Deadpool

[Blu-Benny]

Originally Posted by GorillaGuy

How the movie constantly makes fun of common comic book movie tropes and trying to be something it's not. But at the end it has the most basic ending ever that is just so stereotypical for the type of movie it is and it falls into those exact tropes it is making fun of.

what you just described is the very thing that makes Deadpool the character he is.

and for anyone saying "it's a generic movie, the ending is so typical".....what kind of ending do you expect a comicbook/love story/revenge story to have??

i guess they could have gone the following route....but i'm sure that would've been taken as "obvious" too.

revenge story......let's have the bad guy win.
love story...........let's not let the couple get back together.
comicbook story....let's have the main character die......except in this case he can't.....now what??

this movie was never about the story, it was about the character being 100% true to the source material.....which even including the "generic" story, worked out perfectly.

[solarrdadd]

Originally Posted by Blu-Benny

what you just described is the very thing that makes Deadpool the character he is.

and for anyone saying "it's a generic movie, the ending is so typical".....what kind of ending do you expect a comicbook/love story/revenge story to have??

i guess they could have gone the following route....but i'm sure that would've been taken as "obvious" too.

revenge story......let's have the bad guy win.
love story...........let's not let the couple get back together.
comicbook story....let's have the main character die......except in this case he can't.....now what??

this movie was never about the story, it was about the character being 100% true to the source material.....which even including the "generic" story, worked out perfectly.

Benny, I couldn't agree with you more about that statement. I love comic book movies, however, no comicbook movie, EVER, let me say it again, EVER, has been as true to the source material as this one was. this movie is a true "comic book" movie, it's fan based and driven. they got it right, they took the book and put it on the screen the way it would have been in the book. so far, no comic book movie has done that.

the irony of so much of the complaints about comic book movies is how far they strayed from the source material to make it palatable for the average joe with some sprinkles for the fans. this is 100% source materials, 100% sprinkles for the fans, never thought I see a comic book movie made in this way that would be successful nevermind as runaway train successful as this one has turned out to be.

I hope what this movie does is turn the corner for comic book movies to edge them a little closer to the philosophy that we can get these movies "closer" to the actual source material, the public at large is ready and will accept it.

[GorillaGuy]

I'll give you the fact that the character was great, sure. It's just that I don't think the movie he was in was anything above sub-par. Saying it was supposed to be bad is a horrible excuse by the way.

[Blu-Benny]

Originally Posted by GorillaGuy

I'll give you the fact that the character was great, sure. It's just that I don't think the movie he was in was anything above sub-par. Saying it was supposed to be bad is a horrible excuse by the way.

i never said it was bad.....i said it stuck to the source material.

you missed the whole point of the character/movie......and now you're trying to chalk it up to being a bad movie when you couldn't be farther from the truth.

you thought it was bad.....you're in the minority. pretty plain and simple when you look at the comments on this very forum, never mind the overall positive reaction it's gotten.

[Karmasux96]

Originally Posted by GorillaGuy

I'll give you the fact that the character was great, sure. It's just that I don't think the movie he was in was anything above sub-par. Saying it was supposed to be bad is a horrible excuse by the way.

That's not exactly what he was saying.

The thing is with Deadpool, he doesn't have a strong arc in the comics to pull from. Not in the vein of "The Last Hunt", "Civil War", "The Winter Soldier", "Hush", "The Dark Knight Returns", etc... He inherently has never been about story. His comics have always been about humor and lampooning the world he exists in, which is exactly what the movie did.

Basically, story here is an uphill battle, unfortunately. Not to justify it, but it's kind of the nature of the source material.

As for those complaining about the typical ending, it's been documented that part of the reason that scene played out the way it did was due to budget cuts. I still enjoyed it but only slightly less than the other 2/3 of the movie. It may have been overall familiar but they still added plenty of Deadpool flair.

[GorillaGuy]

Originally Posted by Blu-Benny

i never said it was bad.....i said it stuck to the source material.

you missed the whole point of the character/movie......and now you're trying to chalk it up to being a bad movie when you couldn't be farther from the truth.

you thought it was bad.....you're in the minority. pretty plain and simple when you look at the comments on this very forum, never mind the overall positive reaction it's gotten.

I know I'm in the minority. The film did not work for me. It was an amateur effort with nothing special (asides from the titular character). The ending isn't even my only issue with the film. I didn't like the non-linear storytelling, which made the first 45 minutes seem like double that amount of time and also made for an almost non-existent second act. Morena Baccarin's character was also beyond awful and her only character trait was "being hot". Just because the character is supposed to be self-aware (in a bad movie) may work well in the comics but it didn't translate well from page to screen. Saying "that's how deadpool is supposed to be" makes no difference to me. I'm not judging the character, I'm judging the film.

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by GorillaGuy

I'll give you the fact that the character was great, sure. It's just that I don't think the movie he was in was anything above sub-par. Saying it was supposed to be bad is a horrible excuse by the way.

As others have said source material. It stuck to it perfectly. I've yet to see you or anyone else articulate what exactly would have made it better, or how as benny put it you change what is typical of all Love/Revenge/Comicbook endings...

Every criticism you can levy against the film has a plausible reason, from budgeting on scale of the movie, to the underwhelming villain who was never meant to outshine the star, etc.

I mean honestly its fine if in your gut you just wanted more, but when you can't actually put anything into coherent points aside from ramblings on obscure "it just felt off", then the criticism just ends up looking silly lol.

In the end its all opinions good and bad.

[MrBlonde]

The ending isn't bad because of the story, story is the least important thing to me, I really couldn't care less. It's bad because it's a bland setpiece, a bland showdown against the bland villain to save the bland love interest.

I've said it before, but the jokes become an issue when it falls into the same traps as the rest of the genre. All the jokes are doing is pointing out how lazy the film is.

[GorillaGuy]

I've now learned that a discussion thread is only supposed to be positive discussion and anything negative is discarded instantly. [emoji6]

[Karmasux96]

Originally Posted by GorillaGuy

I know I'm in the minority. The film did not work for me. It was an amateur effort with nothing special (asides from the titular character). The ending isn't even my only issue with the film. I didn't like the non-linear storytelling, which made the first 45 minutes seem like double that amount of time and also made for an almost non-existent second act. Morena Baccarin's character was also beyond awful and her only character trait was "being hot". Just because the character is supposed to be self-aware (in a bad movie) may work well in the comics but it didn't translate well from page to screen. Saying "that's how deadpool is supposed to be" makes no difference to me. I'm not judging the character, I'm judging the film.

That's totally fair to judge it based solely on the film, but I would argue "amateur" is not a fair adjective. Direction was very good. Action scenes were actually fluid, and there were few (if any) over-edits/quick cuts. Writing shows an essential understanding of character, which is very important. Maybe the rest of the movie didn't measure up for you, but I don't think it's an amateur effort even in that respect.

[GorillaGuy]

Originally Posted by Karmasux96

That's totally fair to judge it based solely on the film, but I would argue "amateur" is not a fair adjective. Direction was very good. Action scenes were actually fluid, and there were few (if any) over-edits/quick cuts. Writing shows an essential understanding of character, which is very important. Maybe the rest of the movie didn't measure up for you, but I don't think it's an amateur effort even in that respect.

Just because there were no quick cuts doesn't mean the action was good. Like MrBlonde said, one of the two biggest setpieces of the film was incredibly bland. Bland filmmaking = bad filmmaking imo.

[Blu-Benny]

Originally Posted by GorillaGuy

I've now learned that a discussion thread is only supposed to be positive discussion and anything negative is discarded instantly. [emoji6]

except you've offered criticisms w/o explaining what you would've changed.

i've explained why the movie works for those who liked it (sticking to source material, main character portrayed 100% accurately, etc).

"it was bland and the story was generic" is all you've offered this "discussion."

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by MrBlonde

The ending isn't bad because of the story, story is the least important thing to me, I really couldn't care less. It's bad because it's a bland setpiece, a bland showdown against the bland villain to save the bland love interest.

I've said it before, but the jokes become an issue when it falls into the same traps as the rest of the genre. All the jokes are doing is pointing out how lazy the film is.

Again.... 58 million you can't really have massive set pieces, and deadpool is notorious for just hanging out in a sh!tty apartment and doing his own thing, he's a low profile small scale hero. He isn't Iron Man or Batman rolling around in Lambo's with custom tech in a huge cave/house.

[GorillaGuy]

Originally Posted by Blu-Benny

except you've offered criticisms w/o explaining what you would've changed.

i've explained why the movie works for those who liked it (sticking to source material, main character portrayed 100% accurately, etc).

"it was bland and the story was generic" is all you've offered this "discussion."

I have no interest about what I would have changed. That's not my decision to make. I could care less about me changing the film.

[Karmasux96]

Originally Posted by MrBlonde

The ending isn't bad because of the story, story is the least important thing to me, I really couldn't care less. It's bad because it's a bland setpiece, a bland showdown against the bland villain to save the bland love interest.

I've said it before, but the jokes become an issue when it falls into the same traps as the rest of the genre. All the jokes are doing is pointing out how lazy the film is.

Originally Posted by GorillaGuy

I've now learned that a discussion thread is only supposed to be positive discussion and anything negative is discarded instantly. [emoji6]

Only when you essentially have nothing constructive to say other than "It was bad. And it was bad because it was bad and I don't like it because it was bad." In reference to your recent post, I would agree that bland filmmaking can equal bad filmmaking but I thought the film was anything but bland. That's just my opinion, though. I'm not sure how you could argue the first setpiece is bad action.

How do you guys feel about Iron Man 1? That's the epitome of a bland setpiece.

[GorillaGuy]

Yeah you guys are right. In all my posts all I said was "it was bad" over and over and over and over.

[Karmasux96]

Originally Posted by GorillaGuy

Yeah you guys are right. In all my posts all I said was "it was bad" over and over and over and over.

You're deflecting. Just have a conversation. Not sure why that's so hard.

You came into the thread for a well-liked movie to express disdain for the movie and now you're shocked you're meeting with resistance (mild, accepting resistance when it comes to the internet). Just articulate.

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by GorillaGuy

I have no interest about what I would have changed. That's not my decision to make. I could care less about me changing the film.

Nobodies saying change a film, but you just go bland bland bland but offer little ideas on how you'd implement what is very much SOURCE MATERIAL lol

You see this is the problem you're mad at something that is replicating what the character is.

You want him driving a Lambo in his free time designing custom guns in his mansion, while he is utterly crushed saving Emma Stone as she falls off the carrier, as the silver surfer and galactus kill her? ... Might make for a better movie. Doesn't do much to represent what the character is.

The reason it hit a home run at the box office is because what made the character so appealing is on screen. As I said its fine, I'm not working to change your opinion nor do I really care lol, just trying to help you be less confused about what you were actually watching lol

[Blu-Benny]

Originally Posted by GorillaGuy

Yeah you guys are right. In all my posts all I said was "it was bad" over and over and over and over.

well you also added it was "bland" and the female lead was "awful" and served no other purpose other than "being hot."

never mind the fact that she's the driving force behind everything Wade Wilson goes through to ultimately become the Deadpool character.



but yeah, it was "bland and boring and the humor didn't work"......for you.

[GorillaGuy]

Originally Posted by Blu-Benny

well you also added it was "bland" and the female lead was "awful" and served no other purpose other than "being hot."

I said her only character trait was being hot. There is literally nothing to her character other than that. Which is why I didn't care for their relationship and I felt that her being the driving force for the finale was weak.

Alright this is my last post. There is no problem with the character. The movie that surrounds the character is bland. That is why I didn't like it. I made several posts explaining throughly why I didn't like it, but that's not enough I guess. I don't want to get suspended for this, so goodbye.