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Old 12-02-2018, 04:54 PM   #761
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It's probably the greatest or second-greatest serialized show ever, after Sopranos. Maybe that's my bias against serialized TV talking but I can't really think of anything that rivals those two.
It's really not that hard - The Wire. The Wire is arguably even better than The Sopranos, and certainly much better than Game of Thrones.

I love Game of Thrones. I've watched every season and I own season 1 on UHD, and would buy all of them if they are released on UHD. But in no way is it on the same level as The Wire or The Sopranos. Not even close.
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Old 12-02-2018, 04:58 PM   #762
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It's really not that hard - The Wire. The Wire is arguably even better than The Sopranos, and certainly much better than Game of Thrones.

I love Game of Thrones. I've watched every season and I own season 1 on UHD, and would buy all of them if they are released on UHD. But in no way is it on the same level as The Wire or The Sopranos. Not even close.
I like The Wire... I own The Wire... I still wouldn't put it anywhere near those two. However as always these things are subjective.
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Old 12-02-2018, 05:01 PM   #763
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I like The Wire... I own The Wire... I still wouldn't put it anywhere near those two. However as always these things are subjective.
Fair enough. Nearly 99% of TV critics would disagree with you, however. After all, The Wire is considered the greatest show of all-time by many of them. GoT's character development, and especially its writing, have fallen off dramatically in recent seasons, and is certainly not on par with what The Wire treated us to.
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GOT is definitely not one of the best shows on TV. It's a B to C grade scripted show depending on the episode. What GOT is known for is its special effects and glaringly over-the-top sex, violence, and language. There are few Hard R fantasies made and so that makes it stand out from the crowd. That's also the draw of HBO, but also its Achilles Heel as it takes more than that to create something stellar.

As for acting and overall scripting, there are far better shows out there past and present.
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Old 12-02-2018, 05:08 PM   #765
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Fair enough. Nearly 99% of TV critics would disagree with you, however. After all, The Wire is considered the greatest show of all-time by many of them. GoT's character development, and especially its writing, have fallen off dramatically in recent seasons, and is certainly not on par with what The Wire treated us to.
This is a dangerous comment, so let me preface it by saying I like the Wire a LOT and agree with its messaging a LOT. However I do think its reputation as "BEST SHOW EVAR" is partially based on said political and social messaging striking a cord with journalists and whatnot, as tends to happen with movies around Oscar time. It is a super great show though, make no mistake.

Can't say I agree on Game of Thrones falling off. I've actually found it more interesting the last couple seasons than I did in seasons 2-4. Again though, subjective.
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Old 12-02-2018, 05:18 PM   #766
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This is a dangerous comment, so let me preface it by saying I like the Wire a LOT and agree with its messaging a LOT. However I do think its reputation as "BEST SHOW EVAR" is partially based on said political and social messaging striking a cord with journalists and whatnot, as tends to happen with movies around Oscar time. It is a super great show though, make no mistake.

Can't say I agree on Game of Thrones falling off. I've actually found it more interesting the last couple seasons than I did in seasons 2-4. Again though, subjective.
I'm a conservative and I still think this show is tied with The Sopranos as best of all-time.

Also, despite David Simon's very clear intent, the show doesn't lean only one way.

You won't find better writing and character development than this. This is high level stuff.
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Old 12-02-2018, 05:24 PM   #767
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You won't find better writing and character development than this. This is high level stuff.
I agree it has great writing and character work, but there's more to loving a show/movie than that for me. Subject matter, visual and aural presentation, etc. Shows and movies are a combination of a lot of different aspects like that. So while I'd never say Game of Thrones is better written than The Wire, not by a mile, it's overall presentation is more my thing. That's where the subjectivity comes in though, of course.

Also I remember thinking The Wire's final season was a disappointment, but to be fair I've only seen it twice and can't remember it well enough to debate that.
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I love Game of Thrones. I've watched every season and I own season 1 on UHD, and would buy all of them if they are released on UHD. But in no way is it on the same level as The Wire or The Sopranos. Not even close.
You are comparing The Wire, which independent of personal opinion, is a U.S.-centric series which received average ratings and never won a significant award, with GoT, a global phenomenon which drove record viewership to HBO, is the most pirated series of all time, and in large part the key factor in AT&Ts acquisition of Warner Media for $85B, as in billion.

I have no issue with someone stating GoT is blah blah blah and couldn't get past the first episode, but it will stand as one of the greatest achievements in serialized programming, if not the pinnacle, given the radical changes and related audience fragmentation for audiences at present and forecasted for the future.

It's OK, as we all confuse personal preference with reality from time to time. It's a thing.
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Old 12-02-2018, 05:49 PM   #769
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You are comparing The Wire, which independent of personal opinion, is a U.S.-centric series which received average ratings and never won a significant award, with GoT, a global phenomenon which drove record viewership to HBO, is the most pirated series of all time, and in large part the key factor in AT&Ts acquisition of Warner Media for $85B, as in billion.

I have no issue with someone stating GoT is blah blah blah and couldn't get past the first episode, but it will stand as one of the greatest achievements in serialized programming, if not the pinnacle, given the radical changes and related audience fragmentation for audiences at present and forecasted for the future.

It's OK, as we all confuse personal preference with reality from time to time. It's a thing.
GoT is a far easier show to digest for you and people like you, hence the ratings. You sound like a guy whose favorite movies are the Transformer films.
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GoT is a far easier show to digest for you and people like you, hence the ratings. You sound like a guy whose favorite movies are the Transformer films.
Says the guy who really, really, really likes The Wire and The Sopranos, because, they're so really, really, real, as in, on another level, real.

Ha ha ha. If you say so. All I know is the new GoT prequel is going to be budgeted at $20M.

An episode.
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Old 12-02-2018, 06:21 PM   #771
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Is there any need to resort to personal attacks? Preferences are all subjective. If you don't like the show, or don't intend to discuss the UHD, or future season UHDs, then why stay in the thread other than to incite people?
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Old 12-02-2018, 06:33 PM   #772
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Game of Thrones is the greatest television show ever...an epic 73 hour movie...it's the only TV show I ever bought on Blu-ray and will buy the 4K box-set as soon as it's released...

I haven't seen Games of Thrones yet, but I highly doubt it's any better than The X-Files, THE REAL greatest television show ever.


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It's probably the greatest or second-greatest serialized show ever, after Sopranos. Maybe that's my bias against serialized TV talking but I can't really think of anything that rivals those two.

The X-Files not only rivals any television show on or was on, but it is the greatest show ever produced.


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It's really not that hard - The Wire. The Wire is arguably even better than The Sopranos, and certainly much better than Game of Thrones.

I love Game of Thrones. I've watched every season and I own season 1 on UHD, and would buy all of them if they are released on UHD. But in no way is it on the same level as The Wire or The Sopranos. Not even close.
I've not seen the wire. How does it compare to The X-Files, which arguably the best on tv.

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You are comparing The Wire, which independent of personal opinion, is a U.S.-centric series which received average ratings and never won a significant award, with GoT, a global phenomenon which drove record viewership to HBO, is the most pirated series of all time, and in large part the key factor in AT&Ts acquisition of Warner Media for $85B, as in billion.

I have no issue with someone stating GoT is blah blah blah and couldn't get past the first episode, but it will stand as one of the greatest achievements in serialized programming, if not the pinnacle, given the radical changes and related audience fragmentation for audiences at present and forecasted for the future.

It's OK, as we all confuse personal preference with reality from time to time. It's a thing.
I've got the first season of Games of Thrones on 4K coming, but I can't still imagine it being near the quality of The X-Files. That is the greatest of all time.
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Old 12-02-2018, 06:46 PM   #773
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My ranking:

Twin Peaks The Return


The Wire
Game of Thrones
The Sopranos

All great shows and I love them all(GoT is my second fave of all time) but David Lynch’s masterwork is transcendent.

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I've not seen the wire. How does it compare to The X-Files, which arguably the best on tv.
The Wire is better than the X-Files. Do yourself a favor and watch it.

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Old 12-02-2018, 07:22 PM   #775
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As someone is is almost done with season 4 of xfiles and finished season 6 of game of thrones. Game of thrones is way better. While xfiles is good. The monster of the week episodes sometimes drag it down in quality. The show is no better then supernatural. Which they are almost the same show. If the xfiles dropped the monster of the week and wasn't around 20 episodes per season then maybe it could be ranked high. Otherwise its really no different then any other 22 episode show.
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Old 12-02-2018, 07:26 PM   #776
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Sorry, guys and gals, but Deadwood is clearly the best show of all time, with The Sopranos coming in a close second.
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Is there any need to resort to personal attacks? Preferences are all subjective. If you don't like the show, or don't intend to discuss the UHD, or future season UHDs, then why stay in the thread other than to incite people?
+1.

Everyone is different. Everyone has a different taste. Every opinion is okay. I never listen to those ''TOP 10 series'' lists (an example), since they're also written by human beings. And what do all human beings have in common? Different opinions. Hell, I'm someone who LOVES GoT, but who thinks (as a guy!) that Gilmore Girls is the best show out there. TO ME. Who cares what shows you prefer to watch?

I think we can all agree that this is the GoT thread and we should just keep talking about that, instead of trying to convince eachother which show is the best out there. People will never agree on that and it shouldn't be a problem
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For me, Breaking Bad is king!
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Old 12-02-2018, 09:19 PM   #779
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The best show of all time is entirely subjective of course, but there's no denying that Game of Thrones is one of the biggest media phenomenons of this decade, perhaps even the century rivalled by Harry Potter, The MCU, Twilight and The Walking Dead. I'd even argue Game of Thrones redefined the fantasy genre for film/TV and arguably redefined TV in general. It's raised the bar for television.

Game of Thrones has become one of the most successful and critically acclaimed TV series of all time. Yes there's shows that *may* be better, but there's very few that have reached this level of success. A prequel series is shooting a pilot next year (with four other spin-offs in development). Most of the stars have become household names. The show has made a massive cultural impact, certainly the largest out of any television show this decade. It's become a large successful media franchise all of its own; Game of Thrones merchandise is EVERYWHERE and you don't see that for just any TV show. Game of Thrones is an event.

I don't see a reason to put Game of Thrones down. It's a well written, well made, critically acclaimed and hugely successful series. The only real reason to put it down is because it's so popular and you're one of those people who likes to be edgy and put down something popular. I think, by the end of this decade, Game of Thrones will rival the MCU as the biggest media event of the decade.
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Old 12-02-2018, 09:29 PM   #780
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You might want to consider The Wire as well
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