Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[WorkShed]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

The question is, will Disney/LFL push through the restoration and release them to shill the new movie, or will they wait for the 40th anniversary of the original?

If they re-released it to cinemas, like they did with the 1997 SE's, then it could end up taking a sizable amount of coin. Again.

DEFINITELY before the new film. It's a business no-brainer to get the nostalgia train up and running, going full steam ahead for the new film.

[klauswhereareyou]

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

What many in the online community can't understand is that they are in the minority. The vast majority of consumers don't really care and most of them already have bought the current Blu-ray's and have no intention of buying further editions, so they're really only targeting a small group of the physical media community, which is dying off anyway.

I know a good number of people in the "real" world that didn't bother buying the complete Saga Blu-Rays because they didn't want to own the prequels, and figured that it was only a matter of time before the original versions of the OT came out. Actually other than on the internet, I don't know one person who even like the prequels. I get weird looks any time I try to defend even aspects of them. I would've bought the complete saga blu-rays had the picture quality been better, and the if it had better extras, and most definitely if it had the original versions of the films (goes for the prequels too which are also special editionized here).

[svenge]

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

What many in the online community can't understand is that they are in the minority. The vast majority of consumers don't really care and most of them already have bought the current Blu-ray's and have no intention of buying further editions, so they're really only targeting a small group of the physical media community, which is dying off anyway.

Got anything to back up these unsubstantiated claims (which somehow magically dovetail with your views, which are virulently against those who want the pre-bastardized versions of the original films that made the franchise successful in the first place)?

You've already got your precious Jar-Jar and and the ridiculous Force-ghost of Hayden Christensen on Blu-ray already, so why does it bother you so much that a large number of people outright reject the SEs and PT and only want BDs of the OT the way it was originally released anyhow?

[Kryptonic]

Originally Posted by svenge

Got anything to back up these unsubstantiated claims

Do you?

(which somehow magically dovetail with your views, which are virulently against those who want the pre-bastardized versions of the original films that made the franchise successful in the first place)?

And yours don't? Heh.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

The question is, will Disney/LFL push through the restoration and release them to shill the new movie, or will they wait for the 40th anniversary of the original?

If they re-released it to cinemas, like they did with the 1997 SE's, then it could end up taking a sizable amount of coin. Again.

I think it will definitely be before the new movie to drum up interest and build up. I suspect they would get re-released theatrically. I think more along the lines of a large marketing campaign would take place especially with Ford, Fisher, and Hamill returning. A great tie-in if you think about it. There could even be a 3D release of them (although I don't favor that, just saying though).

[kidglov3s]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

I think it will definitely be before the new movie to drum up interest and build up. I suspect they would get re-released theatrically. I think more along the lines of a large marketing campaign would take place especially with Ford, Fisher, and Hamill returning. A great tie-in if you think about it.

It's a shame they won't be building this on truly beloved characters like Dexter Jettster.

[thegoat]

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

What many in the online community can't understand is that they are in the minority. The vast majority of consumers don't really care and most of them already have bought the current Blu-ray's and have no intention of buying further editions, so they're really only targeting a small group of the physical media community, which is dying off anyway.

Maybe, but I bought the saga set knowing full well that I would but the OUT if it was ever released, and that such a release would be my only reason for buying Star Wars again (okay, maybe extended cuts of AOTC/ROTS as well). I'm happy with the current Blus, but I would certainly buy the unaltered trilogy. I think there's money to be made there.

Besides, they keep re-releasing the films with different packaging, so they must still be moving plenty of inventory. Star Wars sells.

[svenge]

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

Do you?

Semper necessitas probandi incumbit ei qui agit.

As a courtesty, I'll dumb it down to a level that even a PT fan can understand: "'He who claims something must prove it".

Since you have claimed that people who prefer the OT and would purchase a BD set of the original versions are a small minority, it falls on you to bring evidence to back up that statement. Conversely, I have made no claims of my own and have merely cast doubt on yours by asking for proof.

[Majoran]

Originally Posted by The Fallen Deity

You'll be surprised how many people do actually care about the UOT.

Myself personally I grew up with the '97 Special Editions and those were the only versions I knew about for years until I saw the Theatrical Cuts.

Now the original versions are the definitive versions in my eyes but I've still got a place for the altered versions too.

As I've said countless times before, there should always be an option, especially with films that are this popular and culturally significant.

Actually I doubt I would be surprised...Ive been to multiple forums and have talked to people offline.. The people online care much more about it. Of course we can all say I know "a good number" if your number isn't in the 10s of thousands then it means little. We all tend to group with like minded people. so of course someone who posts online knows people offline that want the UOT .......

Everyone has what perfection would be in their minds, unfortunately perfection is usually never attained.....I don't care either way, Id be happy to see the UOT, but am in no way angry about the changes nor will I "boycott" the new editions....

We consistently see posts that there are "numbers" to make the UOT worthwhile, but really have we seen any type of numbers? Some people will buy anything SW, so they would be tossed out. We would need numbers of those that are waiting for the UOT and will not purchase any form of media until it happens.

[Kryptonic]

Originally Posted by svenge

Semper necessitas probandi incumbit ei qui agit.

As a courtesty, I'll dumb it down to a level that even a PT fan can understand: "'He who claims something must prove it".

Grow up.

Since you have claimed that people who prefer the OT and would purchase a BD set of the original versions are a small minority, it falls on you to bring evidence to back up that statement. Conversely, I have made no claims of my own and have merely cast doubt on yours by asking for proof.

Look at your signature. Yeah, you clearly have no bias here.

Now, you could say that I have a bias and maybe I do. I honestly prefer the new versions, but I don't really care what versions you or anyone else prefers. It's really none of my concern. I also love the Prequels, despicable heathen that I am. But children such as yourself seem to have this absolute view of the situation as if anyone who prefers or likes something that you deem unsuitable are just plain wrong. That, I don't care for one bit, but I get by knowing that it's your problem and you'll continue being a petty, small person with limited knowledge and understanding.

[The Fallen Deity]

Originally Posted by Majoran

Actually I doubt I would be surprised...Ive been to multiple forums and have talked to people offline.. The people online care much more about it. Of course we can all say I know "a good number" if your number isn't in the 10s of thousands then it means little. We all tend to group with like minded people. so of course someone who posts online knows people offline that want the UOT .......

Everyone has what perfection would be in their minds, unfortunately perfection is usually never attained.....I don't care either way, Id be happy to see the UOT, but am in no way angry about the changes nor will I "boycott" the new editions....

I'm not angry or boycotting anything regarding the Special Editions as I do enjoy them as well hence why I own The Complete Saga box set.

It would just be nice to have the Theatrical Cuts within the same level of picture and sound quality alongside the Special Editions like what was done with films like Blade Runner, Close Encounters Of The Third Kind etc.

Anything would nicer than the current LD transfers.

I know there's the Harmy versions but they do really count as their not really official releases.

[Majoran]

Originally Posted by The Fallen Deity

I'm not angry or boycotting anything regarding the Special Editions as I do enjoy them as well hence why I own The Complete Saga box set.

It would just be nice to the Theatrical Cuts within the same level of picture and sound quality.

Anything would nicer than the current LD transfers.

I know there's the Harmy versions but they do really count as their not really official releases.

I understand what you and others want, lets say they do release them, but they are barebones, we'd have even more grumbling about how they are neutered in some way. Or tht the coloring was not as I remembered it in the theater, there is ALWAYS someone\some group that will complain

I really hope that they do release them as this is one of the rumors that circulates it seems multiple times a year. It had died out for a bit, but since Disney got the rights people are "hopeful" once again so they are beating the drums...

[svenge]

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

Look at your signature. Yeah, you clearly have no bias here.

At least I can tell the difference between bias and making unsubstantiated claims. It's a pity that you can't.

Still waiting on that proof for the potential market size for OT Blu-rays, by the way...

[The Fallen Deity]

Originally Posted by Majoran

I understand what you and others want, lets say they do release them, but they are barebones, we'd have even more grumbling about how they are neutered in some way. Or tht the coloring was not as I remembered it in the theater, there is ALWAYS someone\some group that will complain

I really hope that they do release them as this is one of the rumors that circulates it seems multiple times a year. It had died out for a bit, but since Disney got the rights people are "hopeful" once again so they are beating the drums...

I can't speak for anyone else but I'd still buy them even if they were barebones.

The Theatrical Cuts in HD would more than make up for the lack of special features.

In regards to the colour timing, I have no clue how the films originally looked as I never saw them theatrically as I wasn't even born yet and even if I did I probably wouldn't remember how they looked anyway.

All I know is that they didn't look like the Lowry transfers used for the DVD/BD transfers of the Special Editions as Lucas deliberately had the colours altered.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by tylergfoster

If they used the three-strip Technicolor print housed at the UCLA Film and Television Archives for a new 4K master, then I think it would turn out fine, picture-wise.

I didn't realize this existed until you mentioned it and I have subsequently done a little research on it. How could Lucas claim the original no longer exists if this exists? It's true that the original negative no longer exists, but the obvious intention is to make a quality release version of the unaltered original and this would certainly suffice.

Wiki claims that Lucas made a 3-strip archival negative. Is that what's at UCLA or did they make a print of it and that's what resides at UCLA? And then there's also the matter of the print that resides at the Library of Congress depository. It's never been clear whether that's an unaltered print or not.

Also, if there is that 3-strip archival negative, I wonder who technically now owns it? Lucas personally, 20cFox, Lucasfilm or Disney? Of course owning the negative and having the rights to do anything with it are two different matters.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

Grow up.



Look at your signature. Yeah, you clearly have no bias here.

Now, you could say that I have a bias and maybe I do. I honestly prefer the new versions, but I don't really care what versions you or anyone else prefers. It's really none of my concern. I also love the Prequels, despicable heathen that I am. But children such as yourself seem to have this absolute view of the situation as if anyone who prefers or likes something that you deem unsuitable are just plain wrong. That, I don't care for one bit, but I get by knowing that it's your problem and you'll continue being a petty, small person with limited knowledge and understanding.

lol, respond to a question for proof with "grow up".... actually that request was the ONLY logical response to give to an unsubstantiated claim.

[Kryptonic]

Originally Posted by svenge

At least I can tell the difference between bias and making unsubstantiated claims. It's a pity that you can't.

Still waiting on that proof for the potential market size for OT Blu-rays, by the way...

Prove to me that the UOT is going to sell millions of copies and be worth the money to sink millions into restoring the original versions? There are no numbers on either side and we can both claim certain things, but at least I can look at the numbers and say that the current boxset has sold millions of copies, made hundreds of millions in revenue, and that likely, the majority of people that want to own Star Wars on Blu-ray have probably already purchased the current editions and chances are unlikely that they will buy another version should it be released. Now of course it will sell (it's Star Wars afterall) and probably pretty well for a catalog title, but the chances that it's going to be some huge windfall for Disney, who are going to have to spend a pretty penny restoring the films, are highly unlikely.

[Kryptonic]

Originally Posted by wormraper

lol, respond to a question for proof with "grow up".... actually that request was the ONLY logical response to give to an unsubstantiated claim.

I tend to not really answer questions when I'm insulted in the question. Hence, my "grow up" response was more than adequate for such a childish and ill-advised proposal.

[kidglov3s]

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

Prove to me that the UOT is going to sell millions of copies and be worth the money to sink millions into restoring the original versions? There are no numbers on either side and we can both claim certain things, but at least I can look at the numbers and say that the current boxset has sold millions of copies, made hundreds of millions in revenue, and that likely, the majority of people that want to own Star Wars on Blu-ray have probably already purchased the current editions and chances are unlikely that they will buy another version should it be released. Now of course it will sell (it's Star Wars afterall) and probably pretty well for a catalog title, but the chances that it's going to be some huge windfall for Disney, who are going to have to spend a pretty penny restoring the films, are highly unlikely.

Why is selling well as a catalog title not good enough? Why should putting the Star Wars movies on Blu-ray be a bigger risk than, say, Baby: Secret of the Lost Legend?

I don't see the need for the drama around this situation. It's not like it hurts the prequels or the SEs for the original versions to be released on Blu-ray.

[WorkShed]

Kryptonic, just stop.

You will get your proof once the UOT blus are announced and they immediately sky-rocket to the top of the Amazon preorder list.