Onkyo - HDMI Cable Length Question

[cathexist]

Ok, here's a problem that I recently found out with my current receiver: Apparently, if you HDMI cable is over 15 feet long, it won't work...

So, I've been looking at Onkyo receivers, does anyone know if the length of the cable will be a problem with any of them? I was looking at a 606 specifically. My HDMI cable is...40ft long (it's run through the attic).

[DavidAg02]

Never heard of that before, but then again... I've never needed to use an HDMI cable longer than about 8 Ft.

If it's true then you could get an HDMI extender:
http://www.firefold.com/HDMI-Extende...P1425C494.aspx

Or if you really wanted to get fancy you could get an HDMI over CAT5E converter.
http://www.firefold.com/HDMI-over-CA...P3542C494.aspx

[Crypter]

you could try one of these

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

[aramis109]

15ft shouldn't be any kind of issue. With 40ft you may need to look into the repeater options. Is your cable not working, or is this just something you read? I would give it a try as it may very well work without any kind of signal booster.

[Steve]

Here's the link to a write-up testing long HDMI cable runs. According to this, length definitely plays an important factor with HDMI. You should check it out. Some cables perform better at longer runs, whereas all cables are about the same at "regular" length runs.

http://www.audioholics.com/education...le-bench-tests

[Audiophile_At_Birth]

Interesting thread. I would assume as with anything you would get some signal degredation with a long cable run. But I had in mind cable runs over 50'.

[mtbkr]

this is from "wiki" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI ....Cable length
The HDMI specification does not define a maximum cable length, but because of signal attenuation there is an upper limit to how long HDMI cables can be made.[56] The length of an HDMI cable depends on the construction quality and the materials used in the cable.[56] Adaptive equalization can be used to compensate for the signal attenuation and intersymbol interference caused by long cables.
To reduce the confusion about which cables support which video formats, HDMI 1.3 defines two categories of cables: Category 1 certified cables, which have been tested at 74.5 MHz (1080i/720p), and Category 2 certified cables, which have been tested at 340 MHz (1600p).[57] Category 1 HDMI cables are to be marketed as "Standard" HDMI cables, and Category 2 HDMI cables are to be marketed as "High-Speed" HDMI cables.[1] This labeling guideline for HDMI cables went into effect on October 17, 2008.[58][59] Category 1 and 2 cables can either meet the required parameter specifications for inter-pair skew, far-end crosstalk, attenuation, and differential impedance or they can meet the required non-equalized/equalized eye diagram requirements.[57] A cable of about 5 meters (16 ft) can be manufactured to Category 1 specifications easily and inexpensively by using 28 AWG (0.081 mm²) conductors.[56] With better quality construction and materials, including 24 AWG (0.205 mm²) conductors, an HDMI cable can reach lengths of up to 15 meters (49 ft).[56] The HDMI website has stated that many HDMI cables under 5 meters of length that were made before the HDMI 1.3 specification can work as a Category 2 cable but cautions that only Category 2 tested cables are guaranteed to work.[60] Long cable lengths can cause instability of HDCP and blinking on the screen due to the weakened DDC signal which HDCP requires. HDCP DDC signals must be multiplexed with TMDS video signals to be compliant with HDCP requirements for HDMI extenders based on a single Category 5/Category 6 cable.[61][62] Several companies offer amplifiers, equalizers, and repeaters that can string several standard HDMI cables together. Active HDMI cables use electronics within the cable to boost the signal and allow for HDMI cables of up to 30 meters (98 ft).[63] HDMI extenders that are based on dual Category 5/Category 6 cable can extend HDMI to 50 meters (164 ft) while HDMI extenders based on optical fiber can extend HDMI to 100+ meters (328 ft).[56][63]....i have an onkyo receiver and have no hdmi issues, but my hdmi lengths are all 3ft.

[cathexist]

Thanks guys, however I think you missed my question which was specifically about the Onkyo receivers...

I don't care that mine doesn't work, hehe. My PS3 is hooked up directly to my projector using the 40' cable and looks great, it just won't work if I hook it up through my CURRENT receiver. So, as I said, video is going directly to the projector, audio is going through optical to the receiver for now until I can get a better one. I tried to figure out why it doesn't work, messed with settings (it had worked before with a shorter cable), but the manual also said that it may not work with cables over 15'

[blujacket]

I would look at Marantz, Denon, Pioneer & Yamaha receivers. Too many quality issues with Onkyo.

[mustang-gt-2002]

I'm old school and I would only use monster for all my cables. back before I got my PS3 on Nov. 17, 2006 I wanted the best cable they had at the time. so two months before the release of the PS3. I payed $300 for two 6' 1000HD HDMI monster cables. now after seeing all the posts about how HDMI cable are all the same I finally listened to them. and will not buy a over priced cable again.

now I needed a 25' HDMI cable to go from the PS3 in the bedroom. to the livingroom so I didnt have to move it anymore. looked at monoprice.com good pirce but still to much. I wanted the cheapest thing out there. so I want to Amazon.com looked at all the 25' HDMI cables and found it. 25' 28AWG HDMI 1080p 1.3 for $10.00 without shipping (shipping was $5.00). and works great. from now on I will buy the cheapest cables I can find.

so any cable will work. the end

[cathexist]

Originally Posted by blujacket

I would look at Marantz, Denon, Pioneer & Yamaha receivers. Too many quality issues with Onkyo.

I haven't heard any quality issues with Onkyo, what type of quality issues?

(cause if there are any, then I'll look at getting a Yamaha)

[cathexist]

Originally Posted by mustang-gt-2002

I'm old school and I would only use monster for all my cables. back before I got my PS3 on Nov. 17, 2006 I wanted the best cable they had at the time. so two months before the release of the PS3. I payed $300 for two 6' 1000HD HDMI monster cables. now after seeing all the posts about how HDMI cable are all the same I finally listened to them. and will not buy a over priced cable again.

now I needed a 25' HDMI cable to go from the PS3 in the bedroom. to the livingroom so I didnt have to move it anymore. looked at monoprice.com good pirce but still to much. I wanted the cheapest thing out there. so I want to Amazon.com looked at all the 25' HDMI cables and found it. 25' 28AWG HDMI 1080p 1.3 for $10.00 without shipping (shipping was $5.00). and works great. from now on I will buy the cheapest cables I can find.

so any cable will work. the end

Not sure what this had to do with the question...but ok

I KNOW it's NOT a cable problem since my projector works perfectly hooked directly up to the PS3.

I actually got all my cables at monoprice. In-wall speaker wire, all very reasonably priced...got a couple shorter HDMI cables as well for hooking up all my components, but until I have a receiver that's not a piece of crap, I have to stick with how it's set up now...

[mustang-gt-2002]

I know I'm biased but I would go with YAMAHA's new models

what YAMAHA speakers do you have cathexist

[Grevlin]

Quick one:

If I need an hdmi cable of exactly 50' ($100 at monoprice) do I need one of those little repeaters as well?? Or is 50' ok by itself?

[mtbkr]

i would think that 50' feet would be ok by its self as long as you pick up one that is of decent quality. i believe that you may start running into problems if you were to go stupid lengths which is not your case. and as far as the onkyo receivers have to many problems, i haven't had ANY that i could not troubleshoot on my own. also whatever receiver you decide on be sure to comb the webernet for the latest firmware upgrades for that specific model.

[blujacket]

Originally Posted by Grevlin

Quick one:

If I need an hdmi cable of exactly 50' ($100 at monoprice) do I need one of those little repeaters as well?? Or is 50' ok by itself?

50' is $53.55

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

[aramis109]

Originally Posted by cathexist

Thanks guys, however I think you missed my question which was specifically about the Onkyo receivers...

I don't care that mine doesn't work, hehe. My PS3 is hooked up directly to my projector using the 40' cable and looks great, it just won't work if I hook it up through my CURRENT receiver. So, as I said, video is going directly to the projector, audio is going through optical to the receiver for now until I can get a better one. I tried to figure out why it doesn't work, messed with settings (it had worked before with a shorter cable), but the manual also said that it may not work with cables over 15'

I don't think anyone missed it, I can't see where there would be an issue. Obviously there is, but I'd maybe try another HDMI input or cable (yeah, I know- 40ft cables are easy to come by).

Originally Posted by blujacket

I would look at Marantz, Denon, Pioneer & Yamaha receivers. Too many quality issues with Onkyo.

This is just ridiculous. I could just as easily point to the issues that some members have been having with Marantz and drop a blanket statement that all Marantz receivers have too many problems.

[cathexist]

Originally Posted by aramis109

I don't think anyone missed it, I can't see where there would be an issue. Obviously there is, but I'd maybe try another HDMI input or cable (yeah, I know- 40ft cables are easy to come by).

The cable is works perfectly though, just not with the receiver.

So let's clarify again: Has anyone who currently owns an Onkyo receiver, and also uses a span of 40+ feet of HDMI cable have any problems?

[blujacket]

Originally Posted by aramis109

This is just ridiculous. I could just as easily point to the issues that some members have been having with Marantz and drop a blanket statement that all Marantz receivers have too many problems.

IMO, Is that better, Sir?

[Grevlin]

Originally Posted by blujacket

50' is $53.55

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

Even better- thanks