrt DVD releases.

[Sheila]

Originally Posted by Marcusarilius

Tell me you DID get a Patent on that idea?

OK relax is the profanity really necessary ?

[danielpwnz]

Well, to be perfectly honest, dude, Neil Young's opinion means a lot more than yours.

[Lord_Stewie]

BD music. I actually prefer IPOD, when it comes to music. with movies then that would be a whole different discussion. plain and simple wouldn't this drive the costs up. since many people already own IPOD, for both music and music videos. i doubt there will be many to support that idea.

[cajmoyper]

Originally Posted by BStecke

Do you want a cookie?

Seriously, this guy needs to calm down. Oh, I invented the automobile, yet I drive a sub-$25000 car.

[Lord_Stewie]

Originally Posted by BStecke

Do you want a cookie?

lol, well you should offer milk to go with that.

[skootr]

Originally Posted by blu2

For now, I'd be happy with more concerts being available on Blu Ray. Including a CD on such releases would be a good idea. That's often done with concerrt DVD releases.

+1

[doctorsteve]

Originally Posted by shadblz

lol, well you should offer milk to go with that.

Nah, He'd only cry over that too..

[cregster]

BD music would be wonderful. 5.1 of 24/192 would be fantastic. I have only heard 24/192 music once. The sound was the most lifelike, natural and beautiful I have ever heard coming from speakers. Definitely better than 24/96. At 192k, it totally smooths out. That 192 was only stereo DVD-A.

5.1 and 24/192 would just be heaven.

However, the public has demonstrated that they won't pay more for better music sound quality. Most of the public is like my wife--"that boom box sounds as good as your big stereo." SACD was backward compatible, and it didn't make much headway. It is still around for sure, but will never be more than just jazz and classical. Those listeners care about sound quality in music.

Also, just stereo would be better selling because that is the paradigm for music.

BD music would have to be backward compatible, same price as CD's and same cost to make. Do you think that will ever happen??

Maybe, some years from now when there are many, many BD players all over the place. (even so, there were many, many DVD players everywhere and DVD -A flopped)

It isn't the tech. It isn't the convenience so much. It is the ears of the public. The portability of mp3 is much more important to them than sound quality.

[Bobby Henderson]

If any new optical disc format had a chance of establishing itself as a very serious alternative to standard music CD, Blu-ray is it.

Blu-ray has all the capability to deliver the same kind of "next generation" high end audio quality that DVD-A or SACD could deliver. But Blu-ray can do a lot more than DVD-A or SACD.

I think that's the real thing that ultimately limited DVD-A and SACD. Both were single purpose formats. They were for music only. The players only played music. The only DVD-A and SACD players that sold well at all were those that also functioned as DVD Video players.

With Blu-ray, you can get next generation high res audio and 1080p video all on the same disc.

As Blu-ray continues to improve in sales that will create a huge install base of players that can handle next generation audio. I think we'll finally see a growing number of music acts actually take advantage of the capability rather than a limited few progressive acts like Nine Inch Nails.

[CAB]

Originally Posted by AlexKx

What in the hell is the deal? For the last few years I have said how the music industry need to adopt Blu-Ray as a new format and NOT as just some film release format. I was asking for ANY information and what you all thought about it. Up, down, time after time, and again and again I was demonized saying how horrible of an idea this was that would NEVER work. Now Neil Young does it and he is the messiah?

It's the lossful generation. I refuse to adapt and conform to the this MP3 world. Even the music I encode to my i[fill in the blank] uses a lossless encoder. I refuse to sacrifice quality whenever possible. It is and I am a paradox. I live the life of an audiophile who is hoping for the re-emergence of the 60/80 GB PS3 to resurrect SACD and lossless audio.

Weep for me.

[Ectoplasm]

I own several SACDs.

The problem is that rock music by itself shines through less than classical or jazz does when it comes to lossless audio (and I have a decent Marantz/Paradigm system). Most users out there would need a 5.1 channel system to notice the difference, and the average Joe will feel they wasted their money if it's not a properly-mixed 5.1 channel disc (the 2 channel differences over regular CD are far too subtle to be noticed by the regular consumer). Heck, even I do. I don't buy the 2-channel SACD's at all unless I get them used on a huge discount.

These facts, and the fact that they charged too much for the discs, are why SACD and DVD-A failed. It wasn't the format war.

Although it has a much better start, and more noticeable differences over standard DVD, Blu-ray has the exact same problems to contend with. If the studios/music producers were smart, they would have embraced this technology and used it for copyright control, but with downloads out there, they were too worried about entirely killing-off their CD business anyway. Then there is the fact that people would probably just start recording 2-channel SACD's to .mp3 files and share the anyway.

The #1 issue is PRICE, however. Too many people are just too content with what they have to want to pay what is asked for Blu-ray, and if prices are high, then almost nobody will want it.

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