Joker 4K UHD (2019)

[Nothing371]

Originally Posted by MosHighDef

Ya a guy dressing up as a psycho clown is realism.. not quite .

I guess that I shouldn't be surprised that there are people in here that don't understand the fictional difference between Logan and Joker. Works of fantasy-fiction exist on a spectrum. The slider on this one is almost all the way to zero. There are no supernatural elements in Joker.

[jFug]

Originally Posted by Nothing371

I really don't see how you can compare the Joker to comic book movies tbh.

My comparison was based off the fact that they are DC films. Different genres, yes, but still based off characters from the comics.

[Geoff D]

Gotta say that the regular UHD cover is lovely for this, it's so simple but so effective.

[bookcase]

I just watched my blind buy and loved it. Dark, gritty, real, and a terrific performance from Phoenix. This was such a welcome reprieve from all the "comic book" movies of late.

[willieconway]

Originally Posted by biggquis

What do you mean by "write my movies in a spreadsheet"? I won't respond to your reply as I'm not trying to argue at all. Just not sure where that comes from...

I mean his movies have zero heart and are giant plot exercises. He's a technician in search of artistic talent. Interstellar is where it's most obvious, to the point that it's laughable. How anyone can watch that movie and not chuckle most of the time is a mystery to me.

Not arguing either but Nolan's movies are not even close to being in the same league as Joker.

[dcx4610]

Originally Posted by RalphoR

Cookie cutter comic book movies are so common....but along came Joker and it gets attacked for actually being different. Great acting, great story, great directing, no cgi, no goofed up continuity, no ridiculous premise.....guess some people aren't used to it

Well, kinda. It's not super noticable but when....

[Show spoiler]he killed his former co-worker in his apartment

, the blood squirts were CG and the blood on the wall and face just looked digital and odd to me. I wish they would have more realistic there but maybe they were trying to duplicate the weird blood coloring and surrealness of the Taxi Driver shootout.

Meanwhile, when he

[Show spoiler]kills Murray at the end, I thought that was one of the most realistic and disturbing headshots

I've ever seen.

[Conan The Barbarian]

Originally Posted by dcx4610

Well, kinda. It's not super noticable but when....

[Show spoiler]he killed his former co-worker in his apartment

, the blood squirts were CG and the blood on the wall and face just looked digital and odd to me. I wish they would have more realistic there but maybe they were trying to duplicate the weird blood coloring and surrealness of the Taxi Driver shootout.

Meanwhile, when he

[Show spoiler]kills Murray at the end, I thought that was one of the most realistic and disturbing headshots

I've ever seen.

In the directors commentary, Phillips states all the blood in the movie to be CGI. Also CGI are some buildings to fillout the city backdrop.

[Nothing371]

Originally Posted by willieconway

I mean his movies have zero heart and are giant plot exercises. He's a technician in search of artistic talent. Interstellar is where it's most obvious, to the point that it's laughable. How anyone can watch that movie and not chuckle most of the time is a mystery to me.

Not arguing either but Nolan's movies are not even close to being in the same league as Joker.

Interstellar had no heart?

ROFL

[LoSouL]

Originally Posted by MosHighDef

Ya a guy dressing up as a psycho clown is realism.. not quite .

Shaking off the imposed repression of society is part of the thematic concepts at play here. Dance like nobody's watching.

It's like when a little kid's mom tells them they can't go to school with a pink mohawk, knowing it will probably cause problems, having a throughline all the way into adulthood. Wherein self-reinforcing cultural norms are absolutely suffocating some people, and that feeling of strangulation only gets more unbearable the further down the rungs of social compatibility you go.

It's cool how we can choose to either view something as stupid, or get something more out of it.

[ek79]

Originally Posted by Nothing371

I really don't see how you can compare the Joker to comic book movies tbh.

Not all comic book adaptations are heroic fantasy. Some graphic novels are 100% real life screenplays ready to be filmed.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by jFug

I think Joker belongs up there with the Dark Knight trilogy and Wonder Woman, honestly.

I understand the love for it, but at the same time it’s more of a fictional raw birthing variant of how a joker could be conceived in real life without anything supernatural. As far as the Heath Ledger Joker in Dark Night, he’s still the best that is akin to DC Universe which this film has absolutely no ties to IMHO.

[Hammerfilms]

No interest in seeing this movie.

[Cremildo]

Originally Posted by Hammerfilms

No interest in seeing this movie.

[Alister_M]

Originally Posted by ek79

Not all comic book adaptations are heroic fantasy. Some graphic novels are 100% real life screenplays ready to be filmed.

A History of Violence is a great example of that.

[cleeve]

Originally Posted by MosHighDef

Thankfully a psycho clown revolution never started. Although I can't imagine what some weirdos do closed doors.
RIP Ledger..

This jackass wasn't inspired by Joker. That was widely debunked fake news.

[RalphoR]

Originally Posted by MuffinMcFluffin

CGI is used all over the backdrops... but I get what you mean.

My only two real gripes were the incessant Wayne tie-ins, and this one particular moment where they undermined my intelligence as an audience member and edited in a little more than they had to at one point. Rest was solid, and the final act was pretty gripping. Not one of my favorites of the year, but I wouldn't hate it performing well at the Oscars.

Originally Posted by dcx4610

Well, kinda. It's not super noticable but when....

[Show spoiler]he killed his former co-worker in his apartment

, the blood squirts were CG and the blood on the wall and face just looked digital and odd to me. I wish they would have more realistic there but maybe they were trying to duplicate the weird blood coloring and surrealness of the Taxi Driver shootout.

Meanwhile, when he

[Show spoiler]kills Murray at the end, I thought that was one of the most realistic and disturbing headshots

I've ever seen.

I should have said cgi characters.

[FilmBufffff]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Gotta say that the regular UHD cover is lovely for this, it's so simple but so effective.

It really is, might be my favorite standard 4K packaging out of the over 100 4K's I own... and the matte slip is a nice touch. Can't wait to see what the '11 Academy Award Nominations' release looks like, haha!

[Ray Jackson]

Originally Posted by willieconway

I mean his movies have zero heart and are giant plot exercises. He's a technician in search of artistic talent. Interstellar is where it's most obvious, to the point that it's laughable. How anyone can watch that movie and not chuckle most of the time is a mystery to me.

Not arguing either but Nolan's movies are not even close to being in the same league as Joker.

[Show spoiler]

[TXMoviebuff77]

Originally Posted by Nothing371

I really don't see how you can compare the Joker to comic book movies tbh.


no it's not. There is nothing 'fantasy' about the Joker at all. Besides his own delusions of course . But I mean there's nothing that would put it into the 'low fantasy' genre. It's complete realism.

When did I call it fantasy and technically all movies are fantasy, mic drop

[slask]

Originally Posted by Nothing371

I really don't see how you can compare the Joker to comic book movies tbh.

It's not a genre, it's a category that includes every movie adapted from comic books. So Joker might be extremely different from Ant-Man in genre and tone, but they're both coming from the comic book world, and they both features comic book characters.
Therefore, despite the filmmakers don't want to admit it, Joker is a comic book movie after all..

Originally Posted by TXMoviebuff77

While Logan still had plenty of action scenes in, it wasn’t that typical comic book vibe, don’t pretend the Nolan Batman’s did it first, those are still very comic bookie movie. Logan used a well established & popular comic character & made it into a totally different genre as in film noir & western.

And The Dark Knight used a well established & popular comic character and made it into a totally different genre* as in crime drama & thriller.


* but as I said before comic book is not a genre nor a formula that every character or superhero must follow. Many Batman comics were already detective fiction and gangster stories...