Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Stormcrow

I don't particularly like Beast, I just agree with a lot of his views on SW.

Awww. I like you.

As much as one can like someone they have never met other than online. You know what I mean.

[StereoMike]

And I thought I was mean...

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by Diesel

Confirmation

Exactly!

Originally Posted by DetroitSportsFan

It's great to finally get some official word. I'm looking forward to seeing all of the previously unseen footage.

Originally Posted by SirMontyPython

WOW!! All 6 in one package!! They better get 4-6 just perfect in consistency with picture and audio quality!!

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Originally Posted by Gandalf Stormcrow

Yup it's happening to everyone, our love of the saga is waning a bit over time ever since Episode III ended.

Not to me it isn't!

Originally Posted by Bodhi161

Best news I've heard in a long time, Lucas announced the release of Star Wars box set for 2011,can't wait. I'll pre-order once I'm able to do so.

Originally Posted by STARSCREAM

This will be a day long remembered......
Cannot wait to get this box set!

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Originally Posted by in2video2

Blu-Ray will finally come of age 4th QTR of 2011 thanks to Star Wars.

Most definitely!

Originally Posted by Gandalf Stormcrow

Honestly, due to the age of these films and how many people already bought these films multiple times on multiple formats, I doubt these movies will come close to Avatar or Dark Knight sales but you never know.

You are probably right. It won't sell as many copies as Avatar, as it is a catalog title! The holy grail of catalog title, but nevertheless!

Originally Posted by Stereomike

It's nice to have some positiveness in this thread for once...

Agreed! Although, I have "almost" learned to ignore the complaints....

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

I am the type that is "more is better" Since I don't really mind the Special Edition I would not mind more changes in them. I have the original on Laserdisc and DVD when I feel nostalgic

Those who want the original feel just need to dig out their old VHS tapes.

Originally Posted by Duffy12

I am surprised that 'Blue-Yoda' has not posted yet.

He is probably passed out on the floor somewhere after hearing this news.


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Sorry to have kept you waiting like this! I am really busy, so I discovered the news one day late! I couldn't believe my eyes when I read the announcement this morning! Happiest day of my life! Pitiful, eh?!?!?


I've been coming to blu-ray.com everyday for the last 3+ years just for this day - to see this annoucement.

So glad to have the date set.... now we need to wait a year+.

Wonder if I'll wait till then or watch my (dusty) SW DVD set.[/QUOTE]

Fixed it for you! Wait for the Blu-rays. DVD just doesn't do the films justice. It's an insult to SW!

Originally Posted by Jumpman

Beast,

For the last few years, I was also in your camp about not ever releasing them. But, in this last year, I've soften on that. Granted, I still greatly prefer the special editions. But, I'd like to see them on there for no other reason than historical purposes and so the fanbase can finally put this argument, this crux they have against Lucas to bed.

Look at the specs of the DVDs, Star Wars has had some pretty significant special features attached to the films. It seems that this box set will go even further than the DVDs. All that's really missing, for completist sake, is the theatrical versions.

I just want the conversation to change on Star Wars. I think it would change about 90% of the conversation if he did include them.

Hopefully, before Lucas leaves this world, he'll relent and finally include them the right way...because the guy really has done way more good than bad...in my eyes.

I know what you mean. I also want evryone to be happy, but in the real world that's obviously never going to happen, especially not in the case of SW.
I would be embarrassed about the OT too, as they were produced with prototype technology.
Peace, love and good happiness stuff!

Originally Posted by hardcorefrokid

I'm so happy right now.

The vent of a lifetime is approaching!

At least, I don't tend to exaggerate.

BEST BLU-RAY NEWS EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

Sith,

Palpatine convincing Anakin about the plot of the Jedi is not what drove him to make the choice he made.

Anakin was given a choice. Risk losing your wife with the Jedi way or possibly gaining the power to save her Palpatine's way. He specifically said in Episode II at his mother's grave that he "would not fail again."

This is why he made the choice. It ultimately really had nothing to do with Palpatine's or Anakin's feelings towards the Jedi...which were also a factor.

But, the biggest factor out of all the stuff Anakin was dealing with was still Padme.

Anakin's turn to the darkside is not that hard to understand. It doesn't make him irredeemable.

And Palpatine had nothing to do with those dreams. Anakin was having them about his mother in Episode II. Those dreams are a product of Anakin not letting go of his attachments...being too human to be a Jedi.

The thing is his emotions are what fueled his power, without his deep sense of rage and loss he wouldn't have been the Jedi Knight he was. His greatest strength was also his greatest weakness, kind of poetic I guess.

[goldenrod]

Originally Posted by Beast

You kinda missed the point that Palpatine manipulated Anakin, causing Anakin to destroy the things in his life that he loved. It's not like Palpatine personally killed her right in front of him and went "Mwahahahahaha" about it. He put things in motion that led Anakin, to self-fulfill his own vision of Padme dying. It makes perfect sense. And shows just what a manipulative genius Palpy is. Even more so then we saw in RotJ.

He manipulated Anakin no doubt about that. But he is also the guy who trie to have Padmé killed more than once and quite frankly, if you knew that a good friend hire goons to kill your wife would you go all friendly with him and join him like nothing happened?

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Imrahil2001

Great. Maybe you two should get a room then and stop crapping all over anyone whose opinion differs from yours.

It's cute when people who can't measure up in a mature passionate fan discussion have to cry that their opinions are being "crapped upon". It would be a pretty boring forum if all we did was agree about everything and never had a passionate debate about anything. So come on, join the fun discussion that's going on.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by Imrahil2001

Great. Maybe you two should get a room then and stop crapping all over anyone whose opinion differs from yours.

Not trying to crap on anybody, just tired of all the whining about SW I've heard over the last 30 years of my life. Besides, whining about which cut of SW is coming out on blu-ray or who shot first in a cantina on a message board isn't going to change anything.

[Jumpman]

Yeah, it is.

Again, technically Yoda was right. He was too old to be trained, but that is what made him who he was. The compassion of this person was a product of his mother's teachings...teachings the Jedi of this era could've used to better themselves.

Both Anakin and the Jedi were flawed in this trilogy and that's the most fascinating part of the Prequels. I know I'm probably not alone in say that my vision of the Jedi during their heyday was not what we received...and I'm glad it isn't.

They were not saints.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

Yeah, it is.

Again, technically Yoda was right. He was too old to be trained, but that is what made him who he was. The compassion of this person was a product of his mother's teachings...teachings the Jedi of this era could've used to better themselves.

Both Anakin and the Jedi were flawed in this trilogy and that's the most fascinating part of the Prequels. I know I'm probably not alone in say that my vision of the Jedi during their heyday was not what we received...and I'm glad it isn't.

They were not saints.

I never thought the Jedi were saints. Ultimately I think the downfall of the Jedi was their inability to change to reflect the times they were in and their inability to properly train Anakin Skywalker to deal with his issues and emotions without losing himself and sight of the big picture.

[Sith]

Originally Posted by SonOfTorah

If that had genuinely been the case, then palpatine would have been a manipulator of machiavellian proportions, but there is zero evidence that palpatine was responsible.

He mentions to Anakin that he will "Give him the power to save his loved ones, the power to save Padame." Anakin never told him about his dreams, so how do you think he knew?

And Palpatine was a master manipulator.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by goldenrod

He manipulated Anakin no doubt about that. But he is also the guy who trie to have Padmé killed more than once and quite frankly, if you knew that a good friend hire goons to kill your wife would you go all friendly with him and join him like nothing happened?

Well, he doesn't know how much involvement Palpatine had in all of that.

After all, Dooku, Grevious, and the Trade Federation had their own schemes going on.

Anakin knew especially that the Trade Federation was gunning for Padme ever since their defeat on Naboo. And were the ones who arranged her assassination attempts and called for her head on Genosha. Not like Palpatine was sitting there rubberstamping every evil choice they made. The pawns may move under his manipulation, but not everything they do is his intention or design. If it was, they wouldn't have kept trying to kill Anakin.

[Jumpman]

goldenrod,

The difference is Anakin's fear. Yeah, I'm sure he pieced together that Palpatine was the one who tried to kill Padme in Episode II. But again, it comes back to what Palpatine is offering compared to what Yoda is offering.

For Anakin, it's a no brainer. The scene between Yoda and Anakin in Yoda's chamber is the crucial scene of the film. Anakin's practically begging Yoda to help him so he doesn't go off and lose himself as he did with the sand people.

What does Yoda do? Offer the same Jedi philosophy. That's not going to work for the Chosen One. And it shouldn't work because of how he was raised and the fact that everyone around him were very cavalier about the Chosen One title.

It makes total sense why he did what he did.

[Jumpman]

I never thought the Jedi were saints. Ultimately I think the downfall of the Jedi was their inability to change to reflect the times they were in and their inability to properly train Anakin Skywalker to deal with his issues and emotions without losing himself and sight of the big picture.

Absolutely.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Stormcrow

I never thought the Jedi were saints. Ultimately I think the downfall of the Jedi was their inability to change to reflect the times they were in and their inability to properly train Anakin Skywalker to deal with his issues and emotions without losing himself and sight of the big picture.

Yep. Agreed with you and Jumpman. Even Yoda recognizes that something is wrong with the Jedi Order in RotS.

If only his insight would have filled him in a bit sooner. Qui-Gon likely had it right all along.

Of course, it's Qui-Gon's fault that Anakin got trained in the first place. So nobody is perfect.

[Sith]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

Sith,

Palpatine convincing Anakin about the plot of the Jedi is not what drove him to make the choice he made.

Anakin was given a choice. Risk losing your wife with the Jedi way or possibly gaining the power to save her Palpatine's way. He specifically said in Episode II at his mother's grave that he "would not fail again."

This is why he made the choice. It ultimately really had nothing to do with Palpatine's or Anakin's feelings towards the Jedi...which were also a factor.

But, the biggest factor out of all the stuff Anakin was dealing with was still Padme.

Anakin's turn to the darkside is not that hard to understand. It doesn't make him irredeemable.

And Palpatine had nothing to do with those dreams. Anakin was having them about his mother in Episode II. Those dreams are a product of Anakin not letting go of his attachments...being too human to be a Jedi.

Those were not dreams about his mother, they were force visions. He was seeing the future and his mother in trouble in the present through the force, big difference.

[ChadFL]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Stormcrow

I never thought the Jedi were saints. Ultimately I think the downfall of the Jedi was their inability to change to reflect the times they were in and their inability to properly train Anakin Skywalker to deal with his issues and emotions without losing himself and sight of the big picture.

I always thought the Jedi were an unnecessary paramilitary group living outside the laws of government and society. I definately would have backed the Empire over the Jedi.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by Beast

Well, he doesn't know how much involvement Palpatine had in all of that.

After all, Dooku, Grevious, and the Trade Federation had their own schemes going on.

Anakin knew especially that the Trade Federation was gunning for Padme. And were the ones who arranged her assassination attempts and called for her head on Genosha. Not like Palpatine was sitting there rubberstamping every evil choice they made.

Yup honestly while I don't agree with Anakin for slaughtering the Separatist leaders like he did, I understand his decision. Those guys attacked his wife and her planet and her way of life and tried to kill her on more than one occasion. Just because the rest of the Jedi wouldn't exact revenge for her doesn't mean he was willing to sit by and let them get away with it.

[Sith]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

I never thought the Jedi were saints. Ultimately I think the downfall of the Jedi was their inability to change to reflect the times they were in and their inability to properly train Anakin Skywalker to deal with his issues and emotions without losing himself and sight of the big picture.

Absolutely.

The downfall of the Jedi was because of a Sith. Like it always is.

[goldenrod]

Originally Posted by Beast

Well, he doesn't know how much involvement Palpatine had in all of that.

After all, Dooku, Grevious, and the Trade Federation had their own schemes going on.

Anakin knew especially that the Trade Federation was gunning for Padme. And were the ones who arranged her assassination attempts and called for her head on Genosha. Not like Palpatine was sitting there rubberstamping every evil choice they made.

I agree that Palpatine wasn't there, but the point is that he was the sith they were trying to find for so long, the one behind the war, the assassinations attempt. If I order a hit on someone and the guy gets busted and he denounce me, I'm as guilty as he is.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Sith

He mentions to Anakin that he will "Give him the power to save his loved ones, the power to save Padame." Anakin never told him about his dreams, so how do you think he knew?

And Palpatine was a master manipulator.

He knew about Anakin and Padme. He was the Senator from Naboo, after all.

And Anakin had been confiding a lot of his secrets to Palpatine over the years.

He just knew why Anakin was deseperate and he plucked the rest from Anakin's head.

Much like how Vader plucked the fact that Luke had a sister and it was Leia from his mind.