Blade Runner 4K UHD (1982)

[dallywhitty]

Originally Posted by captainsolo

2049 just felt like it had some BR trappings applied. It’s way too long, had little Hampton Fancher and no David Peeples involvement, no Scott and so it really isn’t in the same universe.

Fancher wrote the screenplay, though, with Sir Ridders working alongside him. There were rewrites done, of course, but then that's just history repeating itself.

[CreasyBear]

Ebert said that no bad movie is ever short enough and no good movie is ever long enough. 2049...I could have watched two more hours of that shit. It's so good.

[Phillip c. Niethe]

Originally Posted by CreasyBear

Ebert said that no bad movie is ever short enough and no good movie is ever long enough. 2049...I could have watched two more hours of that shit. It's so good.

I don’t know what you would call it or if it would be marketable for many movies but if ever they scanned and put on physical media all the unused scenes & alternate takes for 2049 on Blu-ray, I for one would happily pay for that multi-disc box set…as Well as the original for that matter

[captainsolo]

Originally Posted by dallywhitty

Fancher wrote the screenplay, though, with Sir Ridders working alongside him. There were rewrites done, of course, but then that's just history repeating itself.

That’s right isn’t it. I had forgotten he has a co-writing credit. I’d love to read the drafts someday to see if there are any differences. I’ve wondered about how the process went and how/why or exactly when Scott decided to just executive produce. I know the official story was scheduling commitments but later he said it was too long and some of the story concepts were his. It could be that I just miss the tone that David Peeples had brought that beautifully contrasted with Fancher’s style. I do think it was a mistake to not have the other original writer involved in some capacity.

I don’t think 2049 is bad and the bones of a solid story are in there. I just didn’t think it worked and if you had taken the name off and removed Deckard it could have been another modern sci-fi film. I know many loved it but it just didn’t do anything for me. In fact I felt like the 1982 critics saying BR was emotionless and unengaging should’ve been talking about 2049.
That’s just my two cents. Admittedly I’m not into Villeneuve’s films and thought the Zimmer “score” was painfully dull.

Well doggone it you’ve got me pondering over 2049 again. I did way too much of that when it came out so maybe it’s time to mull over it again.

[CreasyBear]

Fancher is the original writer.

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by captainsolo

I don’t think 2049 is bad and the bones of a solid story are in there. I just didn’t think it worked and if you had taken the name off and removed Deckard it could have been another modern sci-fi film. I know many loved it but it just didn’t do anything for me.

It did not do anything for me, either, and I really wanted it to. Badly.

But you raise a point I hadn't thought of before - if you changed the name and took off Deckard, would that have made it a better film? I think I would have liked it better as an original concept. As a sequel to BR, it just doesn't quite match the vision of the original. Not in terms of the story, or the production design.

[philthehip]

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

It did not do anything for me, either, and I really wanted it to. Badly.

But you raise a point I hadn't thought of before - if you changed the name and took off Deckard, would that have made it a better film? I think I would have liked it better as an original concept. As a sequel to BR, it just doesn't quite match the vision of the original. Not in terms of the story, or the production design.

I loved BR2049 but I very much see that point. I felt exactly this way about Prometheus. If it had not been stitched to Alien then I think I would rank it among my favourite modern movies.

[Phillip c. Niethe]

I’m going to call it and say that Villeneuve did such a great job that Bladerunner 2049 will find itself ranked on the greatest sci-fi films of all time list right up there with the original and Alien in the top 10, 30 years from now…well, as long as the Apocalypse doesn’t take place in the next 10 years

[DaylightsEnd]

The first time I saw BR 2049, I had received it in a Netflix dvd mailer. I watched it half-heartedly on a 42" LG and didn't give it my full attention. Not sure what I was expecting, but I simply couldn't connect with it and found it somewhat cold, dull and uninspired.

A few months later, I was in a Target store, and they were blowing out the BR 2049 4k uhd for a paltry $10. I brought the 4k home, and watched it one evening in my theater room on my 75" oled and full atmos system. I was utterly captivated, fully immersed, and blown away. It was one of the best sci fi film experiences I'd had in YEARS. It simply clicked for me, like a light bulb going off. I was thrilled and amazed. I watched that disc three more times in the next two weeks, and it was more enthralling with each subsequent viewing. I can't for the life of me imagine where my brain was at when I first scanned it on dvd and found it unappealing. I like it so much, I even imported the UK 4k disc a few weeks later, on reports of a slightly superior encode. Cracking good sci fi.

[Warm Gun]

And also about the mistake of bringing Deckard/Harrison Ford back... Those couple of lines about him being a replicant or not by Jared Leto's bizarre character are so forced and fourth wall. Like a question straight to the viewer, rather than one that would have come naturally from the events and him being a third person.

[WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW]

Originally Posted by captainsolo

2049 just felt like it had some BR trappings applied. It’s way too long, had little Hampton Fancher and no David Peeples involvement, no Scott and so it really isn’t in the same universe. You do get a sort of version of BR’s orignal farmhouse opening and if Ford hadn’t appeared I wouldn’t ever think of it again.
I really hated the story they came up with for what happened after the original in their version.
The one great scene for me and one that was emotional, profound, pure sci-fi and I think supposedly from Fancher was the

[Show spoiler]scene where Joi tried to finally physically connect with K and has to use a physical stand-in.

Scott was kinda heavily involved, he kinda came up with the outline for BR2049.

[happydood]

Originally Posted by Phillip c. Niethe

I’m going to call it and say that Villeneuve did such a great job that Bladerunner 2049 will find itself ranked on the greatest sci-fi films of all time list right up there with the original and Alien in the top 10, 30 years from now…well, as long as the Apocalypse doesn’t take place in the next 10 years

I like the movie fine even though I don't think I needed it. I'm more inclined to think that in 30 years time it'll be looked at as one of the last Harrison Ford movies rather than as a groundbreaking sci-fi vision or as a Denis Villuaneve film. I don't know how I feel about that, but they brought that baggage on when they built the story around Deckard's part in it.

[BluBonnet]

In 30 years' time it could also be regarded as a footnote in Ford's career. We just don't know what to expect. The first movie seemed destined to be forgotten shortly after it had been shown in theaters.

[CarlosSpicyWiener]

I bought a copy of this, but waited 2 months to watch it. When I did, I was dismayed to see that there are 3 spots where the audio and video cuts out, and I have to forward past the blurb. There are no smudges or scratches on the disk. Since I waited 2 months, I can no longer return it to BB. I have googled to see if this is an issue with this release, but have not found anything. Has anything been reported in this thread regarding known issues with this release?

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

In 30 years' time it could also be regarded as a footnote in Ford's career. We just don't know what to expect. The first movie seemed destined to be forgotten shortly after it had been shown in theaters.

Ford's a bit player here really, it's Gosling's movie.

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Ford's a bit player here really, it's Gosling's movie.

Couldn't agree with you more there. But in the long run Ford's career might be the one that leaves the biggest legacy.

[moreorless]

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

It did not do anything for me, either, and I really wanted it to. Badly.

But you raise a point I hadn't thought of before - if you changed the name and took off Deckard, would that have made it a better film? I think I would have liked it better as an original concept. As a sequel to BR, it just doesn't quite match the vision of the original. Not in terms of the story, or the production design.

I would say though that visually I think it benefited from being a Blade Runner sequel, even a smaller scale film without the larger Deckard/Rachael plot I think would have benefited from having that visual input.

Generally I find DV films fall back a little too much to washed out minialism for my taste, having a bit of Blade Runner mixed into that I thought made this quite a lot more appealing.

[50strat54]

Originally Posted by Phillip c. Niethe

I’m going to call it and say that Villeneuve did such a great job that Bladerunner 2049 will find itself ranked on the greatest sci-fi films of all time list right up there with the original and Alien in the top 10, 30 years from now…well, as long as the Apocalypse doesn’t take place in the next 10 years

I'll put my money on no.

This film is not even in the same league as the original Blade Runner.

It's like comparing AvP Requiem to Alien or Aliens. Not even a contest here.

BUT...that's just my opinion and my money.

[CreasyBear]

Originally Posted by 50strat54

I'll put my money on no.

This film is not even in the same league as the original Blade Runner.

It's like comparing AvP Requiem to Alien or Aliens. Not even a contest here.

BUT...that's just my opinion and my money.

ffs

[suspiciouscoffee]

Nice try sneaking Aliens in there with Alien. If anything comparing Aliens to Alien is the more apt analogy for 2049 and Blade Runner, different enough that not everyone vibes with it, granted. Mentioning AvP Requiem in the same breath as 2049 just proves you to be unserious.