I'm both happy and disappointed at the same time. I'm happy because this was a solid month, no bones about it. I'm disappointed because it wasn't even bigger. Like last July was a behemoth. Pat Garrett And Billy The Kid, Risky Business, Farewell My Concubine, Le Samourai, Perfect Days, and Black God, White Devil, all in one month. That's what I was expecting this time.
All are easy Day One purchases, with BL, AD, and CK being standouts for me. The other films are all new to me, so it seems I'll have three brand-new titles in the future.
Add to that the June slate (frickin' Brazil on 4K!), and the July sale is still going to be brutal, even if it's not as brutal as I hoped it'd be.
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Some of these came before the announcements, but I'll tackle them anyway.
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Wishlist:
Manifesting some Mike Nichols Silkwood 4K and Working Girl 4K
Another one for Raise the Red Lantern and The Unbearable Lightness of Being
Shoot the Moon (1982)
1972: Lady Sings the Blues 4K and Sounder 4K
Never will happen and probably more likely a Warner Archive release: In Country (1989).
Music: Madonna Truth or Dare and Madonna's videos in true 4K. Oh, and Desperately Seeking Susan 40th Anniversary 4K Edition.
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Working Girl is sadly with the mouse, but it should happen.
TULOB, I don't know why it hasn't been done. Even though it likely would've sucked, when WB was cranking out DVDs back in the 2000s, they were mostly struck from automated 2K scan/restoration/master jobs, so a Blu-ray easily could've happened. While it could be a Zaentz issue, when you consider that the DVD transfers of One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, Bakshi's Lord Of The Rings, and Amadeus all made the jump to Blu-ray, it makes the absence of TULOB even more noticeable.
As for the Madonna stuff, I would assume WHV, WAC, or Shout would be options, minus DSS. In the old days, there was Warner Music Video and Warner Reprise Video, which released many of her tapes, including The Virgin Tour, Ciao Italia, and The Immaculate Collection. I wonder what happened to that label, and whether WB would reactivate it for their music. (I also wonder if there's music rights issues with those releases, since that is the reason it took eons for the 2004 DVD, the 2012 burner, and the 2017 Blu-ray of Vision Quest to appear, since each time they had to negotiate with everyone, including but not limited to Madonna. (In one case, I forget the film but it wasn't Vision Quest, Madonna said the price of one of her songs was $100 million. It's unclear whether she was being sarcastic or serious, but her music wasn't in said film at all.)
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Originally Posted by Watershipdownisgood
Honestly, Let’s do it again, Uptown Saturday Night, and a Piece of the Action I don’t see ever happening until Cosby passes away even then I don’t think Criterion, or even WAC wants to deal with his remaining Warner titles right now, and I don’t blame them. I really don’t think some boutique labels really want to deal with Cosby titles right now unless somehow Uptown Saturday Night actually gets released I doubt it right now. I think the fact Cosby has had his reputation completely ruined doesn’t help these titles whatsoever.
Also Cosby is a complete scumbag, and honestly deserves to be in the situation he’s involved in. Screw him sorry
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Same. I don't see them happening until after Cosby's death, if at all. It's a shame, but it's better than putting cash in his pocket, since he likely would make a profit off of the film.
If you haven't heard of it, look up "Spanish Fly" on YouTube. While the audience was howling as he told the "joke" back then, it's so blue, disturbing, and tasteless that I'm shocked there was ever a time it was seen as acceptable. (And this is coming from someone who's been dying on a hill for the uncensored Tom And Jerry for years.)
And the album it appears on is called "It's True! It's True!" Sadly, I'm not joking. That's the real name of the album.
He also starred in the cult Disney film The Devil And Max Devlin, playing the devil of all people. I wonder which one is more likely: Song Of The South, or Devlin.
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We're not allowed to discuss that here.
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Not even almost trying to do piracy. I'll put that out there now.
My desire is to have all my movies backed up. Not only is it convenient if I'm away from home, but if anything happens to individual copies or even my whole collection, in a way I can still have it.
Believe me, when I pay big bucks for these movies, jump through hoops to get them, eat a lot of shit for trying to get rare releases, and then struggle to keep them in usable condition, I'm not about to turn around and run a charity operation by passing them around for free.
I'm also not selling anything. I don't feel like spending five years in a federal-pound-me-in-the-ass prison, plus paying 250,000 dollars that I don't have, just because I decided to make $20 selling boots to the two people on this website who chose to buy them.
I have enough problems. Getting wrapped up in piracy ain't gonna be the next one.
Ripping my tapes and discs for piracy's sake isn't my goal, wasn't before, and isn't going to be my goal in the future either. Ripping my tapes and disc for preservation's sake was, is, and will remain my goal until it's done. So any help preserving my copies from anyone is greatly appreciated. (And before anyone asks "hey, in return for helping you archive your movies, could you hook me up with your rare tape of *?", no. But I'll happily let you know when a legit copy becomes available.
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What in pluperfect hell are you talking about?
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I was just saying that I'm waiting for the day when some dickweed who decides what gets a tariff sees a Blu-ray and says, "Let's take this apart. Case, that's a tariff. Wrap, that's a tariff. Sticker on the wrap, that's a tariff. Disc, that's a tariff. Accordion-ass pamphlet, that's a tariff. Hey, you shoulda done a booklet! We could've tariffed each page, plus two more tariffs for the staples! Oh, and the cover's a tariff. That's $895 to bring it into the country. Happy watchin'!"
I don't know what country you're from, but this is sadly something that, as batshit as it sounds, is unfortunately very possible.
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Originally Posted by duggie walker
We can't go down this road of retrospective censorship without literally erasing the history of not just cinema but humankind in general. In this moment, we should resist that aggressively, even at the cost of some personal pain.
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Originally Posted by apricissimus
That's a great essay, but I'm not sure if anyone is trying to censor the movie.
For my part, I can choose not to watch it.
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First, duggie walker's entire post was great.
Second, I think the number one approach to a film with what you feel is objectionable content is to simply not watch it or buy it. You know that, I know that, and the normal people here know that.
I have personal hard limits with films, and naturally those films are either not in my collection, or I bought them for a reason unrelated to watching them (rarity, preservation, etc) and I have no intention of watching them.
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It really helps to know that depictions cruelty are fake. A simulated rape scene that serves the interests of the story can be fine. A real rape scene of course never is.
But even simulated cruelty can be distasteful and offensive if the point is only to titillate certain people who actually enjoy that kind of thing.
I also respect that people may be triggered even by simulated cruelty done with the best of intentions due to past trauma in their lives. (I have my own sensitivities... the details of which I do not want to get into here.)
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Simulated cruelty even has its limits, but real cruelty is just inexcusable.
A film like A Clockwork Orange shockingly didn't bother me as a kid (not even joking, when I was 9-10 and first watching that film I thought it was a comedy...easily one of the main films I was way too young to be watching), but when I watched the film again when I was older (15, after learning that many of my friends had histories of sexual abuse), it was truly terrifying. Nowadays, what makes it somewhat easier to sit through, is the knowledge that it was all scripted, and all actors in that film's notable rape scene knew exactly what they were filming before, during, and after the cameras rolled. (In fact, it was a rather lighthearted shoot per McDowell and Corri.)
That being said, different people see films much differently, simply because of the suffering they or their loved ones have faced. There's one user, I won't say who or on what film, but on what was a rather light and fluffy sex comedy, the user found the film utterly disturbing because of abuse they faced as a kid. Most other users just broke the OP's balls over it, but it was honestly pretty sad.
When you can truly relate to the events in a film like that, it does affect people differently. For me, Mommie Dearest is a great example. Many write that off as either a comedy (intentional or unintentional), a campy cult film, or just an outright bad film. When I tried to watch it, I wound up turning it off because it was nearly identical to the way my mother is in real life. (As my mother's actually been diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder and narcissistic personality disorder, it's likely she could see something like Mommie Dearest as a training tool.) While Crawford's daughter said the film was over the top, and Dunaway later said she overdid the role, I took it as a mother literally entertaining herself with the abuse of her children, making a show out of the abuse, possibly even making it so intentionally cartoonish that it couldn't possibly be believed by an outsider.
Simulated cruelty can still affect viewers.
Real cruelty is just inexcusable though.
For me, the hard limits are animal cruelty, anything involving kids (physical abuse or sexual abuse), or anything to women (again, any type of physical or sexual abuse, and rape). Obviously films dealing with the topics are one thing, but a lot of films (especially between the 60s and the 90s) just get to the point where it's "...and here we'll cut an animal to shreds while it screams for ten minutes, and then we'll move on to the nude children who are artistically posed for ten minutes, and now we'll go to their mother being violently raped for 20 minutes...", like I have no desire to sit there and watch shit like that.
It's at the point where I'll now look up films on Wikipedia and IMDb and read as much as I can about them, in many cases reading the entire film before I see it, just because I got so disgusted with just seeing one more meritlessly graphic scene after another. I can't even say I get that they're trying to make an artistic statement, because I have no idea what the artistic statement is supposed to be. Is it "Look at me, I'm a scumbag!", or something else?
Back to Last Tango In Paris, the revelation that they filmed the scene the way they did effectively took it from a mediocre art film posing as a masterpiece (in my mind) to basically just a rape on film. And at that point I lost all respect for the film, Bertolucci, and Brando. Even with all their other films, films which were amazing then and are still amazing now, this is the film I associate them both with.
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That's a great and beautifully honest response but you lose me when you advocate censorship.
My Uncle was killed in a horrific road accident many years ago. At the time, UK TV showed quite horrific adverts about road safety, showing crash-test dummies being obliterated in slow-motion. It was difficult to sit and watch that with my family because our personal experience had sensitised us to the material. But would it have been right to call for a ban on those adverts?
We don't - we can't - legislate on the basis of the most sensitised members of the population. Grief and pain are a part of life and we can't and shouldn't try to block it out, however much we may want to. Not good for us personally and not good for Society in general.
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First, I'm really sorry about your uncle. Having just buried my friend who was hit and killed, I sadly know exactly how it feels.
Second, while it's possible to be more offended than most by anything, having it be relatable makes it even more offensive. There are movies I take little offense to, while they shock and disturb everyone else around me. The Exorcist is one such film. While it's possible that religious differences play into things, they all are terrified that the film could easily happen, while I laughed the entire thing off as ridiculous. The other side of that Mommie Dearest, where I'm literally the only person I know who was scared by that movie.
While there's quite a few movies where I wish they just didn't exist, to say "this film here should be censored, removed from circulation, banned, or destroyed" is a very dangerous statement. The first time you make that statement, you're going down the slippery slope of "well if A is unacceptable, then B is unacceptable too so it too must be banned".
So far, the film that came the closest to hitting that mark with me is Salo. It's a film that most if not all I've talked to on here love, they all view it as a masterpiece, and while they all find the film's content disturbing, they all totally disagree with me in how we view the film itself. I'm sure there's a film that everyone feels that way about, and it's likely a different film for everyone.
So one person, with their kingly decree, deciding which films are acceptable and which ones aren't wouldn't end well, because there's no possible way it could end well.
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Originally Posted by Watershipdownisgood
Is it crazy that I’m not really bothered by animal cruelty unless it’s cats, or dogs? I’m way more uncomfortable with rape scenes in any movie I have to skip any type of rape scene in any movie it just is awful as my mom was raped when she was a young adult true story by the way. So I cannot stand rape in any movie even if it’s important to the plot I despise it. It disgusts me, and I don’t know why movies continue to put rape scenes in films they feel completely unnecessary.
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Originally Posted by Watershipdownisgood
Even simulated rape bothers me even if it serves the interest of the plot it’s just not something I like to watch in film. Forgot to mention cruelty to rabbits too as much as I love Watership Down the film, and the book too I don’t like seeing cruel things being done to rabbits. Rabbits are freaking adorable whether they’re the domesticated ones, or the wild ones. I have a church friend that now lives in South Carolina that has a cute pet rabbit as his son is allergic to most dogs. Rabbits, dogs, and cats are awesome
I get ya though some things trigger people a lot that being rape for me as it brings back past trauma in peoples lives, and for others it’s cruelty to some animals, and for others it’s torture scenes.
Still no I’m not advocating for censorship far from it I just find rape to be one of the most despicable evil things to put in a film.
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First, I'm really sorry about your mom, WDIG. That's horrible. Give her lots of love. She's hurting every second of every day, and she needs some love. When you're in endless pain like that, it never goes away, but things as simple as love and kindness make the pain worth living through.
Second, the thing with animals is easily my biggest hard limit. You start doing stuff to animals and I'm out of your movie. I've likely passed on more films due to animal cruelty (it's at least a few hundred now) than everything else combined. I don't even see the point of it. I can't think of one animal death in any film ever where I truly thought it contributed to the story or the viewing experience.
I truly don't get what the point of it is. I can almost hear the filmmakers smugly asking "See? Isn't this a beautiful artistic statement?"
No???
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Okay, technically no, so perhaps I put it badly. But he does say:
It disgusts me, and I don’t know why movies continue to put rape scenes in films they feel completely unnecessary.
So I take it that his preference would be that we never address or feature rape in any films. The punctuation is confusing but he's not saying "when they feel completely unnecessary", he seems to be saying it always feels unnecessary, which I can't agree with. Rape is a fact of life and can't be outside the remit of art. Indeed, many people who've undergone such abuses find it cathartic to see it being addressed even if it's difficult to watch. Obviously there's a world of difference between THE ACCUSED and I SPIT ON YOUR GRAVE but again, people should be given information and allowed to make their own choices.
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I agree. There is a difference between a film with a story that may have a very dark scene (The Accused is definitely an example of a film like that) and a film that's frankly offensive for being offensive's sake (I Spit On Your Grave is an example of that).
For me, sometimes I detach from the film, and it makes it easier. I was ten when I saw I Spit On Your Grave for the first time (right up there with ACO for a film I shouldn't have been watching), and for me it wasn't too disturbing, but I also admittedly hated the first part and loved the second part. What made it not too disturbing is that one, it was a rare tape I was obsessed with finding (and still am), and two, I think it's insane that the star of the movie, Camille Keaton, was once married to Meir Zarchi, and was then married to Sidney Luft. She went from the guy involved with making I Spit On Your Grave to the guy involved with making A Star Is Born. I've never seen someone with two radically different partners like that.
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Yeah I guess I over-exaggerated a bit on that the whole rape scenes are completely unnecessary in films, but I still stand by on the fact that they’re incredibly despicable, and wicked, and evil acts as someone that gets triggered by any rape scene in film. Still no rape scenes shouldn’t be censored in film I guess I kind of went overboard on that statement whoops.
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I wouldn't go so far as to say you went overboard. You're offended. I get it. People get offended, and this is definitely something worth being offended over. Still though, if a film gets censored, where does it end?
So long as another Last Tango incident never occurs again, my philosophy is...
1. The old films already happened. Know what's in them, then either choose to watch them or choose not to.
2. New films should just be made better. They don't all have to be G-rated family films, but have good taste when you make a film dealing with content like that. A rape in film is horrible. A rape that stretches on for 40-50 minutes for no reason is just graphic and pointless.
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Yes to The Wedding March and more Lubitsch, also have to mention The Wind and The Crowd!
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I still can't figure out who if anyone has The Wedding March, The Wind, and The Crowd. It's about damn time they got done, as they're all approaching their 100th anniversary. My most wanted silent, Greed, has already passed the 100th anniversary of both its legendary first screening and its theatrical release, followed by the 101st anniversary of the screening, and now we're crawling up on the 101st of the release. I get the film needs to be completely re-scanned, re-edited, and redone from scratch, but still I'm shocked it hasn't been done by anyone in the decade I've followed the title.
2027 also brings the 100th anniversary of my favorite movie ever, Metropolis, and I wonder if there's going to be a 4K from someone. I certainly hope so, since the film's begging for a definitive 4K release. Hell, there isn't even a definitive release on DVD or Blu-ray.
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I'm shocked WAC hasn't put out more of her films. They seem like a prime candidate to do Shearer's filmography, since most if not all of her films came from MGM. In addition, they were mostly pre-Code, which GF indicated sell fairly well.
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Originally Posted by TheBigG753
I just got the "From Z to A" Blu-ray set a few weeks back, so I can totally believe this will happen lol.
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If you made the sacrifice of all time for us, and it pays off, we will all be eternally grateful to you.
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A class batch...but still waiting for Catch-22 (1970).
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I have no clue what's holding up Catch-22. It could have and should have been released by now. Either Paramount Presents, Criterion, KL, or CIN will do that one.
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The Big Heat been wanting to watch that one as Glenn Ford is great to watch
Carnal Knowledge sounds great too kind of figured this was coming after Indicator announced this for their July slate
Sadly no Flow yet somehow even though Curazon is putting out their release in June same with no Brother From Another Planet I have a feeling those two are coming at some point this year though.
Shockingly I expected a Scorsese title, and Captain Blood still no dice on either of those ones man also no Hud yet either although that only got recently announced to be coming from Janus so that’s not really that surprising.
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I've never seen The Big Heat, so this will be a first-time watch for me. Despite holding Metropolis as the best film ever made, I've shockingly seen very few of Lang's other films.
The Brother From Another Planet, Scorsese, and Captain Blood I thought were shoo-ins. Hud had a good chance too.
My predictions were really wrong.
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And now, for my predictions. It's a bit overstuffed, so we're not getting all of these. My prediction is a total of 6-8 releases. At least four are UHDs.
[Show spoiler]Fairly good chance:
-Barry Lyndon 4K (the only one I think we got)
-Eyes Wide Shut 4K and Blu-ray (skip on down a bit)
-The Assassination Of Jesse James By The Coward Robert Ford Blu-ray and 4K
-I Know Where I'm Going! Blu-ray and 4K
-High And Low 4K
-Salo 4K+remastered Blu-ray (is there a Chungking Express standalone remastered Blu?)
-Flow 4K and Blu-ray
-Captain Blood 35/24 4K and Blu-ray
-Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore 4K and Blu-ray
-Who's That Knocking At My Door 4K and Blu-ray
-The Last Temptation Of Christ 4K
-Memento 4K and Blu-ray
-Dog Day Afternoon 4K and Blu-ray
-The Wild Bunch 4K and Blu-ray
-Hairspray 4K and Blu-ray (Criterion wants to do Hairspray first before they do Desperate Living)
-Polyester 4K
-The Unbearable Lightness Of Being 4K and Blu-ray
-King Kong 33 4K and Blu-ray (17 in a row that didn't happen)
Unlikely, but I'll hold out hope:
-The French Connection 4K and Blu-ray
-Kundun 4K and Blu-ray
-The Hustler 4K and Blu-ray
-The Color Of Money 4K and Blu-ray (sense a pattern?)
-Goodfellas 4K and Blu-ray (new DV/HDR on the 4K)
-New York, New York 4K and Blu-ray
-The Killing/Killer's Kiss 4K
-Paths Of Glory 4K
-Spartacus 4K and Blu-ray
-Lolita 4K and Blu-ray
-2001: A Space Odyssey 4K and Blu-ray
-A Clockwork Orange 4K and Blu-ray
-The Shining 4K and Blu-ray
-Desperate Living Blu-ray
-Greed Blu-ray
-Doctor Zhivago 4K and Blu-ray
-Ben-Hur 4K and Blu-ray
-The Wizard Of Oz 4K and Blu-ray
-Casablanca 4K and Blu-ray
-The Maltese Falcon 4K and Blu-ray
-At Play In The Fields Of The Lord 4K and Blu-ray (21 straight that didn't happen)
Holy grail:
-The Devils 4K and Blu-ray (117 minutes...this would be a dream come true)
-The Exorcist (1973 theatrical cut, no foolishness) 4K and Blu-ray
-John Waters' films with their original soundtracks and original ARs
-Pink Floyd - The Wall 4K and Blu-ray
-Blade Runner (all cuts) 4K and Blu-ray
-Once Upon A Time In America (all surviving cuts) 4K and Blu-ray
-Twin Peaks: From Z To A 4K and Blu-ray
-A complete collection of Michael Jackson's music videos on 4K and Blu-ray (surprisingly, all previous anthology releases are incomplete) (0 for 8)
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So aside from Barry Lyndon on 4K, I was completely wrong. The 76ers finished with a better record than I did. (Perhaps send in a doctor and relieve the Nurse?)
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Prime Kubrick, Nichols, Truffaut and Lang. It’s a damn fine cup of cinematic coffee. And remember what we got for June… the July sale will be huge!
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Barry Lyndon and Carnal Knowledge are both day one for me, and probably the Trauffaut boxset during the november sale.
I am actually not too big on The Big Heat despite being a big Lang fan, will probably revisit it eventually to see if I care enough to upgrade, though.
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I think that's why they loaded June up too, since they know many people will be saving the purchases of those till the following month. With that said, Barry Lyndon, The Big Heat, plus the Antoine Donel set is still a pretty major month.
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Originally Posted by DukeTogo84
Oof. I had low expectations, but not this low. For me personally, this might be their worst July slate. Very shocked at no Flow, and not sure what's taking so long there. Was at least expecting Hud. Would have been a nice surprise if we got the Misumi Sword Trilogy, but expected at least one Kurosawa like High and Low. Either way, another month of Criterion disappointing me.
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For years, rumor had it that Criterion had the rights to Carnal Knowledge. Glad that they finally decided to release it.
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I can’t even process that. This is the most “Criterion” month in ages. This is the old-guard canon that Criterion based their entire LD collection on. Truffaut, Lang, Kubrick, Nichols. I mean, my God, this would’ve been the greatest slate of classic Criterion releases in history. I know you’re *personally* disappointed - which is fine! - but it seems just contrarian to not see that this is an absolute murderer’s row of their backbone titles. Only Grand Illusion would’ve made it more perfect in that respect.
(I’m not saying it’s the best month ever - just that, in terms of what Criterion was known for, this is kind of the apotheosis of that.)
I know we were all anticipating Flow, but I get it. They’ve shifted it from Janus Contemporaries to a full Criterion release. They’re having to assemble a whole different package (or, if they were working on a follow-up full release for the collection, maintaining their original production schedule). In either case, clearly, the extras aren’t remotely done.
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Better month for me personally than June, but I do agree that it seems like a step down rather than a step up in what is usually a bigger month.
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I think we've all become a bit spoiled by Criterion releasing A-caliber titles and long-demanded studio films. That being said, I'm one of the spoiled ones, and while I'm equally thrilled by what we did get and disappointed by what we didn't get, I still can't throw myself a pity party over this month, because Barry Lyndon and Carnal Knowledge are huge. And every time a title leaves the cavernous abyss known as Twilight Time, it's a win.
Besides, I have minimum 10 titles (15 if I can't restrain myself) this July, so if I can knock the actual July slate down to just 2 (BL and CK are obligatory Day Ones), then that too is a win.
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The Indicator will likely be encoded by FiM for what it’s worth, but unless you’re really set on certain CC exclusive extras…
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I'm double dipping. While I'm sure it won't be the case with everyone, I can imagine there'll likely be a good number of us who choose to do so.
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Barry Lyndon 4K will be released as a DigiPack.
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Oh shit...
Anyone have any three-disc Digipacks they'd like to share? Pics? Titles? Stories?
I have The Silence Of The Lambs right now, and I'm dreading future purchases in the packs.
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