Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Bobbyjoe766]

Originally Posted by darkness2918

The prequels are awesome Ive always loved them & the only film i rate high then them is The Empire Strikes Back. I also think the prequels are better then all the Disney era SW films.

The Empire Strikes Back is a classic and my favourite chapter. I only rate STAR WARS (1977) as being equal to it (although I prefer Empire).

I don’t rate the prequels at all, and the sequels are tolerable. I do like quite a few of the music cues throughout the sequel trilogy and the acting and direction are of a higher standard than the prequels.

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by motorheadache95

I'm not sure any of his tweaking is specifically malicious or to "troll fans," I think he just has some kind of OCD problem with tweaking a film every time he has an opportunity for a new release. Most of the alterations he did for the Blu-Ray were more head-scratching than offensive. Rocks, bigger doors, a few blinking Ewoks, etc. And none of it was consistent from shot to shot. It was just so weird. It's as if Lucas is OCD about making these tweaks to the films, and yet at the same time he's also lazy about it and doesn't spend enough time following through with what he's trying to do.

Oh, I almost forgot about Vader's "Nooooo!" added to Jedi. Now that I could believe he did as a middle-finger to everyone trashing that moment in Sith.

OCD and ADD don’t work well together.

[kwisatzhaderach]

Originally Posted by darkness2918

I also think the prequels are better than all the Disney era SW films.

Not a high bar to pass.

[drush9999]

Originally Posted by darkness2918

The prequels are awesome Ive always loved them & the only film i rate high then them is The Empire Strikes Back. I also think the prequels are better then all the Disney era SW films.

While I don't agree the prequels are awesome, they do appear awesome compared with the Disney trilogy. I like the Disney spin-offs though.

[Alan_Grant]

Originally Posted by Bobbyjoe766

I don’t rate the prequels at all, and the sequels are tolerable. I do like quite a few of the music cues throughout the sequel trilogy and the acting and direction are of a higher standard than the prequels.

Ridley couldn't act her way out of a paper bag, Boyega was clearly given a "unless it's screaming for Rey no acting allowed" mandate, Isaac stopped caring after the first one. Driver was the only solid actor throughout this trilogy. While the PT has some cardboard acting at best in most of the leads, none were as cartoony as those of the ST, Driver and Ford and Hamill (what little was allowed) being the only exceptions, period. Don't get me started on JJ Abrams "directing"

[motorheadache95]

Originally Posted by Neon Rabbit

Yeah, OCD is probably a better way to describe it. The addition of NoooOOOOooOOOo!!! in ROTJ is definitely the part that made it seem to me as if he was just trying to piss people off. He does seem to be very embarrassed/ashamed of the original cuts though considering how far he goes out of his way to suppress them and pretend as much as possible that they are completely irrelevant in interviews. He dismisses them as though they were totally unwatchable before he started adding over the top CGI and making nonsensical changes to them.

Yeah, he mentions them as "rough drafts" and seems to think of them as no different than an assembly cut that hadn't gone through final editing and post yet. And he couldn't stop with just doing a "director's cut" (aka the 1997 Special Editions). You have to wonder what some of the effects team were thinking when he was instructing them to make some of those tweaks to the films.
"Yeah, that door could be bigger. Let's make that door bigger."

"Artoo isn't hidden that well, is he? Add some rocks there. No, not from the side angles, we don't have all day, just those close-up shots."

[Bobbyjoe766]

Originally Posted by Alan_Grant

Ridley couldn't act her way out of a paper bag, Boyega was clearly given a "unless it's screaming for Rey no acting allowed" mandate, Isaac stopped caring after the first one. Driver was the only solid actor throughout this trilogy. While the PT has some cardboard acting at best in most of the leads, none were as cartoony as those of the ST, Driver and Ford and Hamill (what little was allowed) being the only exceptions, period. Don't get me started on JJ Abrams "directing"

Portman and Christensen are hopeless. Their ‘love’ scenes are decidedly rotten. As a couple, they never convince.
Ian McDiarmid chews the carpet in Sith - he’s better in Rise. A much more subtle performance.
McGregor rivals Driver, as one of the more solid performers in the PT, even if some of his dialogue is execrable.

Both trilogies suck, but I’ll take the sequels over the prequels.

[adamclark83]

I loved Rey in the ST but what annoyed me about her from TLJ onwards was her constant "I have to do this alone. I must do this alone" attitude.

Also, I'm not sure if this is the right thread to post it but I have been thinking how some scenes could've been different. If Rey wasn't related to anyone, they should've just said so at the start and maybe went with an actress who absolutely did not look like she was related to either Han and Leia or Luke. Maybe name her Kyra and have lovely red hair. This is what I was thinking (please understand, I am not a writer):

The Force Awakens
After escaping the Empire, Kyra and Finn have some time to themselves aboard the Falcon. Kyra sits atop the maintenance hatch cleaning a machinery part with a rag as Finn comes in from the cockpit:

FINN: We seem to be OK. Nothing's chasing us yet. Looks like we're in the clear.
KYRA: That's good to hear.
FINN (sits down beside Kyra): You handled this ship very well. You flown before?
KYRA: Thanks (smiles gratefully). No, it was my first time. Dad gave me some pointers. Seems to have paid off. We appear to be still in one piece. (a bang sounds from somewhere in the ship) More or less.
FINN: Your dad? Shouldn't we go back for him? He must be worried sick about you. Your mum too.
KYRA (looking solemn): There's no one.
FINN: Oh, I am so sorry. I didn't mean to-
KYRA: No, it's OK.
FINN: What happened?
KYRA: They died, trying to protect me. When I was younger, we were out buying supplies when raiders set upon us. Dad refused to give up what little we had so they wanted to take me to use as a bargaining chip. They started dragging me away, I tried to break free but was thrown to the ground. The punches and kicks came so fast I could hardly protect myself. Dad managed to free me and we escaped... barely. (she turns to Finn). You see, where I came from, you have to live with what little you have and for some people, that isn't enough. You have to fend for yourself and it could mean the difference between barely eating to eating not at all.

THE LAST JEDI
Kyra has encountered Luke whom wants nothing to do with her as he walks away.
KYRA (calling): Master Skywalker.
LUKE: I'm not a master anymore. I'm not "your" master so don't call me that.
KYRA: I'm sorry. Luke. I didn't just come here because Leia seeks your assistance in this war. I came to seek your help.
LUKE: What help? What help could I possibly give you?
KYRA: I need your help in finding out what's happening to me.

Luke dismisses Kyra's help with her training so she attempts to train herself with the lightsabre. Luke just sees what she is doing as foolish but while on his errands, he walks past and knocks her about or sweeps her legs. Over time, Luke warms to her.
KYRA: Hey, what did you do that for?
LUKE: Do what for?
KYRA: You nearly tripped me up.
LUKE: I did no such thing.
KYRA: Yes you did.
LUKE: What I was doing was trying to get you to stand correctly. You see, if you tried to defend an attack standing like that, your opponent would've knocked you on your ass leaving you open to a killing blow. By standing like this, it puts more strength into your back leg allowing you to recover faster.

Kyra sits on a rock eating her dinner, watching the caretakers go about their business when the eldest trudges up to her and hands her a cloth package.

KYRA (taking the package): Is this for me? (she unbinds the straps and opens it to reveal a nicely folded pair of familiar attire).
CARETAKER (subtitled): We figured if you're going to train as a Jedi, you should look like one.
KYRA: I will cherish these forever. Thank you.

The caretaker starts to walk away.

KYRA: Hey, wait a minute. What about Master Skywalker? Does he know about this?
CARETAKER (subtitled - she turns round to face Kyra): Dear child, it was his idea.

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by adamclark83

I loved Rey in the ST but what annoyed me about her from TLJ onwards was her constant "I have to do this alone. I must do this alone" attitude.

Also, I'm not sure if this is the right thread to post it but I have been thinking how some scenes could've been different. If Rey wasn't related to anyone, they should've just said so at the start and maybe went with an actress who absolutely did not look like she was related to either Han and Leia or Luke. Maybe name her Kyra and have lovely red hair. This is what I was thinking (please understand, I am not a writer):

[Show spoiler]The Force Awakens
After escaping the Empire, Kyra and Finn have some time to themselves aboard the Falcon. Kyra sits atop the maintenance hatch cleaning a machinery part with a rag as Finn comes in from the cockpit:

FINN: We seem to be OK. Nothing's chasing us yet. Looks like we're in the clear.
KYRA: That's good to hear.
FINN (sits down beside Kyra): You handled this ship very well. You flown before?
KYRA: Thanks (smiles gratefully). No, it was my first time. Dad gave me some pointers. Seems to have paid off. We appear to be still in one piece. (a bang sounds from somewhere in the ship) More or less.
FINN: Your dad? Shouldn't we go back for him? He must be worried sick about you. Your mum too.
KYRA (looking solemn): There's no one.
FINN: Oh, I am so sorry. I didn't mean to-
KYRA: No, it's OK.
FINN: What happened?
KYRA: They died, trying to protect me. When I was younger, we were out buying supplies when raiders set upon us. Dad refused to give up what little we had so they wanted to take me to use as a bargaining chip. They started dragging me away, I tried to break free but was thrown to the ground. The punches and kicks came so fast I could hardly protect myself. Dad managed to free me and we escaped... barely. (she turns to Finn). You see, where I came from, you have to live with what little you have and for some people, that isn't enough. You have to fend for yourself and it could mean the difference between barely eating to eating not at all.

THE LAST JEDI
Kyra has encountered Luke whom wants nothing to do with her as he walks away.
KYRA (calling): Master Skywalker.
LUKE: I'm not a master anymore. I'm not "your" master so don't call me that.
KYRA: I'm sorry. Luke. I didn't just come here because Leia seeks your assistance in this war. I came to seek your help.
LUKE: What help? What help could I possibly give you?
KYRA: I need your help in finding out what's happening to me.

Luke dismisses Kyra's help with her training so she attempts to train herself with the lightsabre. Luke just sees what she is doing as foolish but while on his errands, he walks past and knocks her about or sweeps her legs. Over time, Luke warms to her.
KYRA: Hey, what did you do that for?
LUKE: Do what for?
KYRA: You nearly tripped me up.
LUKE: I did no such thing.
KYRA: Yes you did.
LUKE: What I was doing was trying to get you to stand correctly. You see, if you tried to defend an attack standing like that, your opponent would've knocked you on your ass leaving you open to a killing blow. By standing like this, it puts more strength into your back leg allowing you to recover faster.

Kyra sits on a rock eating her dinner, watching the caretakers go about their business when the eldest trudges up to her and hands her a cloth package.

KYRA (taking the package): Is this for me? (she unbinds the straps and opens it to reveal a nicely folded pair of familiar attire).
CARETAKER (subtitled): We figured if you're going to train as a Jedi, you should look like one.
KYRA: I will cherish these forever. Thank you.

The caretaker starts to walk away.

KYRA: Hey, wait a minute. What about Master Skywalker? Does he know about this?
CARETAKER (subtitled - she turns round to face Kyra): Dear child, it was his idea.

Sounds good to me! Nicely written.

[shinobipopcorn]

Personally I think Rey is a failure as a protagonist, just speaking from a regular audience member POV and not a mega fan. I didn't really like her that much; I got a major sense that she was hiding her failures, even before the "you're a Palp" stuff. Luke never gave me that impression in the OT (though he did in the ST). I didn't want to buy into the Mary Sue stuff because I was glad to get a female hero, but yeah, how do you instantly know how to do by the end of one movie what took Luke one and a half?

Kylo can GTFO with the crybaby stuff, that might be why I didn't like him. He was better in the final movie, I'll admit that, but I just couldn't take all the whining. And I will nip this in the bud right now- no shipping. Gross. Maybe because Disney has been hiring the ugliest actors they can find lately, but I can't get behind all this nonsense and must be the only woman in the world who does not find him attractive.

Mando, though...

[Hardback247]

Originally Posted by shinobipopcorn

Kylo can GTFO with the crybaby stuff, that might be why I didn't like him. He was better in the final movie, I'll admit that, but I just couldn't take all the whining.

"Crybaby stuff"? "Whining"? I think you're watching the movies wrong.

[Hardback247]

Originally Posted by Bobbyjoe766

Both trilogies suck, but I’ll take the sequels over the prequels.

If you think THOSE trilogies are bad, then try watching the Atlas Shrugged Trilogy.

[shinobipopcorn]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

"Crybaby stuff"? "Whining"? I think you're watching the movies wrong.

Alright, "too much angst", there is that better?

[Hardback247]

Originally Posted by shinobipopcorn

Alright, "too much angst", there is that better?

Do you have a problem seeing characters struggle with their feelings?

[shinobipopcorn]

No, I just think he overdid it a bit too much. Emotional men are fine with me, but I don't like tantrums. It may have been funny in the second movie, but it really made him look like an idiot.

[Deathbymonkeys]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

"Crybaby stuff"? "Whining"? I think you're watching the movies wrong.

Um all he did was throw fits in the first 2.

[Bobbyjoe766]

Originally Posted by shinobipopcorn

Maybe because Disney has been hiring the ugliest actors they can find lately, but I can't get behind all this nonsense and must be the only woman in the world who does not find him attractive.

Ugly kid. I don’t think Han was the father.

[Alan_Grant]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

I think you're watching the movies wrong.

Have sex

Originally Posted by Hardback247

If you think THOSE trilogies are bad, then try watching the Atlas Shrugged Trilogy.

One trilogy being awful does not negate another trilogy being awful. That's a whataboutism.

[50strat54]

This isn’t On The Waterfront.

You’re overthinking the films. The Skywalker Saga is just a fun adventure roller coaster and nothing more.

The in depth analysis going on here though is very amusing

[Hardback247]

Originally Posted by Alan_Grant

Have sex

I already have, thank you.