Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Beast]

Originally Posted by bandit29

That is some dumbest SW bullshit I have ever read. Vader is in ANH throughout the whole movie. And he is quite significant. He's in the first sequence!

Nope. Even Lucas was surprised at how much people loved Vader from ANH.

It's not like he does anything of any real signifigance. Other than be Tarkin's lapdog.

That and the mediocre lightsaber duel with Obi-Wan certainly doesn't win him any points.

He's just like Boba Fett, a character that captured imagination cause he was mysterious and had a cool look.

Boba Fett is in ESB for what 10 minutes tops?

And? His fandom was even more absurd by comparison.
Then he proved he was lame by being killed by a blind man and a hole in the ground.

Troll much?

I don't know, do you? Considering I am just offering opinion backed up by facts.

And you're the one making personal attacks because of it.

[bandit29]

You're opinion is pretty much 100% wrong on Darth Vader and his impact in ANH...ridiculous

[Beast]

Originally Posted by bandit29

You're opinion is pretty much 100% wrong on Darth Vader and his impact in ANH...ridiculous

An opinion can't be wrong.

Vader's all style over substance in the first film. He enters the film looking cool and being mysterious.

And the only thing you learn about him is what's told in exposition about him by Obi-Wan.

Hell, people even assumed he was a robot when ANH first opened because of that.

[bandit29]

Originally Posted by Beast

An opinion can't be wrong.

Vader's all style over substance in the first film. He enters the film looking cool and being mysterious.

And the only thing you learn about him is what's told in exposition about him by Obi-Wan.

Hell, people even assumed he was a robot when ANH first opened because of that.

in this case your opinion is wrong..

He plays a role through out the whole movie..lapdog or not. He's a major part of the story.

Comparing him to Boba Fett who really didn't do much in ESB is ridiculous.

Search your feelings, you know it be true..

[Beast]

Originally Posted by bandit29

in this case your opinion is wrong..

It's okay to love Vader. But I am noting the character just from ANH.

He plays a role through out the whole movie..lapdog or not. He's a major part of the story.

Sure he plays a role. Doesn't mean it's not a minor role by comparison.

Comparing him to Boba Fett who really didn't do much in ESB is ridiculous.

You say ridiculous. I say fitting. Same exact over-exaggerated initial fandom.

Search your feelings, you know it be true..

From a certain point of view. Namely yours.

[bandit29]

Originally Posted by Beast

It's okay to love Vader. But I am noting the character just from ANH.

Sure he plays a role. Doesn't mean it's not a minor role by comparison.

You say ridiculous. I say fitting. Same exact over-exaggerated initial fandom.

Ya Vader was only in the first light saber duel ever seen...means nothing and is insignificant

Boba Fett says a few lines, shoots a blaster and walks up a ramp in ESB. He doesn't even show up until halfway through the movie..

As I have said which you apparently can't comprehend, Vader is in a ANH from beginning to end.

enjoy the TPM

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by supercutz

The OT isn't worth restoring for a blu-ray release because it won't be profittable?

That's a good one!

Why is that so funny? The truth is funny?

Look at it this way,

the first release of Star Wars on Blu-ray will be the special edition & the prequels. almost 90% of people will be buying these, the other 10% who will not buy are the hardcore who only want to see the OT. Now if you look at the numbers, if close to 90% of the people already got Star Wars on Blu-ray, how many of those will double dip and buy the OT release on Blu-ray? Maybe 5% will double dip? So for 15% Lucas as to spend millions in dollars and in men power hours to restore something that business wise will bring in very little for how much it will actually cost him to release. You look at it with the eyes of a fan, they look at it with the eyes of business guys. For them spending all this cash on restoring the OT to Blu-ray for so little return make's no sense.

I know it's truly hard to understand the concept for those hardcore who only want to have the OT but here it is again, the majority of people who will buy Star Wars do not care about the OT, they will buy the special editions and that is all. They don't care about Han shooting first, they don't care about the changes, they will buy Star Wars once and that will be the end of it. Lucasfilm is a business, I am sure they know that a small minority would love to have the OT restore but business wise it make's no sense to them in any way shape or form. Lucasfilm is a business and a business will not spend money and men power hours on something if they will not have a very large return for the work done, it's that simple.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

Um...did he just not donate over a Billion dollars to charity?

And someone correct me if I am wrong here, but was not 'Robert Harris' quoted as saying that he would take on job of supervising the restoration of them?


If so, then whats the problem?



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The difference is this,

Lucas donated billions from his personal fortune, not billions from Lucasfilm.

What he does with his personal money is up to him, he cannot do the same with the money of his company. If they will spend a good amount of money on releasing something, they will want a amazing retung for it and the reality of it all is this,

the majority of people out there do not care about the OT, they will buy the special edition but they wil lnot double dip again to get the OT. Only a certain number of us will double dip or just buy the OT. Business wise it make's no sense for Lucasfilm to do that much work on something that will give them very little return.

[Grubert]

Moot point. Lucasfilm is Lucas.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Grubert

Moot point. Lucasfilm is Lucas.

Maybe so, however one is a man and the other is a business and what a guy does personally is different then what a guy does with his business, you can disagree if you wish so but that is how things work

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Beast

An opinion can't be wrong.

Actually, yes, technically an opinion can be wrong if it is based upon untrue "facts" and misinformation (mind you I am referring to opinions in general, not specifically on the particular opinion you are expressing here).

It's really one of the things that are wrong with the world today is that too many people think and assume that all opinions are equal by default.

If someone were to say something like "I hate Star Wars because George Lucas harmed several dozen dogs in the making of the film", that opinion is wrong and invalid since there really weren't any dogs on set period... let alone any that got harmed.

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by Beast

Nope. Even Lucas was surprised at how much people loved Vader from ANH.

It's not like he does anything of any real signifigance. Other than be Tarkin's lapdog.

Interesting you say that. I have a copy of a Rolling Stone from June 2, 2005, where Lucas said this about Vader, which seems to refute what you say he said...:

Has Vader ever appeared in your dreams?

No, I don't dream about Star Wars, to be honest. I've had a lot of waking nightmares on the set, though, imagining the mask won't fit on, or the guy inside can't breathe and faints, or he can't sit down in the suit.

What was the greatest challenge with him?

I had to make Darth Vader scary without the audience ever seeing his face. Basically, it's just a black mask. I said, "How do I make that evil and scary?" I mean, he's big and black and he's got a cape and a samurai helmet, but that doesn't necessarily make people afraid of him. His character's got to go beyond that -- that's how we get his impersonal way of dealing with things. He's done a lot of horrible things in his life that he isn't particularly proud of. Ultimately, he's just a pathetic guy who's had a very sad life.

The first film, people didn't even know whether there was a person there. They thought he was a monster or some kind of a robot. In the second film, it's revealed that he's a human being, and in the third film you find out that, yes, he's a father and a regular person like the rest of us -- he's just got a bit of a complexion problem.

Even as you were building up this iconic villain, you knew the tragedy behind it.

He's so overwhelming in that first film, but you get to the point where you say, "Wait a minute, if he's so powerful, why doesn't he run the universe?" He even gets pushed around by the governors! They know the Emperor is the final word, so what happens is the same thing that happens in any corporation: Everybody worries about the top man, they don't worry about his goon. And by the time the Death Star is finished, it gives them the sense that they have a bigger, better suit than Darth Vader. In a standoff between the Death Star and Darth Vader, they have no question about who would win, and it's not this mumbo-jumbo Sith guy. So it's even more tragic, because he's not even an all-powerful bad guy, he's kind of a flunky.

[radagast]

Originally Posted by Beast

Nope. Even Lucas was surprised at how much people loved Vader from ANH.

It's not like he does anything of any real signifigance. Other than be Tarkin's lapdog.

Originally Posted by O_V_N

Interesting you say that. I have a copy of a Rolling Stone from June 2, 2005, where Lucas said this about Vader, which seems to refute what you say he said...:

Originally Posted by Beast

An opinion can't be wrong.

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

Actually, yes, technically an opinion can be wrong if it is based upon untrue "facts" and misinformation (mind you I am referring to opinions in general, not specifically on the particular opinion you are expressing here).

It's really one of the things that are wrong with the world today is that too many people think and assume that all opinions are equal by default.

If someone were to say something like "I hate Star Wars because George Lucas harmed several dozen dogs in the making of the film", that opinion is wrong and invalid since there really weren't any dogs on set period... let alone any that got harmed.

Absolutely correct. There are some on this forum, and in this thread, that think their opinions are equally as valid as anyone else's. Subjective BS. There is such a thing as objective facts and truth. If an opinion is refuted by the facts then, it isn't as valid as an opinion that IS supported by facts.

[#Darren]

As much as it annoys me that I can't get my beloved 70's and 80's Star Wars in their original form, and although I have succeeded in never having bought them on VHS and DVD due to this, I will probably cave with this BD release. Only thing is I will wait till they are on special for a really low price.

What do you all think they will sell for once they have passed the "new release" period?

P.S. Pls don't mention that disgraceful non anamorphic laser disk to DVD insult/mockery we were given a few years back.

[Raiders12]

I cannot wait for this!! 2011 will be awesome, Lion King and complete Star Wars blus!! I hope they make some insane collectors edt, because if I were to splurge for one expensive set, itd be SW!

[Weirded Wonder]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

the majority of people out there do not care about the OT, they will buy the special edition but they wil lnot double dip again to get the OT. Only a certain number of us will double dip or just buy the OT. Business wise it make's no sense for Lucasfilm to do that much work on something that will give them very little return.

A film that made nearly $300 million before the special editions, became a lexicon of american culture, a film watched on television by billions worldwide, top-five in sales on vhs and laserdisc, and Lucas and yourself believe their will be little return? Please..

Lucas made his vast fortune on the back of the unaltered trilogy, to not pay proper homage is a complete distortion of his altered reality. He's just a control freak that has lost all touch with reality a long time ago.

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by Raiders12

I cannot wait for this!! 2011 will be awesome, Lion King and complete Star Wars blus!! I hope they make some insane collectors edt, because if I were to splurge for one expensive set, itd be SW!

I'm with you on that!

Damn! It is going to be a long wait. Menace will definitely get the first spin followed by Clones and ending with ROTS on day 1! Can't wait to see and hear these bad boys!

[Beast]

Originally Posted by beardmoen

A film that made nearly $300 million before the special editions, became a lexicon of american culture, a film watched on television by billions worldwide, top-five in sales on vhs and laserdisc, and Lucas and yourself believe their will be little return? Please..

Lucas made his vast fortune on the back of the unaltered trilogy, to not pay proper homage is a complete distortion of his altered reality. He's just a control freak that has lost all touch with reality a long time ago.

I'd say that many of the fans are way more out of touch with reality than he is.

You know, the ones who call him a "Childhood Rapist", "Greedy", and so on.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by beardmoen

Lucas made his vast fortune on the back of the unaltered trilogy, to not pay proper homage is a complete distortion of his altered reality. He's just a control freak that has lost all touch with reality a long time ago.

Give me a break. The SEs aren't vastly different. To the casual viewer, they'd really be pressed to name the differences.

Talk about loss of reality: the general public at large will buy the SE Trilogy on BD, just as they did on DVD.

To quote Governor Tarkin: "This bickering is pointless." The SEs will be the release. To expect complaining to get a different outcome is naive.

[#Darren]

Changing "Hans shoots first" to me personally was a critical change in characterisation which really put me off the SE. I know he has made it that they shoot at the same time now, but give me a break, because that sort of change really sucks.

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Give me a break. The SEs aren't vastly different.