Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by chip75

Come to think of it why did Owen and Beru tell him he was adopted in the first place? Maybe he wouldn't have felt so isolated if he though he was their son....

Luke calls him Uncle Owen because, well, he's his uncle. (Owen is Anakin's stepbrother-in-law thru Cliegg's marriage to Shmi). In the script for Jedi, Ben is specifically referenced as being Owen's brother, which brings me nicely back to my point about Lucas winging it all these years.

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by chip75

Come to think of it why did Owen and Beru tell him he was adopted in the first place? Maybe he wouldn't have felt so isolated if he though he was their son....

Almost all adoptive parents, related or not, tell their adopted children the truth. The consequences of deception, however well intentioned, are usually much worse when the truth is eventually uncovered.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Uxi

Almost all adoptive parents, related or not, tell their adopted children the truth. The consequences of deception, however well intentioned, are usually much worse when the truth is eventually uncovered.

Yeah, Luke might have actually turned to the Dark Side if that would have happened.

[Gaius Marius]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

I find Menace to be the most watchable of the pre's (despite Jar Jar), and Clones to be next to unwatchable. I really liked Liam Neeson as a Jedi, think Duel of the Fates is the best SW music since The Imperial March, and totally digged the lightsaber fight at the end.

For me, it goes:

Empire
New Hope
Jedi
Menace
Sith
Clones

My order (and reasoning), exactly I really like TPM (despite Jar Jar and some of the 'dumb humor' moments) as it feels the most like the OT and has the best lightsaber sequence (not to mention Duel of the Fates is awesome!) in all 6 movies. AotC is horrible. A love story with no chemistry. There is no way Anakin and Padme should have fallen in love based on the story (unless Anakin employed some Jedi mind trick on her ). Sith would have been awesome (it is still and enjoyable movie) if it weren't for the plot holes/inconsistencies with the OT and a lack-luster battle between Obi-Wan and Anakin (should have been more personal and emotional. There was too much going on where I didn't feel that in the fight).

However, I enjoy the PT overall. They are nowhere near as good as the OT, but they aren't unredeemable pieces of garbage as some claim. I also do not mind the SEs. Again, there are things I like (Cloud City, scenes with Biggs in ANH) and things I hate (Greedo being the worst shot in the galaxy and the redundant Jabba scene in ANH). I still love the OOT (as it is what I grew up watching), though I can live with the SE. I just hope that the OOT is remastered as well from a historical perspective. The "workprints" were revolutionary films, and it would be a shame to lose them completely.

One the "workprint" nonsense: Blade Runner had a "workprint" cut on its BD release, so why not Star Wars

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Uxi

Almost all adoptive parents, related or not, tell their adopted children the truth. The consequences of deception, however well intentioned, are usually much worse when the truth is eventually uncovered.

Originally Posted by Beast

Yeah, Luke might have actually turned to the Dark Side if that would have happened.

True. And I don't think wanted to turn A New Hope into that kind of film. But the fact remains Luke always had the fantasy of his father in his mind which didn't ground him to life as a moisture farmer. Some times the 'what ifs?' are more trouble than a lie.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

The RLM reviews are interesting. I mean, I skip through the dumb crap like the bits of his basement or whatever. Not interested in seeing his "character" (is he supposed to be Buffalo Bill or something?) at all, but the other portions of his reviews are awesome. For example, in part 9 of the AOTC review there's a serious "Yoda montage" that is very effective at getting its message across and there are those funny bits, "Gungas, Gungans!" and "How do you know that? Wait, did you read the script?" It isn't all humor, but even in the serious parts he has funny editing and comments.

His explanations of the lack of drama is spot on. Especially when he compares the duels in the OT to the ones in the PT and some of the high action sequences that could have been better (the speeder chase in AOTC is a great example).

Calling it "just humor" or saying it's not to be taken seriously is just crapping on the guy's opinion because he happens to be popular. That doesn't seem fair as he is a SW fan expressing his opinions exactly like we all do. But this is typical of people who say things like, "Well you're not a billionaire or a filmmaker or a writer so you're not an authority here!"

Yeah, I agree with most everything here. I really don't care about his weird 'character' that he is playing (known as Mr. Plinket, I believe), and I could do without all of that nonsense (though I do enjoy pizza rolls).

But the reviews and breakdown of the problems are great and insightful (going into a more detailed explanation of how movies typically work, rules that should usually be followed when telling a story, and how the PT didn't follow them as well as the OT did, etc), and I do enjoy the humor injected into the review, itself. Things that the common person (including most PT bashers) just wouldn't have specific knowledge about.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Gaius Marius

One the "workprint" nonsense: Blade Runner had a "workprint" cut on its BD release, so why not Star Wars

The problem is if Lucas gave us a Workprint it would have footage of World War II dogfights in it and not Tie-Fighters and X-Wings. And Chewie and Vader would have strange accents....

[watzcoc]

Originally Posted by STARKILLER--1138

Hard to do when ESB is on; but, thankfully I put on the TV timer to shut the TV off. Otherwise, I would have been in an ESB enduced coma for most of the day.

Recently just found out that our local hospital uses ESB instead of anesthesia to put patients under for surgery. The down side is that it also knocks everyone else out in the room too.

dont be a pratt !!!!!!!!

you really have no clue, i suggest you go and type crap in the star trek forums, no sorry the "battle beyond the stars" forum as you just dont have a clue.

Your one pathetic excuse of a sci fi fan, the best film ever made and all you can do is slag it off!

PRATT

[STARKILLER--1138]

I'm Darth Vader the most feard person in the galaxy...come join me...for dinner...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDxPa2ZuuH0

[kenkraly2004]

I like star wars and all 6 of the films and consider ESB the best of the entire series with ROTS being the best film of the prequel trilogy. But what get's on my nerves is when some fans say they like star wars but sometimes all they do is complain , Mon and gorn about bad the prequel trilogy is and the add on's to the special editions of the OT are bad and where'nt made for the better. The add on's to the special editions of the OT where made for the better and the prequel trilogy is not that bad.

[Geoff D]

What annoys me most about the insipid love story in Clones is that the last couple of reels are the most kick-ass of any of the Star Wars movies. I love seeing the Jedi go to war backed by proto-stormtoopers. It's ****ing cool, end of.

[JamesKurtovich]

Originally Posted by kenkraly2004

I like star wars and all 6 of the films and consider ESB the best of the entire series with ROTS being the best film of the prequel trilogy. But what get's on my nerves is when some fans say they like star wars but sometimes all they do is complain , Mon and gorn about bad the prequel trilogy is and the add on's to the special editions of the OT are bad and where'nt made for the better. The add on's to the special editions of the OT where made for the better and the prequel trilogy is not that bad.

It wouldn't make sense if they didn't call themselves Star Wars fans. The sole reason they are complaining is because they like Star Wars and are disappointed in the decisions that Lucas has made with the changes to the OT and how the PT was handled.

The term "true [insert name here] fan" is completely subjective anyway. Besides, Who wouldn't be a fan if they hang out on an internet forum and discuss it like this which is considered strange by non-SW geeks? Someone who watches the UOT exclusively would probably consider others that watch the "new Star Wars" inferior (fandom-wise) but he'd have to be a real jerk to go around forcing that view on others. Especially on a forum where people should be encouraged to discuss, complain, praise, etc.

[motorheadache95]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

Yeah, I agree with most everything here. I really don't care about his weird 'character' that he is playing (known as Mr. Plinket, I believe), and I could do without all of that nonsense (though I do enjoy pizza rolls).

But the reviews and breakdown of the problems are great and insightful (going into a more detailed explanation of how movies typically work, rules that should usually be followed when telling a story, and how the PT didn't follow them as well as the OT did, etc), and I do enjoy the humor injected into the review, itself. Things that the common person (including most PT bashers) just wouldn't have specific knowledge about.

Personally, I love the entire thing, but I've always thought he should make edited versions that stick to the movie analysis only, which would might open it up to a wider audience.

I feel that those reviews are the definitive and final assessment of the PT, breaking down exactly how they went wrong. The people who are dismissing them have either not seen them or cannot accept that rational arguments against the PT exist. Do you have to agree with everything he says? No, but what these reviews accomplish is to help those of us who didn't like the PT to really look at them and figure out exactly why we didn't find them satisfying. To me and many others, the Prequels are the "biggest disappointments in cinematic history" (to quote Mr. Plinkett), and these reviews really help sort it out and help offer closure on the subject. I think that's why they've become so popular.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Luke calls him Uncle Owen because, well, he's his uncle. (Owen is Anakin's stepbrother-in-law thru Cliegg's marriage to Shmi). In the script for Jedi, Ben is specifically referenced as being Owen's brother, which brings me nicely back to my point about Lucas winging it all these years.

The script or the novelization?

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by motorheadache95

Personally, I love the entire thing, but I've always thought he should make edited versions that stick to the movie analysis only, which would might open it up to a wider audience.

I feel that those reviews are the definitive and final assessment of the PT, breaking down exactly how they went wrong. The people who are dismissing them have either not seen them or cannot accept that rational arguments against the PT exist. Do you have to agree with everything he says? No, but what these reviews accomplish is to help those of us who didn't like the PT to really look at them and figure out exactly why we didn't find them satisfying. To me and many others, the Prequels are the "biggest disappointments in cinematic history" (to quote Mr. Plinkett), and these reviews really help sort it out and help offer closure on the subject. I think that's why they've become so popular.

All very well said.


And the following is directed at Beast:

If nothing else, even if you don't want to watch the entirey of all of the RLM reviews (which would be a very long task as each review is well over an hour long), I would simply suggest going to the RLM website, and checking out the beginning of Part 3 of the Episode III review (it is split up into 3 videos, so choose the 3rd one).

I think there are a few points that the guys makes that you would find interesting and that you might (at least in part) agree with since they actually somewhat echo similar sentiments that you've expressed here in this thread.

For one thing, your previous points about Vader's roll in ANH. Now, while I don't agree with your assessment of the importance of Vader in ANH being the equivalent to that of Boba Fett in ESB (Vader had more screen time and was more important than that), this video does point out how Vader wasn't exactly a 'top dog' and was taking orders from Tarkin, etc. So, in that sense, it's a similar view to what you've had.

You've also complained about how you feel Lucas let the outside world come into play too much in the story of the prequels. The guy makes a similar comment. Now, you may not end up agreeing with his reasoning. In your case, you are upset that Jar-Jar's roll was reduced in Episodes II and III... in the case of the review, that guy is saying that the importance of Anakin/Vader is built up way too much from the get-go and over-emphasized because he is important and famous to us, the audience.

He also actually defends Hayden Christiansen as well.

So, while he still likely holds a lot of views that you won't agree with, the reviews aren't just filled with the typical fan-boy rants like you are assuming they do.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

He also actually defends Hayden Christiansen as well.

I guess you guys aren't kidding about them being funny

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by octagon

I guess you guys aren't kidding about them being funny

He doesn't defend the end performce, just Hayden. He says he did what he could with the material he was given.

[motorheadache95]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

He doesn't defend the end performce, just Hayden. He says he did what he could with the material he was given.

Hayden was good in movies like Shattered Glass. Natalie Portman was also wooden and pretty bad in the PT, yet is now recognized by the Academy. Good job, Lucas!

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by motorheadache95

Hayden was good in movies like Shattered Glass. Natalie Portman was also wooden and pretty bad in the PT, yet is now recognized by the Academy. Good job, Lucas!

Hayden Christensen's best film is Life as a House by far with Kevin Cline. If you haven't seen it I suggest you rent it.

[Chris93ny]

have any of you guys been watching star wars on spike they've show phantom menace and attack of the clones already. this sunday there showing episode 3