Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[iamsometal]

Originally Posted by Beast

First of all...

Not everyone considers the release to be crap. Don't let bias fool you into thinking that everyone thinks the same way. Just as there's a variety of opinions as to what film in the Saga is the best... there's a similar opinion as to the tweaks and changes. So it's not something to really consider "A shame".

Placing blame and attacking people who don't follow the same thinking as you do does nobody any good. The thread features way too much of that. You don't like the new versions and arn't buying the release. That's your choice. But this whole finger-wagging and accusing people of buying "Shoveled Crap" and being "Sheep" is downright insulting. It's really unnecessary. We're all fans of the movies. And we all have our own opinions about them.

Why continue to empathize this "Us Vs. Them" mentality? Especially in the vane hope that it will get you the old cuts.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. You're the most biased person i've ever seen post on these forums, Beast. You vote with your dollar, we'll vote with ours. Stop being so damn hypocritical. You constantly squeezing in back handed comments in your posts (see bolded text above).

[svenge]

Originally Posted by Beast

I find it best to just ignore the EU stuff in general. It's easier to enjoy the films.

Especially since they had to give every background member of the Cantina and Jabba's Palace some elaborate backstory.

Plus they killed Chewbacca. Who deserved a better end than being crushed by a moon to save Solo's awful kid.

I find it hilarious that the board's biggest PT fan isn't a fan of EU stuff. After all, aren't the PT films basically EU-on-film (especially in terms of story/writing quality) with big-budget CGI? The only difference is that George Lucas of the late 90s was writing it, instead of George Lucas of the mid-70s, which essentially (if not legally) are 2 separate people.

[phillyfan1138]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

Was this posted here yet?



http://boards.theforce.net/star_wars.../30885339/p504

Of course the blu-ray has more detail...they redid the horrible DVD/hdtv master. The new transfer was probably a beautiful transfer, and then they DNRed it. The hdtv shots look horrible because the transfer was horrible...but at least they didn't dnr it (instead giving it edge enhancement and a lack of resolution).

Basically we have a movie that was mastered horribly for dvd (lets give it a 5/10 for detail). Then for the bluray/3d they remastered it, probably at very high quality (lets give it a 10/10). Then they dnred the perfect transfer, leaving the detail at something like 6/10. Still more detail, but much less than should actually exist.

In short, the end product of both is enough to make me puke looking at some of those screenshots. Yes, the bluray is probably the best it has every looked. Doesn't mean it doesn't still look like ****.

[Shaft Windu]

Originally Posted by svenge

I find it hilarious that the board's biggest PT fan isn't a fan of EU stuff. After all, aren't the PT films basically EU-on-film (especially in terms of story/writing quality) with big-budget CGI?

No!

[double_l4488]

Originally Posted by Beast

First of all...

Not everyone considers the release to be crap. Don't let bias fool you into thinking that everyone thinks the same way. Just as there's a variety of opinions as to what film in the Saga is the best... there's a similar opinion as to the tweaks and changes. So it's not something to really consider "A shame".

Who thinks the nooo added in jedi is a good thing? Who thinks that Jabba and greedo shooting first in ANH is an improvement? I don't doubt alot of people want to have these films on BD, but if everybody buys it, as you were saying the people that won't will do nothing b/c everybody is going to get it anyway. It is a shame, that so many just accept it and take whatever Lucas puts out there, no matter how ridiculous it is.

[Jumpman]

Very interesting Jumpman! Thanks for the link. It certainly would explain what we're seeing better than DNR.

Yeah, I thought so too. Yeah, a jump to HD would obviously produce a better, sharper image than that DVD. But, with the look of DNR all over the transfer, we technically shouldn't be see that much detail when it's there.

I totally agree with the assessment. There might be some DNR but something else is going on with the Episode I transfer.

Although, if you go back to the restoration article on starwars.com, they do say that they used the digital files for this transfer.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Breather

[Show spoiler]Now you're resorting to lies to try and prove a point. The sign of defeat. Just like last month. No home video or theatrical version shows that scene having a green saber. None, until 2004. Not the '82 VHS or anything beyond that. Even in my old VHS recording from '84 of Star Wars premiere on network TV in the US, the saber in that shot is blue-white. Not green. I love how you invented the "fact" of what was used as the source for the documentary. It was a test shot to show an example of how lightsabers were done. Duh.

Learn to enjoy the 2004 DVD's? You mean the same ones that even Lucasfilm admitted contained many lightsaber flaws that occurred in the 2004 transfer? The same transfer that you deny screwed up the lightsabers throughout the films. Lucasfilm admits they were screwed up in the transfer to DVD. Who should we believe? LFL that admits the screwup in '04, or you, a hapless internet "debater" who continually denies the truth in order to troll message boards? Pretty easy answer. Read this quote:

"A perfect example is in 2004 with the light sabers, how in the original trilogy all of the light sabers sort of dimmed, you lost that really hot, white core. Well, we went back and wanted to really be true to the original intention of the films, so we brightened up the light saber colors and we brought back that hot, white core that was original to the film."

Source? Lucasfilm at their recent presentation:

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/t/31...ands-on-report

Done mate. I still can't believe I wasted so much time, just like last month, arguing with someone who invents stories and "facts". I guess I'm the fool who follows him

.

Originally Posted by danny_boy

[Show spoiler]LOL!

Bigots like you are always easy to debunk:

Jim Ward:
Vice President of Marketing and Distribution for Lucasfilm Ltd.
2/10/2004:

First and foremost, the DVDs will deliver the very best possible sound and picture and take advantage of everything the medium can offer. On top of that, we are creating added-value material that gets inside the creation of the Star Wars films in a fresh and fun way," Ward said. "We want watching this DVD collection to be as memorable as seeing the movies for the first time."

Guess that involved seeing a partially green tinted lightsaber(in certain shots).

Just like every piece of contemporary evidence from 1977 shows it to be aswell as the latest and best transfer of the film to date(the 2011 Blu Ray)---which lo and behold--- features a green Lightsaber.

That's too bad.

Stick to enjoying your shitty 1997 laserdiscs----i'll stick with the 2011 Blu Ray.

As for the rest of your deregatory post--it's actually a description of yourself

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Okay, you two need to either **** each other or kill each other but for the love of all that is good and holy please do it soon.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by iamsometal

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. You're the most biased person i've ever seen post on these forums, Beast. You vote with your dollar, we'll vote with ours. Stop being so damn hypocritical. You constantly squeezing in back handed comments in your posts (see bolded text above).

Hardly. Because there are aspects of the films and of the changes that I don't care for.

I just don't feel the need to bicker about them. I'd rather accentuate the positive in this case.

It's not biased. If I was biased, I would adore A New Hope just as much as I adore every other film.

And that wasn't a backhanded comment. That was simply pointing out why he was saying what he was.

[Jumpman]

Of course the blu-ray has more detail...they redid the horrible DVD/hdtv master. It was probably a beautiful transfer, and then they DNRed it. The hdtv shots look horrible because the transfer was horrible...but at least they didn't dnr it (instead giving it edge enhancement and a lack of resolution).

Basically we have a movie that was mastered horribly for dvd (lets give it a 5/10 for detail). Then for the bluray/3d they remastered it, probably at very high quality (lets give it a 10/10). Then they dnred the perfect transfer, leaving the detail at something like 6/10. Still more detail, but much less than should actually exist.

In short, the end product of both is enough to make me puke looking at some of those screenshots. Yes, the bluray is probably the best it has every looked. Doesn't mean it doesn't still look like ****.

I don't think that's correct actually. The restoration article from starwars.com said that they used the digital files to do this transfer. It's probably reasonable to assume that they used those same files for the 3D master.

Yes, there's some DNR applied in order for this film to match up with the HD look of Episodes II and III...but, I don't think they went crazy with the DNR dial because there's too much detail in the images we've seen. This isn't Predator.

[RipleyLV426]

Originally Posted by Beard Esquire

Thanks for combing through the footage for me.

[Show spoiler]

[MrJoeKalel]

The close-up of Grievous is AMAZING, just breath taking.

As for the UOT...I said it before, we can try to get Spielberg's help into helping us get the UOT on blu-ray. It's worth a shot.

[WannabeSpiderMan]

Originally Posted by STARSCREAM

Great, thanks for the clarification guys. I'm glad she wasn't removed.

I don't recall that Yaddle reappears in AOTC or ROTS... I forgot all about her until this thread. Is TPM the only film that she appears?

[Beast]

Originally Posted by svenge

I find it hilarious that the board's biggest PT fan isn't a fan of EU stuff. After all, aren't the PT films basically EU-on-film (especially in terms of story/writing quality) with big-budget CGI? The only difference is that George Lucas of the late 90s was writing it, instead of George Lucas of the mid-70s, which essentially (if not legally) are 2 separate people.

No. The Prequels are Official Canon. The EU is far too diluted with the number of fingers in the pie.

There's a big difference between the PT and the EU. The EU turned every background character into a main character.

That's not to say that there's no some good stuff to be had in the EU. But I'll stick to the official canon.

And I don't see any considerable difference between the Lucas of the 70's and the Lucas of the 90's.

[phillyfan1138]

I don't think that's correct actually. The restoration article from starwars.com said that they used the digital files to do this transfer. It's probably reasonable to assume that they used those same files for the 3D master.

Yes, there's some DNR applied in order for this film to match up with the HD look of Episodes II and III...but, I don't think they went crazy with the DNR dial because there's too much detail in the images we've seen. This isn't Predator.

The original hdtv/dvd masters came from film elements if I recall correctly, and was done so long ago is looks crappy. Thus the new Bluray/3d master should look miles better, since they went straight to the digital intermediary. The DNR is really crazy in a lot of scenes...they look practically like paintings. Some of the screenshots have shown less dnr, but overall its FAR too much dnr. Much of the fine detail is simply gone.

[Merlinpants]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

Yeah, I thought so too. Yeah, a jump to HD would obviously produce a better, sharper image than that DVD. But, with the look of DNR all over the transfer, we technically shouldn't be see that much detail when it's there.

I totally agree with the assessment. There might be some DNR but something else is going on with the Episode I transfer.

Although, if you go back to the restoration article on starwars.com, they do say that they used the digital files for this transfer.

The post was just his opinion unfortunately and not based on any facts whatsoever. The shots do show hair and clothes forming blobs. The amount of DNR applied differs between each shot due to the level of grain present. Some shots have amazing detail, some it is totally washed out indicating heavy use of DNR. despite people wanting an explanation, the wax like features are only indicative of the use of heavy DNR. The shots have little to no grain which is impossible. The quote even states they used low grain stock, so where is the grain? DNR has wiped it clean.

[Inspector Toschi]

Originally Posted by iamsometal

For those of you that say you're still buying the set regardless of any changes:

Will you still buy the set if the reviews start popping up and the PQ turns out to be a DNR'ed, Edge Enhanced smeary mess across the board and/or if the sound turns out to be a total disaster and the music/dialogue are buried under the sound effects? I'm just wondering if you'll accept any slop Lucas shovels out of his barn or if you'll actually demand some quality before donating your cash to the Lucas great-grandkid retirement fund. I personally regret buying the OT on dvd twice, only to get a complete mess both in PQ and AQ. I won't repeat that mistake ever again (also due to the changes, but mainly because i'm not paying for another botch job in mastering).

I've seen the majority of the rips. The only film that's been DNR'd is Ep 1. The OT looks quite stunning, but not perfect. And none of the films have any EE. So your "what if" is just that. And it's a loaded question. You just want people to admit that they'll buy it because it's SW. But in this case they're not buying a poorly released product.

When I spend the 79.99 come next Friday, I can't imagine the set not giving me my moneys worth. It will be even more of a treat to show them to my Niece for the first time, and not use an outdated Laserdisc like some fanatics still do. Add the fact that I've managed to sell my 2006 DVDs (The ones with the UOT) for around 30 each means the Complete Saga has already been paid for from previous versions.

[Barry the Nomad]

Originally Posted by WannabeSpiderMan

I don't recall that Yaddle reappears in AOTC or ROTS... I forgot all about her until this thread. Is TPM the only film that she appears?

Yeah, Yaddle died in the ten year gap. Even Piell died between EP2 and EP3. Seems dying is the only way to get off the council.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Barry the Nomad

Yeah, Yaddle died in the ten year gap. Even Piell died between EP2 and EP3. Seems dying is the only way to get off the council.

Turning to the dark side works too.

[Inspector Toschi]

Originally Posted by double_l4488

Who thinks the nooo added in jedi is a good thing? Who thinks that Jabba and greedo shooting first in ANH is an improvement? I don't doubt alot of people want to have these films on BD, but if everybody buys it, as you were saying the people that won't will do nothing b/c everybody is going to get it anyway. It is a shame, that so many just accept it and take whatever Lucas puts out there, no matter how ridiculous it is.

You know there's more to these film than those two scenes? I want the UOT instead as much as everybody, but I'm not going to pretend the alteration of a few scenes has ruined the entire saga. I'm just not that narrow minded like some.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by WannabeSpiderMan

I don't recall that Yaddle reappears in AOTC or ROTS... I forgot all about her until this thread. Is TPM the only film that she appears?

Yes. She's no longer on the council by AotCs. Neither is Yarael Poof.

Lucas assumed that the entire council would be shown in combat in AotC, and felt they were probably going to be too difficult to really have in the Arena battle. Plus Yaddle would have diminished seeing Yoda in combat a short time later with Dooku. The EU followed their stories though.