24fps? - Blu-ray Forum

BearAddict · 12-21-2008, 04:58 PM

I am trying to set up my new Blu-ray player - how do I know if my TV has a 24fps refresh rate? I have looked through my user manual but I see no mention of fps. I currently have a Pioneer Elite Plama PRO-1140HD display. Is it safe to assume that if they don't call it out in the manual that it does not support it?

crackinhedz · 12-21-2008, 05:00 PM

Sticky: Displays that support 1080p/24 signal at multiplies of the original frame rate

crackinhedz · 12-21-2008, 05:01 PM

sorry, I don't see it.

...the Pioneer website says it accepts 24fps. As for displaying it correctly? ...im trying to read the manual as we speak.

crackinhedz · 12-21-2008, 05:07 PM

sorry, the user manual is non specific whether it will do a 3:3 pulldown or not.

crackinhedz · 12-21-2008, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BearAddict

I have looked through my user manual but I see no mention of fps.

the manual uses the term 24 Hz instead of 24 fps.

HDTV1080P · 12-21-2008, 05:21 PM

All Pioneer displays every made including the 720P (768P) models that include a 1080P/24 feature will refresh the image on the screen at 72HZ. Now the 720P(768P) models will donconvert the image from 1080P/24 and display the image a 720P (768P) at 72HZ.

HDTV1080P · 12-21-2008, 05:34 PM

The Pioneer PRO-1140HD is not on the list since only 1920 X 1080P models are placed on the list. The PRO-1140HD is a 1365 X 768P pixel display which qualifies it as a 720P or slightly better then 720P. Still according to reviews the 720P (768P) Pioneers have a over all better picture quality when compared to most other 1080P models on the market do to the deep blacks and contrast ratio that adds contrast detail instead of resoultion detail. On page 117 of the manual lists the resolution and on page 59 list the 72HZ refresh rate. The Pioneer should automatically display 1080P/24 signals at 720P (768P) at 72HZ refresh rate regardless of menu settings. In order to do a reverse 3:2 pulldown for 60HZ film based material like DVD,cable, and satellite movies one needs to switch the Pioneer to the advanced mode like it is mentioned on page 59 of the manual.

crackinhedz · 12-21-2008, 05:41 PM

good info HDTV1080P

BIGMERF · 12-21-2008, 05:42 PM

is 24fps really worth it? it really has mee thinkinf of getting a new tv

crackinhedz · 12-21-2008, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIGMERF

is 24fps really worth it? it really has mee thinkinf of getting a new tv

...its not really a deal maker/breaker for me...Ive enjoyed movies @ 60Hz for the last 20 years!

But I guess for some, it might be worth it.

BearAddict · 12-21-2008, 11:50 PM

Thanks...this is great information. I appreciate the detailed response, even including page numbers! This is very helpful for a newbie like myself.

aqupunk · 12-22-2008, 12:28 AM

I tried 24 frames and overall I wasn't impressed. It seemed to make more artifacts and looked unatural. Definitly pass, 24 was designed to sell more tvs and players but ultimately it sucks!

Haters now chime in......

Chevypower · 12-22-2008, 12:44 AM

Did your TV have a true 24fps display with 120hz? Seems to be the only way to see it without any sort of pulldown. I look forward to movies being filmed with a higher frame rate, but just like enjoying watching films in their original aspect ratio, I also enjoy native frame rate.

aqupunk · 12-22-2008, 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chevypower

Did your TV have a true 24fps display with 120hz? Seems to be the only way to see it without any sort of pulldown. I look forward to movies being filmed with a higher frame rate, but just like enjoying watching films in their original aspect ratio, I also enjoy native frame rate.

If your talking to me yes my sony does 24 and is 120hz as does my blu ray player.

crackinhedz · 12-22-2008, 01:52 AM

I think with Sony's you should turn Motion Enhancer off.

aqupunk · 12-22-2008, 02:38 AM

Naw I have all the cheezy extras off on my tv, no motion enhancer or anything else.

jsteinhauer · 12-22-2008, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aqupunk

I tried 24 frames and overall I wasn't impressed. It seemed to make more artifacts and looked unatural. Definitly pass, 24 was designed to sell more tvs and players but ultimately it sucks!

Haters now chime in......

I don't know what you are calling an artifact. Anything other than 24p with 2:2, 3:3, 4:4, 5:5, etc. pulldown would be an artifact. Perhaps you just don't like the natural flicker (not a true judder) associated with 24p sources?

fuland123 · 12-23-2008, 04:30 AM

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12-21-2008, 04:58 PM	#1
BearAddict Junior Member Member since:Dec 2008 Blu-ray collection:13	24fps? I am trying to set up my new Blu-ray player - how do I know if my TV has a 24fps refresh rate? I have looked through my user manual but I see no mention of fps. I currently have a Pioneer Elite Plama PRO-1140HD display. Is it safe to assume that if they don't call it out in the manual that it does not support it?

12-21-2008, 05:01 PM	#3
crackinhedz Super Moderator Member since:Feb 2007 Home Theater Gallery:10 Blu-ray reviews:8 Trading Score:19	sorry, I don't see it. ...the Pioneer website says it accepts 24fps. As for displaying it correctly? ...im trying to read the manual as we speak. Last edited by crackinhedz; 12-21-2008 at 05:03 PM.

12-21-2008, 05:21 PM	#6
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	All Pioneer displays every made including the 720P (768P) models that include a 1080P/24 feature will refresh the image on the screen at 72HZ. Now the 720P(768P) models will donconvert the image from 1080P/24 and display the image a 720P (768P) at 72HZ. Last edited by HDTV1080P; 12-21-2008 at 05:35 PM.

12-21-2008, 05:34 PM	#7
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	The Pioneer PRO-1140HD is not on the list since only 1920 X 1080P models are placed on the list. The PRO-1140HD is a 1365 X 768P pixel display which qualifies it as a 720P or slightly better then 720P. Still according to reviews the 720P (768P) Pioneers have a over all better picture quality when compared to most other 1080P models on the market do to the deep blacks and contrast ratio that adds contrast detail instead of resoultion detail. On page 117 of the manual lists the resolution and on page 59 list the 72HZ refresh rate. The Pioneer should automatically display 1080P/24 signals at 720P (768P) at 72HZ refresh rate regardless of menu settings. In order to do a reverse 3:2 pulldown for 60HZ film based material like DVD,cable, and satellite movies one needs to switch the Pioneer to the advanced mode like it is mentioned on page 59 of the manual. Last edited by HDTV1080P; 12-21-2008 at 05:41 PM.

12-21-2008, 11:50 PM	#11
BearAddict Junior Member Member since:Dec 2008 Blu-ray collection:13	Thanks Thanks...this is great information. I appreciate the detailed response, even including page numbers! This is very helpful for a newbie like myself.

12-21-2008, 05:00 PM	#2
crackinhedz Super Moderator Member since:Feb 2007 Home Theater Gallery:10 Blu-ray reviews:8 Trading Score:19	Sticky: Displays that support 1080p/24 signal at multiplies of the original frame rate

12-21-2008, 05:07 PM	#4
crackinhedz Super Moderator Member since:Feb 2007 Home Theater Gallery:10 Blu-ray reviews:8 Trading Score:19	sorry, the user manual is non specific whether it will do a 3:3 pulldown or not.

12-21-2008, 05:41 PM	#8
crackinhedz Super Moderator Member since:Feb 2007 Home Theater Gallery:10 Blu-ray reviews:8 Trading Score:19	good info HDTV1080P

12-21-2008, 05:42 PM	#9
BIGMERF Active Member Member since:Dec 2008 Home Theater Gallery:1 Blu-ray collection:31	is 24fps really worth it? it really has mee thinkinf of getting a new tv

12-22-2008, 12:28 AM	#12
aqupunk Expert Member Member since:Jun 2007 Home Theater Gallery:2 4K collection:54 Blu-ray collection:246 Trading Score:1	I tried 24 frames and overall I wasn't impressed. It seemed to make more artifacts and looked unatural. Definitly pass, 24 was designed to sell more tvs and players but ultimately it sucks! Haters now chime in......

12-22-2008, 12:44 AM	#13
Chevypower Special Member Member since:Feb 2008	Did your TV have a true 24fps display with 120hz? Seems to be the only way to see it without any sort of pulldown. I look forward to movies being filmed with a higher frame rate, but just like enjoying watching films in their original aspect ratio, I also enjoy native frame rate.

12-22-2008, 01:52 AM	#15
crackinhedz Super Moderator Member since:Feb 2007 Home Theater Gallery:10 Blu-ray reviews:8 Trading Score:19	I think with Sony's you should turn Motion Enhancer off.

12-22-2008, 02:38 AM	#16
aqupunk Expert Member Member since:Jun 2007 Home Theater Gallery:2 4K collection:54 Blu-ray collection:246 Trading Score:1	Naw I have all the cheezy extras off on my tv, no motion enhancer or anything else.

12-23-2008, 04:30 AM	#18
fuland123 Banned Member since:Dec 2008	I'm new studying

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